#the squidverse

[squidwithamelon]

I think that without outside forces, Nightmare and Dream would be stuck in a never-ending loop. No matter how calm Nightmare gets or how mature Dream becomes they will be stuck doing the same thing over and over. Even with outside forces they're still at a grid-lock.

Both of them are aware of this but are at a lost to what to do. As concepts negativity and positivity always balance out in the end.

But as people? They're getting fed up.

I do like to separate Nightmare and Dream into those two categories! Because they are concepts! They are the embodiment of negativity and positivity.

They don't represent it! They are it.

But at the same time they're also people. They're the guardians made to watch over their mother. And I feel like both of them struggle with that. Nightmare purposely dehumanizes (demonsterizing??) himself to appear more threatening, more powerful! More in control than he really is! But also as an excuse. There's no reason to try and process what he went through in a healthy manner because he can't! (Which is a lie.)

Dream has other people dehumanize him, always asking for help, always expecting help and guidance. Never quite realizing that Dream is a person and not just this benevolent entity who's sole existence is to help.

It's taxing.

[squidwithamelon]

Do we think that the people of thr utmv don't refer to nightmares as nightmares but as bad dreams because they don't want to speak of Nightmare’s name in a speak of the devil type of way?

If so boy.

Even 500 years later he's still in his brother's shadow. A bad dream? He isn't even like dream! Y'know?

Same logic with Error too me thinks.

Instead of it crashing bc of an error

It crashed bc of a bug

Or there's a bug in the system.

A 404 could be used as a general term bc of how widely known it is

[squidwithamelon]

How does justice even work in the multiverse? Say Error got caught or something, what now? Do they kill him? Is there a trial and jury? And who gets to decide that? Is the jury all sans? I feel like the undynes, toriels wouldn't be happy about that.

Who even would be an unbias jury in this case? A closed off au that never heard of Error? Where would they hold him. I dont think a typical jail would work.

Would they have a prison so big that it's its own au?

[squidwithamelon]

In my headcanon the utmv speaks mainly like. . . English Spanish and Japanese with Arabic and Korean as like more minor but still big languages.

I think there's probably an infinite number of languages that is spoken but there's probably common languages to communicate in.

There's probably a universal translator developed at some point but. . The Omega timeline itself speaks a lot of languages, has a lot of folks from all over of course.

Nightmare and Dream's native languages are Spanish with them later learning English and Dream later learning Japanese.

Dust speaks Korean later (more being forced to) learn English

Killer went through the same thing but with Arabic as his og language.

They catch onto some Spanish through Nightmare as well.

The concept of a Sans taking on the ethnicity of their creator is very fun even if I don't do much with it myself I like seeing others do stuff with it y'know.

[squidwithamelon]

While I think over time Nightmare def strays away from his sans-like form I don't think he ever departs from it truly, some aspects of his form are always gonna remain skeletal in some way.

I think like.

Nm has a hard time with identity. He never really had a chance to discover who he was. All he knows is what he's suppose to be.

He's the embodiment of negativity.

A concept can't be anything else but a concept.

Negativity can't be happiness. If it was then it'd be happiness not negativity if that makes sense.

This goes back to the dehumanization that his role brings upon Nightmare and the dehumanization that Dream's role brings upon Dream.

Nightmare doesn't know who he is.

He knows what he wants to be.

A king! A emperor! Someone of high-class! High society, respected and feared!

But that's not who he is.

That's never going to be his duty first and foremost.

He can't even have a duty. He just is. His 'job' is being negativity.

At least that's what he thinks, deep down.

Dream obviously finds an identity outside of his role, outside of what he is.

But Nightmare?

[squidwithamelon]

I mighta talked about this before but I always thought that even if Nightmare didn't eat the apples and survived somehow he still would be an asshole and generally not a good person.

Nightmare is the way he is primarily because of what he went through, not because of the apples. And yes the apples did intensify his feelings greatly, but it had something to intensify, it just used the anger, the grief, the unjust feelings present within Nightmare already. (I always go with corrupted and uncorrupted Nm as being the same person)

Nightmare tries to make it seem like Nightmare the person and Nightmare the embodiment of negativity are two completely different things but!!

They're not! Nightmare's actions will always be dictated by what he went through and what he feels and his very miserable attempts at coping and grasping those emotions.

Even if he tries to dehumanize himself he can't.

[squidwithamelon]

Keep in mind this is an in-multiverse idea. I don't support ai 'art' or 'writing'.

With that in mind. I think the concept of ai-generated universes could be interesting. A universe that just pops into existence one day, no purpose, no point. Existing just to exist. A universe with life but no soul.

They'd be rare. Ink protects universes from outcodes due to wanting to protect the creator's intent and story from outside influences. But there is no intent with an ai-verse. There is no creator. If it has a story, Ink can't tell if outcodes are suppose to interfere or not. There is no subtlety. There is empty meaning behind every word or creation.

It'd be like protecting a gutted computer, there's nothing of substance, just surface-level 'art'.

Error gets to them. Ink never tries to stop him.

[squidwithamelon]

The omega-Timeline is a fortress because it's the unofficial hub of the multiverse. The density of cultures and ideas makes it the scientific capital with research labs as big as skyscrapers littering the land. The culture is expansive, thousands of aus, histories all merged in one area.

It's it's own entity in the multiverse, it makes dealings with other universes, has outposts in universes, so on. It's probably run by elections, democracy. It use to be run by Core, Dream and Ink but. . Relationships change and priorities change.

The Omega-timeline believes every universe should be in the best shape it can be in. That's resulted in it helping universes with 'bad' stories to say. Investing and restarting the Core in Horrortale, as an example.

That's why Ink left. Dark stories are still stories worth telling, helping them, interfering, that's not right.

Nightmare does his best to disrupt this growing power of the omega-timeline, same with Error.

Even within the timeline itself there are multiple fractions of disagreement.

Of course there's other entities.

Like the 'Science Team' (WIP), group of Gasters, Alphys, Sans who, while sometimes partnering with the Omega-timeline, are their own group conducting research (The base is in, as you guessed, an earlier Undertale universe (as in the timeline))

Def more entities out there. (Nightmare eventually has his empire)

Any ideas/suggestions for what some could be? (I like hearing other people's multiverse takes)