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thefeatherofhope said: i must be alone in the takeaway that dany was saying to sansa that dragons, the largest predators in westeros at that time, aren’t fed when they’re free. they feed themselves, just like ghost and summer and nymeria do. i still don’t see either sansa or dany as hateful in this exchange, just a bit snarky as both are feeling out one another.

Yeah, for me at least I didn’t think that there was a lot of ambiguity here given the context of the situation. The scenes that come both before and after, where Dany arrives in Winterfell with a lack of welcome that she is not only put off by, but that she is clearly surprised by, in addition to the fact that immediately after the meeting she’s like “if Sansa can’t respect me” (a clear implied threat that is never clarified further), seem to point out that Dany is hostile and seems to explain why. 

I like seeing this POV breakdown as well, because while Dany does actually have a point in terms of the fact that she is bringing her entire force to the North to “help Jon” she’s still always been very bad at understanding the POV of other people who don’t agree with her or don’t see her as she sees herself, and on the occasions that she’s pretty much forced to reflect on those opinions she usually reacts with forceful hostility in return. Sansa’s not being hateful, she’s being logical and getting a read on Dany’s leadership skills and insights by taking note of the fact that this isn’t something that Dany has considered, which she’s then getting a read on further because Dany does react with something snarky and pretty overtly threatening (since this is literally the first time they’ve even met and Daenerys has the power of the biggest army the world has ever seen and two full grown dragons in Winterfell) instead of actually addressing the problem in any meaningful sense.

 Saying that the dragons will eat “whatever they want” is a clear subtextual indication to all of the Northeners that both the literal dragons and Daenerys are here to take whatever they want. And while the Northmen obviously aren’t aware of this, Daenerys knows and we all know that the dragons will quite literally eat whatever they want, including innocent children, so for Dany to be so flippant about actually managing her dragons when they’re in a place that has barely any food to sustain them is one of the more blatant indications that shit is about to hit the fan when it comes to her invasion and leadership. 

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@thefeatherofhope replied to your post “10 favourite characters”

These are all sooo good! And many of my own favorites too. I really like your Sandor edit btw.

Thanks! “Great minds think alike” and all that... 😁

But alas, I can’t for sure take credit for that Sandor edit! It is an image I had stored in my files for years and years - below is the whole image. I did a reverse image search but it doesn't seem to get recognised - so my humble apologies for whoever is the original creator, I am sorry, I didn't mean to leave out the source reference but I simply can't find it! I am not even sure if this is original HBO material before the series started or a fanwork?

In any case, I find it a wonderful depiction of book Sandor and hence I used it...

If anyone knows the source, please do let me know.

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Your anon is referring to Emilia's appearance on Stephen Colbert, which was like six weeks before Kit entered the wellness program. And she wasn't making fun of his drinking, she was making fun of him for complaining about the work when his day ended at 2 pm and she was passing out on set in Malta because of the heat and long hours. It's definitely not the same as Sophie specifically calling out his drinking habits a month after he left treatment.

Ah okay I see. But from what you said it doesn’t sound like she makes fun of or even mentions his drinking? And that complaint is totally valid given how hard we know they worked her. Honestly these two instances are completely unrelated and are in fact, opposites.

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The wealth of House Clegane

@thefeatherofhope had a question about the wealth of House Clegane and particularly Sandor’s access to it. So, let me see if I can clear this up at all...

The founder of House Clegane, the Casterly Rock kennelmaster who saved Tytos Lannister from a lioness (at the expense of his leg and three dogs), was granted knighthood, “lands and a towerhouse”. (Southeast of Lannisport, per GRRM.) A towerhouse is not a particularly big castle -- you can see one example of an ASOIAF towerhouse here, and this site has some great photos and plans of towerhouses especially in its Scotland section.

Notably, the Clegane towerhouse (called Clegane’s Keep, semi-canonically), has a village below it, prosperous enough to have skilled laborers such as woodcarvers. It’s unknown if there’s any other villages on the Clegane lands, nor the exact size of their lands. Southeast of Lannisport is a hilly area, per the maps, and not very far from the known silver mines at Silverhill, but it’s unknown if there’s any mines (silver or gold) within the Clegane lands. But the Westerlands are generally fertile (if not as abundant as the Reach), and the Keep’s location not far from a major city should lead to moderately wealthy estates and incomes. Definitely not great lord level or even great landed knight level, but more likely to be similar to House Webber than House Osgrey (see The Sworn Sword), even if they have a Standfast-sized castle. (I also headcanon that one source of income for House Clegane was the breeding of hunting hounds, which has fallen off a bit since Gregor became the master of the house, but you can take or leave that as you like.)

At any rate, House Clegane was likely wealthy enough from the start to afford the services of a maester (the Citadel requires payment), which the first Ser Clegane would have certainly needed as he was no doubt illiterate. (The second Ser Clegane, Sandor and Gregor’s father, may or may not have been literate, as he was taken as a Tytos’s squire probably around the age of 12, but I doubt he had much more than necessary literacy.) We definitely know they had a maester during Sandor’s childhood, and almost certainly Gregor had one on staff to help prepare the milk of the poppy that he drinks “as lesser men quaff ale” for his headaches.

Regarding tourneys -- the prize for the winner of the joust at the Hand’s Tourney was forty thousand gold dragons. At the time Sandor was captured by the Brotherhood, he had only 9000 gold dragons. While it’s technically possible that Sandor might have spent 30K in a year (Anguy managed to piss away his archery prize of 10K in a few months, spending it on fancy food and fancy girls at Chataya’s), that’s still a lot of money. @racefortheironthrone estimates a gold dragon as equal to today’s $1000, and what in the hell a man like Sandor could spend $3 million on, I don’t even know. (Like, even if he did go to Chataya's a few times, he certainly wasn't bathing in Arbor wine like Anguy did.) I headcanon that Sandor spent some of the money on buying Stranger, but it’s also possible he didn’t take all of whatever he had left with him when he left King’s Landing, as gold is really heavy. (40K dragons could weigh about 800 pounds; heck, 9000 dragons weighs 180 pounds. Sigh, GRRM cannot math.) I very much doubt Sandor is the sort to work with banks at all (though I know some people have headcanoned it: note that besides the Iron Bank of Braavos, there may be the Bank of Oldtown, if it still exists), but it’s possible he buried it somewhere secret. Though if he did, it wasn’t anywhere he had any chance of accessing once he was in the Riverlands.

As for Sandor’s access to House Clegane’s incomes now that Gregor is dead (more or less)... well, there’s a number of problems before we even get to that part. Number one, Ned (as Hand of the King) attainted Gregor for his crimes in the Riverlands. Attainder takes away someone’s lands and titles, and often their right to pass them onto their heirs. However, Littlefinger tells Ned that Sandor will inherit and Ned doesn’t dispute that, so that part doesn’t seem to apply. However however, Ned’s decree was most definitely reversed by Tywin after he was executed, so in fact that attainder is not relevant after all. (But mentioned in case anyone was wondering.) Second problem: when Sandor became a Kingsguard, he gave up all inheritance rights. (He swore no knight’s vows, but he never says he won’t swear the Kingsguard oaths.) However, he abandoned his post, and while there’s nothing exactly that says what happens when a KG does that, it’s definitely not “oh you get your lands back and everything’s fine again”. If it’s like the Night’s Watch, who Visenya modeled the KG vows on, what happens when you abandon your post is execution. (See also what happened to the KG Lucamore Strong when he broke his vows of celibacy.) Either way, what Sandor is now is an outlaw. (For his desertion, and for the Sack of Saltpans, which he didn’t actually do but is believed by the crown to have done, so it counts, alas.) Outlaws are, per their name, outside the law, which includes the laws of inheritance. Legally, if Sandor were to try to claim the Clegane lands right now, he absolutely could not. (Also, from whom? Cersei, the Lady of the Westerlands? (lol omg.) Cersei’s castellan Damion Lannister in Casterly Rock? It gets very difficult.)

So. As Gregor is legally dead, and has no legal heirs, the Clegane lands have reverted to Casterly Rock. If Sandor were to show himself alive, and IF he were somehow to be pardoned for his actual crimes and the nominal ones (how is a very good question, by some grateful king or queen perhaps for services rendered), and if the whole Kingsguard thing was made invalid (again, some royal declaring all of Joffrey’s decrees illegitimate since he was)... then, yes, Sandor might be able to claim House Clegane’s lands and incomes. (And the title too, see this post for details.) But there’s a bunch of great big ifs in there. Really really huge ones. Until they’re straightened out, if they ever are, Sandor’s got whatever’s in his pockets (zilch) and maybe whatever remains of his tourney winnings if he buried them anywhere or otherwise saved them somehow. (Note he gave away the Brotherhood’s IOU, as if they’d ever pay it back, as if especially Stoneheart’s version would.) You’ve got wiggle room with headcanons and hopeful futurefics (and author fiat in fic in general), but in practice? Sandor’s got nothin’.

Hope that helps!

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thefeatherofhope replied to your post “Petyr Baelish is a feminized character. Which is to say, he embodies...”

I believe Lysa raped Petyr. As a SA survivor, I recognized his detachment from his own sexual desires, and only allowing himself to feel w/Cat and Sansa. That's why he tells himself that he was actually with Catelyn; he turned a nonconsensual act into one that he would consent to, because it's the only way he can cope with it a hyper masculine society. It's interesting that GRRM has given him the emotional aftermath and coping mechanisms associated with female survivors.

thefeatherofhope replied to your post:

“Petyr Baelish is a feminized character. Which is to say, he embodies...”:

He and Cersei have this in common, but Petyr doesn't exhibit the side effects that are unique to male survivors.

These are really good points.