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so the first seneca play i'm reading is troades and we're already at "putting the book down to do a distraught lap around the room before reading on" levels of pain

specifically andromache saying goodbye to astyanax as he's about to be hauled off and killed:

"Yes, you are small to die, but already one to be feared. Your Troy awaits you: go in freedom, go to see free Trojans."

#HE'LL GO SEE FREE TROJANS IN DEATH BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE LEFT ALIVE #(that andromache knows of)#and then she kisses him and tells him to deliver those kisses to hector later on #AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGHHUHGHHHH!!!!#like i always have a big emotional response to the euripides play too but at least that one's become familiar to me #now i get to see the whole thing fresh again. lying on the ground while seneca jr kicks me over and over and over #first impressions tag #troades

i feel like andromache doesnt get enough credit for trying to solo a bunch of soldiers to save her son in seneca troades "ANDROMACHE [668] Such sacrilege, truly, the Greeks had left undared. Temples you have profaned, even of your favouring gods; but our tombs your mad rage had spared. I will resist, will oppose my unarmed hands against you, armed; passion will give strength. Like the fierce Amazon who scattered the Argive squadrons, or like some god-smit Maenad who, armed with the thyrsus only, with frenzied march frightens the forest glades and, beside herself, has given wounds, nor felt them, so will I rush against you and fall in the tomb’s defence, an ally of its dust.

ULYSSES [678] [To his men.] Do you hold back, and does a woman’s tearful outcry and futile rage move you? My orders – be quick and do them."

i mean it doesnt work but game respects game, she even tries to outwit odysseus but... i mean its odysseus. he is the wit man

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These are the two stories I wrote for Yuletide: "Mothers of the Brazen Spear" - the title being a quote from Euripides' play "The Trojan Women", on which it is based - and "Courting the Chamberlain", which is both fanfiction based on the novel "Sieben Jahre" by Tanja Kinkel and 18th century RPF.

"Mothers of the Brazen Spear": my recipient had asked something Andromache-centric which lets her interact with the women she doesn't interact with in the play, Polyxena and Cassandra. (They all interact with Hecuba, of course, which is why Hecuba doesn't show up in my story.) I added Helen, and tried for something that does the heartrendering tone of the play justice but also offers at least a bit of hope for Andromache.

"Courting the Chamberlain": Caroline Fredersdorf, nee Daum, shows up only in a few intriguing scenes in the novel "Sieben Jahre", but enough to demonstrate that unlike all the other women married to gay men in this book, she actually has a great relationship with her husband - who is Frederick the Great's lover - , and from what I could see in research beyond the novel, this seems to have been the case in real life as well. How the marriage came to be was both fun and challenging to write and is basically my take on a Regency tale in a Frederician context.

Lead on, Ulysses, I hold not back, I follow my master; but me my fates shall follow: upon the deep no calm peace shall come; the sea shall rage with the winds and engulf thy comrades; and thee, e’en when safe home again, shall wars and fires, my own and Priam’s evil fortunes, o’erwhelm.

Hecuba, upon learning she has been given as a slave to Odysseus. Seneca's Troades, lines 993 to 996.

#hecuba #hecabe #troades #trojan women #seneca #odysseus #ulysses #tagamemnon #trojan war #shout out to that post from ages ago saying smth like odysseus having to go thru the stuff he put the trojan women thru (e.g. with calypso)#seneca's troades hits different especially w helen being given the task of tricking polyxena into the sacrifice #but she js can't do it </3 #the trojan women

June 2021

thesis session; working on Euripides’ Troades

From Seneca’s Troades

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The Sorrows of Hecuba

Seneca, Troades, ll. 28-40 I call to witness the will of the gods ever my foe, My homeland’s ashes, and you, ruler of the Phrygians, Whom Troy has buried with your whole kingdom for a tomb; I call on your shade, my son – while you stood, so did Troy; And on you, my great herds of offspring, Lesser ghosts: Whatever woe has befallen- Whatever evils Phoebus’ mad priestess proclaimed With frenzied lips – the god forbade her be believed – I, Hecuba, saw them first While pregnant, nor did I keep my fears silent – I prophesied in vain before Cassandra. It was not the careful man of Ithaca, Nor his night-companion, nor deceitful Sinon Who strewed flames among you: That fire is mine, you blaze with my own torches! Testor deorum numen adversum mihi, patriaeque cineres teque rectorem Phrygum quem Troia toto conditum regno tegit, tuosque manes quo stetit stante Ilium, et vos meorum liberum magni greges, umbrae minores: quicquid adversi accidit, quaecumque Phoebas ore lymphato furens credi deo vetante praedixit mala, prior Hecuba vidi gravida nec tacui metus et vana vates ante Cassandram fui. non cautus ignes Ithacus aut Ithaci comes nocturnus in vos sparsit aut fallax Sinon: meus ignis iste est, facibus ardetis meis.

Hecuba and Polyxena, Merry-Joseph Blondel, after 1814

He who does not prevent a crime, when he can, encourages it.

Seneca, Troades

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