#undyne analysis

[simonsoys]

This might be a stupid question, but if undyne taught papyrus how to cook and she burns down the house every time she cooks or at least implied to, why doesn’t papyrus?

I'm guessing you're referring to this:

I'd say that she doesn't burn the house down EVERY time, just that she's set it on fire before. Maybe it wasn't even while cooking last time, lol

This time she got carried away with enthusiasm and passion because you were a special guest! Normally just parts of the kitchen wall get burned, not the whole establishment.

But a little fire is a part of the process. Professional chefs do it all the time on TV!

The key to a good spaghetti is to flambé the noodles while they're fresh (uncooked). It ~*~*unlocks the flavor*~*~!

Papyrus works with fire in his trap and puzzle making, so he doesn't have issues in his kitchen when it comes to fire safety. My man is a professional.

[bogos-bint3d]

Fandom will see a strong experienced woman and go "ermmmm, actually I don't think she's experienced actually, really she's actually just faking it because she's stupid and wants to look cooler." Fandom will see a character with a literal disability (literally blind in one eye) and say "ummm actually she's not actually. She's faking this disability. This woman who is the frontline defence for her entire species is intentionally displaying herself in a way that causes her several disadvantages in a battle. And like. Every day life probably as well. Because why would I take her seriously."

I could go on about this but I won't because I should probably go to bed soon.

Listen. Can you just actually take characters seriously rather than going haha no she's just silly she's just pretending no she's just faking loll. And just say hey maybe we can take certain aspects of this character more seriously. Please. At least for me. Guys. For me <3

[thecluelessdoctor]

undyne analysis

undyne is a favorite character of mine, I think that's well known. But there isn't... Alot to her outside of her relationship with alphys. And I get why, at first glance she does have the reset aware depth other characters such if flowey, the skeleton bros, and asgore have.

I mean I've gone through ... So much of her canon stuff in game. And at first glance, she seems unaware

...but after looking closer... Shes the most like the player compared to flowey.

determination kept her from dying.

She was so determined she turned herself into a almagmate. her soul could be pure determination, just her body holds her back

In genocide, her fight isn't you against her like it usually is. It's HER against YOU. You are the villain of this story. She is the hero.

And that makes her like the player. The player naturally desires to be the hero, to be the main character in a story.

Her determination also plays into this

Her determination kept her alive

Her determination... Did what you do every time you die. Every time you reset

But because she is a monster, her body melted and broke from it. She cant hold that power, despite possessing it.

I think her lack of depth was a purposeful choice.In genocide she is a parallel to Frisk

Frisk is a blank slate. Made to be controlled. Undyne lacks depth because she's the hero. Like frisk, she seemingly was made to be projected on for the player. But she doesn't HAVE a player, obviously. But she is still the hero.

Idk, little thoughts..

[drundertalescum]

“I don't know if I can ever let Papyrus into the Royal Guard.”

So, I’ve always seen Undyne’s unwillingness to allow Papyrus into the Royal Guard a bit differently than I think the usual consensuses are. While it seems to be taken as a way of showing Papyrus is cinnamon roll too precious too pure innocent bean so oblivious protect him, I always felt like it was more... the opposite?

I could (and almost did, a few times) go into a larger rant about this, but I think if you play UT without knowing anything about it, vs knowing a little about it, Undyne and Papyrus are both meant to be seen a bit negatively until various turning points. Papyrus is probably meant to be seen as stupid and inept and weak, all things that he is not, and through his fight, his date, his friendship and calls, and eventually Undyne’s confession, the fact that he is not all of that is revealed. He’s not in the Royal Guard because he’s too nice. Not because he’s weak. Not because he’s stupid. Not because he’s inept.

(but if you go in already knowing Papyrus is (and monsters as a whole are) nice/sweet/cinnamon roll, I think it has the opposite effect of making him seem weak because he is nice. I don’t think that’s the message at all the scene is meant to convey.)

That moment is supposed to be a final affirmation of who Papyrus is as a character, a nice guy who isn’t the right fit for his dreams because of his morals and good character, not because of his (supposed lack of) abilities. This moment is also the start of softening and revealing Undyne’s character, showing the level of care and concern she has for the people around her, which, to this point on a pacifist run, you likely would not have seen.

So basically, what I’m saying is, I don’t think this was meant to be a sign that Pap needs to be coddled and infantilized, but a sign that he doesn’t need to be. He’s tough, he’s competent, but he’s just not a solider. 

But there’s more to it than just that...

While Undyne cites the fear that Papyrus would just let himself be killed as a motive for why she doesn’t want to let someone so nice into the Guard, I feel like this was also an early hint at the nature of LOVE. LOVE changes souls and causes them to harden and change, and it’s effects on a human are strong enough to be noticable, but it seems likely that monsters, who are more in-tune with their souls, would react even more to gaining LV. Wanting to protect Papyrus and his innocence and niceness likely goes beyond just a worry that he would allow himself to be killed if placed in that position. 

Because if it’s kill or be killed, and Papyrus did kill (because Undyne trained him seriously as a solider, instead of just cooking lessons and roughhousing), he would gain LV and probably lose the part of his personality that Undyne admires. That nice, innocent, friendly part of Papyrus’s soul, would be chipped away, and Undyne perceives that that would be her fault for placing him in that position. 

So I think it’s a lot more than just Papyrus being seen as too stupid to protect himself. I think Undyne’s considered both options, but the other doesn’t come up because you aren’t meant to know the nature of LOVE at this point, and because she’s not going to go into the minutia of her hard-thought decision to an eight year old.

[bogos-bint3d]

Idk... I make posts about Undyne a lot . but you know? I've just been thinking about it. Thinking about all this real hard. Thinking about the woman who would do anything to protect others. The woman who is tough and loves to fight, but kind and loves to create music on the piano. The woman who faced a being intent on the destruction of everything, and managed to win the fight over countless different timelines. Yet also the woman who likes to eat warm ice cream. The woman whose will to live was do incredibly powerful, regardless of the circumstances, she will be able to surpass death. Whose levels of determination are completely unseen of and what should quite honestly be naturally impossible for any other monster we know to have ever existed. The woman whose name originates from a story that inspired the most iconic mermaid story of all time and though in the original Ondine myth she would literally die without a man we now know her as a lesbian warrior icon. The woman who felt the souls of everyone in the world. The woman who may seem cold yet cares so incredibly deeply for those close to her and will do anything to protect them, will suffer crushing pain at losing them. The woman who refused to let the world die and transformed herself into an incredibly powerful being with heart covered armour and her once gone eye now shining out as a spear itself.

[bogos-bint3d]

Ok so there was a post asking about opinions on Undyne and her actions because OP needed it for science and I added a bunch of stuff in the tags but then I was like "oh wait if I write this in the tags nobody's gonna see this and she means basically everything to me so actually I really feel the need for everyone to see this" so here it is as it's own post

First reblog (I needed a second one because I ran out of space)

Second reblog

Sorry I just really felt like I needed to have the things I feel about her have its own post because all of this literally means everything to me I had to make sure it had a place to be kept. As you can see I have a lot of feelings. About. Like. Everything. So yeah

Thing is I seriously could've written so much more but it was late and I just couldn't. I might later though. Because seriously. There is so much more I think about her and it cannot be contained. But whatever, here's what I have for now, later

[simonsoys]

Sans really important stuff is actually well organized; it's the junk that's messy.

Anonymous said:                                                    

Undyne actually doesn’t like most teas, but she does like the yellow flower ones because it’s all Asgore would offer her after training sessions.             

These are great and very cute!

I actually think the Sans one is a good character trait. Although, possibly instead that he USED to be organized. The old, important stuff remains organized simply because it hasn’t been touched in a long time.

Maybe Undyne has always thought tea was gross, but keeps drinking it anyway to keep her spirit determined. THIS IS A TEST OF WILL. A TEST OF ‘WILL YOU KEEP DRINKING IT’.

But to clarify, I’m looking for topic ideas, not headcanons themselves! (But you guys are free to send those anytime anyway lol)

[drundertalescum]

☕️ Undyne is an introvert. She goes to the cave behind the waterfall (the one with the tutu) when she wants to be alone, she doesn't want you to go into her room, and she's anxious that waterfall will get overcrowded when people start moving from the city(she says this when you call her in the room with all the puddles i believe) Papyrus also says that Undyne likes her privacy when you talk to him outside her house and she doesn't want to befriend you

Ohhh man, this is a really interesting take! I never actually thought of it, but damn, I kinda love it. Her being an introvert in a broader sense (rather than in the more commonly used asocial sense), recharging herself by being alone, is really interesting to me, and sort of fits with some of my headcanons for her. Sometimes, she seems a bit lonely and prone to silent brooding. The way that she hides away after you defeat her is a big example.

I think overall I would classify her, at least in my mind, as an ambivert. I think as much as she likes her alone time to restore her energy, she also draws her focus and strength from her friends and genuinely loves spending a lot of active, involved time with them. I think she tries to strike up a balance, and can’t really enjoy the silence without breaks to go noogie her skeleton friend or watch some anime with her favorite nerd. I see her as leaning one way for a while, quiet alone time or wacky friendship hijinks, then swinging in the other direction for another while. 

For some other extroverted traits, while I think she limits her social circle at times to those she really trusts, and she’s not concerned with being popular, she DOES really care about a lot of people and think about them often. She wants you to cherish the nice ghost that lives next door. She wants you to cherish the cute bird. She wants you to do well in your quest. She wants to protect Papyrus and his sweet personality. She sees a cute girl staring out into the abyss at the dump and you better believe she’s going to make the first move and strike up a conversation. Her favorite trait in other people is passion. When she’s looking at the end of the world, she doesn’t just worry about the people she’s closest to, she thinks of everyone. Everyone who needs her help, and everyone who needs to be saved. It doesn't matter how close they are to her. It doesn’t even matter if she hates them (ex: humanity). Other people are being threatened and it doesn’t matter if she is dying or hurting. She needs to hold on, not for herself, but for them. 

So, yeah, I think she’s got a lot of extroverted traits (in more common-use sense) and a lot of introverted traits (in a broader sense), and I really like that about her.