#urobuchi

[savaralyn2]

Thunderbolt Fantasy - Final movie trailer

[jado-kun]

Thinking about how puppets saved Urobuchi.

[valkyrievanessa]

is kinda funny that people like to praise madoka magica as this super feminist show targeted to lesbian women and... the writer is a misogynistic guy that enjoy a little bit too much write woman suffer in the worst ways possible.

"but he makes every one suffer, look to fate zero with kiritsugu sacrificing the ones he loves" yeah, he sacrifices the women in his life (his mentor, his lover, his wife, his daughter), and most of the woman in zero is targeted in a very specific way (like women in fiction was normally treated), except artoria, she is just psicologial tortured in half of the anime, but not because she is a woman (you can argue with that).

Madoka magica can easily be read as a story were woman is punished for desiring things, even the hopeful wish of madoka were she become a goddess backfires with the film rebelion and kinda makes the things worse for everyone.

i still love madoka magica, but is not this feminist story every one tells (you can try to read as one if you want it, it can work that way, but there is better stories for that), any other mahou shoujo anime would fit this bill (and sailor moon exist, with explicit lesbian representation if you want). The most problematic parts of madoka magica are worked better without urobuchi hands, i kinda enjoy how hopeful magia record is, like, genuinely hopeful (at least it was, i don't know now because the NA server died, the jp one is still going)

[toskarin]

so re: urobu chi in madoka we are just replacing the "man/ghost" with a girl with grey hair, right? I buy that.

I think he has strayed away from these basic conventions a lot as of late, but he also has been working a lot less in general. I'm curious if you have a favorite of gen's work or if you feel you haven't absorbed enough of it to have an opinion (or maybe you just don't like any of it). while it does boil down to the basic framework you describe I feel like on the journey to that he explores some pretty interesting ideas. Just as well I also like the different ways he resolves his "everything sucks" narratives. at least I feel by the end usually there is more there than that basic idea but sometimes it takes too long to get there.

As far as zero is concerned, Nasu approved it basically all the way through its release and worked with gen on it so there is that. And when you consider Gen was basically given free reign there's no real reason for him to stick to the original concepts, I don't think (but I understand the argument for him to do just that). I guess my takeaway is if you find them incompatible (zero and stay) then that's fine because they were made by two completely different people, the same way I don't have Aliens in the same headspace as Aliens. They are different things that just happen to have the same characters.

I spent a lot of time just stating my own opinions rather than asking yours, sorry. Whatever you feel about Gen (I'm not a big fan but he's made some stuff I like), it's hard for me to say he did some interesting things that a lot of authors would be too afraid to do (or perhaps simply wouldn't be allowed to by their publishers).

anyway if you can/want to point me to where you've written more about these topics I'd be curious to see it!

I'm gonna apologize in advance because I'm using your ask to write my most comprehensive (and sympathetic) post on Urobuchi so far lmao

I should definitely open by clarifying that when I drop an opinion like that, I'm exaggerating my actual stance because I think it's funny to do it, so I'm not actually as anti-Urobuchi as I come off, it's just that I'm just not especially a fan (and at the end of the day, no matter what I say on here, I'm a pretty big Madoka fan who thinks Saya no Uta is a fantastic piece of horror and likes Nitroplus vns as a whole)

in general, when I sound overly negative about an author, it's usually because I don't feel the need to write out every time I find a piece of media okay or even good, so playing up some stronger opinions for a punchier line is always gonna result in what looks like a paradigm of blind praise and seething hatred. it can come off especially rough when preexisting connotations attach themselves to my rambles and rants

for example, me complaining about the misogynist tendencies of Urobuchi's writing is more of a ribbing than a hard moral judgment on whether it's got merit. I've got no idea what he's like outside of his work, besides that we like a lot of the same movies and he seems to get along with other people I hold in high regard. that's a big part of why I make a point of tending towards more tongue-in-cheek references to his choking fetish as opposed to anything with real substance

all that being said!

even though my stated opinions are oversimplifications of what I actually believe, I'm a little unfair to him, and I'm fully willing to acknowledge that. I disagree heavily with the way Zero was handled, especially in regards to how it handled preexisting characters, and it's one of those few situations where I wonder whether Nasu was actually right to lend so much creative freedom to a partner on a project he was (by all accounts) so closely involved with

Gen has a fantastic sense for horror and despair, and it's solely because he produces stories so close to what I'd consider amazing that I complain about the things holding them back. an example I'll point out is that I've never gone after the low hanging fruit of gun jokes because, while it is a recurring theme in his writing, I genuinely appreciate his fixation on the specifics of firearms

I haven't kept up with Urobuchi's stuff recently, largely because of time constraints, but I really do hope he's been working his way out of the boxes he worked himself into. if he were a purely mediocre writer who made consistently okay work, I don't think I'd have any opinions on him at all, after all

in the end, I really dislike Zero because of both what it tries to be and what it doesn't try to be. if it had been a more boring production, I'd have much less to say about it. I think that's a pretty good encapsulation of my feelings on him. I'm never bored, regardless of whether I'm having a good time

[leafbladie]

The Virgin "Urobuchi's a misogynist according to this Tumblr gossip I heard" vs The Chad "Urobuchi... his vibes... they're rancid"

[whatsyourcolor]

So...

Anyone knows where Urobuchi is in all of this? I thought he was involved in some way but can anyone confirm? I’m not sure he’s being listed among the writers because he’s the the creator of Psycho-Pass or because he actually wrote or helped write these movies.

[leafbladie]

I would have a good long think about your and Urubuchi's ideas of 'emotional range' in women.

Lol, seriously?

I would say this about any person, not just women. People usually describe high school as a turbulent time where the most minor inconvenience made you want to die, and some of the smallest accomplishments felt like the greatest days of your life.

I'm not saying that's everyone's experience, but neither was Urobuchi. It's just a generalization.

[calialcaro-erutano]