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Voting ended onMay 26, 2023

[payedar]

Ji bo vê yeki, evina min li welatê bê sinor de kuştin. Li ser pişta min barên evinî nejiyayên. Li ser singê min xençera faîlên wan diyar. Li pişt min tivinga neyara. Lê evina min çirokek bêdawi ye.

[sonicringnoise]

I will continue shitposting until I am forcibly stopped.

[hecketernal]

What if the reason Veger knew Jak was Mar was because of Onin? Veger takes it as a sign of his right to ascendancy; meanwhile, Onin just breathes a sigh of relief. Thank fuck. She needed someone else to get turned into a Precursor. It would have spelled their doom otherwise. She didn't know what the gods were thinking.

[danscarf]

"Ey kid, do you know how to fix 'im"

30min sketch

[valuvr03]

My brain does Jak and Daxter theories when i'm trying to sleep and i'm losing it.

[seemsplaining]

How did you and the other monks react when you found out Veger's true intentions? (Or did some of you already know what he was up to...)

@viulus​

English / Seem searches their memory “I’m sorry, I don’t know who this Vegar person is...”

Spanish / Seem busca en su memoria "Lo siento, no sé quién es esta persona llamada Vegar ..."

English / Yatso pops by, “We’re vegetarian, if that’s what you’re asking.”

Spanish / Yatso aparece, "Somos vegetarianes, si eso es lo que estás preguntando.” 

...

English/ (I know this is an unexpected answer but I really rather not address Veger as Canon in this universe as he hits too close to an antisemitic stereotype and caricature. My original idea (when I had not understood this) was that Yatso and Glim were the ones to figure it out, the two being situated in Haven and watching the hypocrisy go down to their faces. They tell Seem and they are ready to stop him from entering the subrails by the time he reaches them.)

Spanish/ (Sé que esta es una respuesta inesperada, pero realmente prefiero no abordar a Veger como Canon en este universo, ya que se acerca demasiado a stereotipos y caricaturas antisemitas. Mi idea original (cuando no había entendido esto) era que Yatso y Glim fueron las que se dieron de cuenta, las dos estando situadas en Haven y observan cómo la hipocresía les llega a la cara. Le dicen a Seem y están listes para evitar que él entre en los rieles cuando llega a ellos.)

[darkwarriorproject]

Me again! Not sure if I'm just bitter about what happened to Damas in 3 (*sob*) but am I the only one disappointed in this; like how in 2, you get to fight Praxis and Kor, which is fair enough. But you don't get to fight Erol, and while it is somewhat funny to me to HC him as someone who would get messed up in a true fight with Jak, the fact you only fight him in 3 (when he's not really Erol anymore) kinda sucks, after all the crap he did. Same for Veger; especially after THAT bit in particular-

yeaaahhhh the lack of a Veger fight was IMMENSELY disappointing (you don't get to kill off the Best Dad and then not even provide the catharsis of a bossfight/beatdown!!! 0/10 game design) and even moreso because Veger was in many ways the most despicable villain of the series.

like Kor was your typical nonhuman Big Bad with a ‘destroy humanity’ motivation (and same goes for the Dark Makers); Praxis was a tyrant who did unspeakably awful things in the name of ‘protecting’ some abstract idea of ‘the City’ while throwing a lot of individual people under the bus; Krew was greedy & self-serving & sold out all of Haven for his own personal gain; the Acherons were deluded & obsessed with their ‘remake the world’ god-complex.... but while all of the other antagonists did objectively worse things, none of them had such a blatant kick-the-dog moment as That Scene, where Veger gloats and laughs at Jak's pain & grief, knowing full well that he 100% caused it (and this is also the one time we see Dax get truly furious at an antagonist instead of just snarking & mouthing off at them; if that doesn't say it all idk what does). Veger hated Jak on a very personal level & delighted in hurting him, even when doing so had no bearing on his goals.

...which brings us to Erol, bc Erol was also motivated by a personal vendetta against Jak. [quick note: i don't even consider ‘cyber’ to be the same character/person as Erol; imo his arc ended with his death at the final race in Renegade & ‘cyber’ is just a robot with his face stuck on... but i digress]

the Erol situation is interesting to me tho, because it shows how Jak never really saw Erol as an equal or a real threat-- even though Erol hurt Jak a lot in prison, he was never included in Jak's main revenge mission (which was against Praxis alone) and Jak effectively let Erol choose the terms of their showdown by agreeing to meet him in the races (he had multiple opportunities to attack Erol but didn't). they BOTH know that Erol would never stand a chance against Jak in a fight, but that's not really the point; their showdown is less about who would win and more focused on the chance to publicly humiliate the other-- they're fighting for the admiration & support of the people of Haven, as the Champion/Commander vs the Underdog Renegade Hero. and of course Erol also left Jak with lasting trauma, but I think Jak understood that Erol was merely a pawn/lackey serving under Praxis, so he was better able to cope & didn't need Erol dead the same way he did Praxis.

but yeah tl;dr.... when you really look at it, the final bosses of all three games are ‘world-saving’ scenarios that fail to resolve the primary emotional conflicts at the core of each game (getting Daxter's body back in TPL, the revenge quest in II, the exile/dadmas arc in 3); Jak always loses what he wants for the sake of ‘being the Hero’ & those losses are never adequately addressed by the narrative, which leaves the endings a bit underwhelming (especially the 3rd game, boooooo).