#wegodogowen

[reanimatedcourier]

the Tribes in Fallout are not the same thing as the actual bands in real life, they aren't even supposed to be Native American tribes, although yes, some of them do draw inspiration and possibly have anscestory from indeginous folk. Comparing "descendants of Americans nuked to the stone age" to Indigenous people of America is in of itself racist as hell.

I'm not answering your other asks. I know the groups in Fallout: New Vegas are not like the Indigenous bands of today. I played the game.

they aren't even supposed to be Native American tribes, although yes, some of them do draw inspiration and possibly have ancestry from Indigenous folk.

I would appreciate it a lot if people actually read what I said as opposed to glean the aura of it and respond to what they think I've said. There is nothing you've proposed in this statement that is contradictory to what I have said. Also, this is dancing around the concept of coding. If they draw inspiration from Indigenous groups and have Indigenous ancestry, why is it such a stretch to call them Indigenous? Yes, it is possible to have distant (150+ years back for example) Indigenous ancestry and not be considered such.

One of the groups in Honest Hearts quite literally has words from the Shosone language in their dialogue. What else is this supposed to be read as?

For fuck's sake, this is what Caesar's sentiment of "taking the tribe out of the tribal" parallels to. This is what the Legion practices and intends through assimilation. You know, like how things happen in real life. Very strange, but fiction is influenced by reality.

I'm not going to wax poetic about intent versus impact here, since I've given the speech enough my followers are probably tired of it by now. So, we'll do the bullet points version.

No, I don't think they were initially intended to be read this way.

Yes, I think the writers drew on their preconceived notions of "primitive" and that consisted of imagery associated with Indigenous people of the US.

Yes, I do know that J.E. Sawyer did not intend for either groups to be strictly uniform in visuals.

No, I don't think it matters in the grand scheme of things.

No, I am not being racist by being an Indigenous player and connecting these dots in the way I did. Try again.

P.S: there are many Indigenous people in the southwestern US.

The Great Khans work with the NCR at Hoover Dam in one ending. NCR decides to expand later on after the battle, kicks the Great Khans off their land, and relocates them to an isolated patch of land north of trade routes. How the fuck else is this supposed to be read?

[reanimatedcourier]

Kinda long, but it’s actually a good critique on the mod, and doesn’t just call the Enclave based or anything.

https://youtu.be/B2bCcyYAwBI

Here's a link to the video. I'm going to start a highlight reel in this ask, because my brain is melting. Brief content warning for a discussion of suicidal thoughts in the interview with a vehicle developer.

I find this reviewing style a bit crass, but I'm inclined to agree with this. Some friends and I watched a video critiquing it and were pointing out all of the games and movies it lifted from.

Come on, now.

Brief aside: the implication that the wasteland now primarily relies on oral history, as pointed out, is intriguing. Makes me think of Indigenous stories carefully preserved through oral history.

General Blackthorne could have been an interesting exploration of nepotism within NCR and why it can lead to catastrophic failure. Sending a significant portion of your manpower and, by extension, losing half of your vertibirds in a botched rescue mission for one asshole? Who could have guessed that would go badly! (Any strategist with half an ounce of sense. But if he got placed in the position because his father sucked up to somebody, well, now the player knows why it happened.)

I wasn't expecting it but I am so glad he brought up Yes Man, who gives you all the freedom to make your decisions while still having an opinion on it like everyone else. He's not allowed to stop you. He's still mastered passive aggression, though.

About fifty minutes in, we've hit the Crusaders rant. You know, if they played the idea of divine intervention being what locks you into or out of the Crusaders quest, it may have been salvageable. Domina already believes herself to be on a mission from God. I am also not opposed to creepy missionary flirting on account of I find missionaries incredibly off-putting. FNV is too kind to them IMIO (In My Indigenous Opinion).

As I enjoy political drama, the ability to turn the Crusaders into Legion puppets in their playthrough fascinates me. I can't wait to see how they dropped this plot point.

Aside 2: that was, unexpectedly, the first example of concrete writing in line with FNV. Feels kind of like a broken clock.

What a shame the conspiracy plot is so convoluted. I have a sneaking suspicion where they got this from. I would also like to see what happens if you were to create a power vacuum in the Frontier. Maker of this video has a point in calling Rancor the Anti-House. Which might be cool! If the writers could execute it decently.

I wish the people who made this mod had written it properly. Or coherently. Then again, I don't. Oh, man. That Ebert quote is getting some serious mileage. 😬.

Objectively, this is true. I could launch into my opinion on why an imperial war machine might gun for an area full of technology and another front to advance on. We do not have time to unpack and compare all of that, however. No Legion Luddites Allowed Anymore.

Aside 3: the idea of a cultural schism could be interesting here. Nobody on the mod team thought that far ahead.

I will diverge significantly from what Soup is saying. I really, really don't want to see the NCR at war with, quote "heavily armed scavenger tribes". Yes, yes, I see what he means about plot lifting. Given how racist FNV already is, I don't want to see more tribes created within game lore that are just meant to be violent savages. Once again, I am not saying Indigenous people are incapable of doing bad things. I have no trust in pulling it off in a balanced, compelling way, given how even the vanilla game will go out of their way to call tribals "primitive", much like Soup is doing. The devs of this game already don't understand anything Indigenous. They would not handle this well.

Sorry, seven fucking years and they still put vehicle devs through crunch? I'm at the loss for words. What the fuck! It's been confirmed they didn't communicate with each other over this. It explains a lot.

To conclude this, what a dumpster fire of a mod. No communication, mediocre writers, mediocre writers dominating the writing room in general, fetish fuel, unnecessary crunch. Who says they aren't going to just do this again if they rebuild the NCR campaign from the ground up?