#will solace negative

[ursie]

Solangelo is only good if a. All of Nicos friends can’t stand Will, b. They straight up don’t know who he is, or c. Objectively the funniest option-they have to live with the fact Nico is making heart eyes at someone who’s just some guy

[ursie]

PJO stans will literally call Frank/Leo’s/Hazel’s/Piper’s canon writing problematic and one dimensional and that’s why they don’t support them or their content then call Will their favorite character in the same breath 🤡😭

[ursie]

All jokes aside what are your opinions on Will? Truthfully?

Ok ok so again I don’t actually hate Will I hate the fandom and their inability to be critical of the bigotry present in his writing. Will isn’t a real person but real people are choosing to write him like that 😭 anyway :

I do think there’s a constant pattern of ableism that needs to be addressed not just by his position but how he chooses to interact w other characters and how he prioritizes his opinion over other characters bodily autonomy

He’s stated to be nice but I would call this an informed trait more so than anything present in the writing honestly he’s a bit of a dick and that’s fine if that was acknowledged by the fandom and the writing again I’m not against character flaws

Genuinely him being mean but thought to be nice vs Nico being nice but thought to be mean would be hilarious if it was actually acknowledged

He did victim blame Nico in boo and that is certainly :/ I choose to read that as him projecting but I do not like the fandom running w that as if Nico was actually responsible for his alienation. Again I do not hold this over the character as much as the fandom

He is over bearing and he does seem to think his opinion matters more than others and again flaws r fine if they’re acknowledged as such if him being over bearing is his fatal flaw ok just acknowledge it 😭

I think there’s is some homophobic backlash to him yeah but genuinely a lot of his criticism is from other q fans mad that Nico is paired w a side character outa no where over building a relationship over multiple books and I do think the fandom has a knee jerk reaction to say homophobia in response over legitimate criticism

I think you could definitely build an interesting relationship between the two but you would have to actually be aware and avoid the ableism present in their current dynamic-I do think there is potential. I do think there is potential to his character but genuinely he’s a little bland

The fact that there’s will stans building this whole character and back story instead of stanning the characters of color w “flawed writing” (Leo/Hazel/Frank) and even choosing to dislike them over their canon or lack of canon writing. Clownery. Absolute clownery like if Will is your fav character you genuinely hate women and characters of color 😭

But again if you’re building a character from the ground up as long as you avoid the ableist stuff idk

Oh also idk about the age retcon I do think it’s an incredible lack of self awareness (and also it’s funny) when people complain about like Jasico because Nico’s age was retconned but still ship Solangelo but genuinely idc about it I think Nico should be older actually retcons r fine they’re a writing tool that’s actually what they’re for 😭 they’re not like inherently bad

Main point is go crazy just literally so the bare minimum and listen to disabled people that are uncomfortable w parts of their canon and fanon dynamic 😭 literally no one is cancelling anyone or attacking anyone just like, asking people not to write ableist rhetoric 😭🙏

[ursie]

Anyway Solangelo is an inherently ableist ship, Will canonically is a bad person to Nico in hoo, and certainly not perfect later on and guess what else? People are allowed to be uncomfortable with it!! You don’t have to agree!! Just move on!! But when Disabled people point out ableism you (neurotypical/able bodied people) don’t get to debate it!! You can disagree w/o debating because your opinion isn’t of equal value!! But! You can just block and move on!! Literally no one is stopping you!!

[ursie]

Can you please tell me how Solangelo is ableist ? I'm genuinely curious.

If you've done the ask before can you please link it ? Genuinely curious

A lot of it is in the inherent power difference in their relationship between a doctor and patient. And between a disabled man and an able bodied “doctor” to be specific (it's important to note that yes disabled people can and do date their caregivers however the fandom at large seems unable to write that dynamic in a disabled friendly manner. the nuance needed cannot be written by able bodied people without research, critical thinking, and (disabled) sensitivity readers, without holding yourself accountable for ableism you cannot hope to write that dynamic appropriately.)

Also there’s a lot of ableism specifically in the fandom as well. Will is played as a savior character to Nico’s disabilities-that is ableist. The fandom doubles down on it

I’ll link some of posts about it. I strongly suggest you go through my disabled tag or my it’s disabled time <3 tag as well 💕

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659060544544948224

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659066315754045440

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659070868820049920

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659070903430381568

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659070937652674560/sleepcities-sleepcities-dont-get-me-wrong

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659071019309465600/im-writing-a-solangelo-fic-and-i-was-wondering

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659071434184851456

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659071483588575232/ok-but-nico-isnt-disabled-hes-fully-capable-of

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/190334530314/everyone-rb-this-and-calling-it-a-hclike-in-text

https://crippleking.tumblr.com/post/659071524662312960

[ursie]

Will isn't ableist Solangelo isn't ableist he's the love of Nico's life Nico who is a able bodied person!! he's not disabled!! he's normal!! stop projecting just because you're a solangelo anti!! and further more the solangelo fandom is one of the most positive fandoms I've been apart of and any "hate" you've recieved is because of your own behavior (spamming the tag with hate and character slander) the solangelo fandom has stood strong against extreme homophobia and will stand strong against your bs trying to ruin the ship and tag and expierience for everyone!!

Ok I mean this and not even as a hater but like he’s not the love of his life they’re like 16..like..be normal??

Anyway.

Nico is disabled canonically and heavily implied to be physically disabled in text-also conflating being physically disabled to being abnormal? Ableism is real.

Solangelo hinges on multiple ableist tropes which would be one thing except it is rather unaddressed by the fandom at large if not actively enforced and romanticized

Will is written with ableist tropes in mind yes but also as a character he does have multiple moments where he says or does ableist things. Given how little we know about his character so far it’s kinda sad that we have 1. Gay, 2. Star Wars, 3. Ableism and also doesn’t respect boundaries and thinks gaslighting is a good way to befriend someone like..I’ll give the latter a pass as bad writing and projection from the character but the other two are consistent character traits which would be fine if they were acknowledged as flaws but again are romanticized by fanon (and canon tbh) at large

I’m not really a Solangelo anti?? I make jokes and criticize it but tbh I think there’s a really good concept there it just lacks a lot in execution

Literally in what world is the Solangelo fandom not the most annoying fandom like..we get it you’re white and able bodied

This is the first time to my memory I’ve been victim blamed by an anon so..congratulations? And thank you ig? Anyway moving on

Character content including criticism does in fact belong in the tags. That’s literally what a tagging system is for

Why are you equating me a enby lesbian to homophobes like..you get our criticisms are not the same nor do I have the same power as like.actual hate groups right.

I promise I don’t have a conspiracy or am I running an active smear campaign against them. Genuinely Idk I would just like them and you to stop being ableist like. Bare minimum here

[ursie]

What's wrong with Will? Don't get me wrong, he's the stalest piece of toast, but is there something wrong with how he's written? BTW, I last read a PJO book like 3 years ago and my memory is spotty so this is a genuine question.

Srry this took so long to answer it took forever to find this : https://ursie.tumblr.com/post/659073745507450880/can-you-please-tell-me-how-solangelo-is-ableist

ursie

Some more posts about it https://ursie.tumblr.com/post/659060507783872512/just-want-to-know-whats-your-opinion-lmao-i-saw just want to know

Aside from that there are other posts about this in my it’s disabled time<3 tag, my tw ableism tag, or both character tags off the top of my head

[ursie]

I'm screaming no one hates Mr. William Solace he is a fictional child like I promise you no one cares about him personally

However people do hate the systems and ideas that he is surrounded by. No one hates him, they hate the ableism in his writing they hate the fact that it has to be pointed out how ableist his writing is and has been since no one can be bothered to give a shit about disabled people- people are tired of being attacked for daring to criticize Mr. Diversity Riordan(🙄) for his shitty writing

No one hates Will. People don't even hate the people who like him(generally, tho y'all are testing us) but he has to criticized and so does his writing and so does the fandom because if no one points out the HARMFUL aspects of his writing in reference to disabled people then misconceptions and harmful ideas will continue to go around and I feel like I should not have to point out why that is dangerous.

No one gives a shit about Will, but maybe you should give a shit about ableism, I promise the fictional child you've tied your identity too(maybe you shouldn't be so offended for a fictional character over real people but whatever) can take the L

LITERALLY LIKE SAY THAT ANON it’s genuinely not complicated we just don’t like ableism!! So we criticize it so we disabled people don’t have to see it anymore 😭 it’s not personal!! Except when y’all make it so!