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I don't even actually care what people want to spin the definition of the word to, "theyfab" is genuinely such a sexist word.
Guh anyway, I did Not expect that post to get soo much attention. The most any of my blogs get in terms of interaction is at most like 60-100 or so notes. I'm going to keep it up, but I'm not gonna interact with it anymore, since really the flood of notes caught me off guard. But, it's nice to know that most people seem to agree with me, so that's nice.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to take a break from this blog, since discourse-- especially trans discourse-- is genuinely so draining. So I've turned off all notifications for this blog, maybe i'll reblog some positivity stuff here and there, but otherwise I'm gonna leave it alone for now.
Ended up making a new account so I wouldn't feel tempted to check this one, and honestly it's done wonders for my mental health! Just popped back on to see if interactions have cooled down on *that post* and it definitely seems like they're slowing, so that's nice. Really didn't expect it to get so much traction! 4k+ notes is honestly the most I've ever gotten on tumblr, like, at all. So I'm sure you can assume how nerve wracking that was for a little nobody like me!
Anyway, I probably am still gonna try to avoid making my own posts talking about stuff like that for a while (at least, I'm gonna avoid tagging it), but every now and then I'll log on here to reblog stuff I think need to be shared.
Neither trans women nor trans men have male privilege; they are not what the patriarchy, which awards that privilege, wants to see in a person. Trans People Do Not Have Male Privilege, Because We Go Against What The Patriarchy Seeks To Uphold.
I also wanna add onto this to say that anyone who is nonbinary doesn't have male privlage either (or any gender related privileges). I know that statement may seem obvious, but I've legitimately seen people try to argue otherwise. I unfortunately see people float the idea that if your amab and don't make a constant effort to look feminine you suddenly have male privilege or if your trans masculine and don't look feminine you suddenly have male privilege, and to me this literally just seems like terf rhetoric. There was also some idiot I saw recently who actually seemed to believe that if your nonbinary and look like your gender assigned at birth your somehow the most privileged kind of queer person??? and I just look at this shit like???? Legit how do you come to this conclusion, if you aren't strictly male or female you have a whole ass new kind of gender discrimination to deal with, how in any world does that translate to privilege???
Neither trans women nor trans men have male privilege; they are not what the patriarchy, which awards that privilege, wants to see in a person. Trans People Do Not Have Male Privilege, Because We Go Against What The Patriarchy Seeks To Uphold.
Edit: this turned long and rambly. Apologies. I have a lot of feelings about this.
.The patriarchy sees men as consumers and women as commodities.
It hates trans women for abdicating our purpose in the same way it once hated gay men. We are failed consumers. We are failed competitors in a system that demands both. It seeks to fetishise us to reduce us to commodities.
It hates trans men for refusing to be the commodities it appointed them to be. They are seen as damaged goods. It seeks to fetishise them in order to force them back into their roles as commodities.
Because trans people of every stripe have rejected the roles society has tried to force on us, we do not fit into the system. That makes us a danger to the status quo. We are all labelled as dangers, as predators, as disruptors.
The patriarchy existed long before capitalism. but to my mind, the two have become inextricably intertwined. The bedrock of our society is an unconscious hierarchy of race, class, and gender. 3 pillars that each hold the others up and reinforce the system as a whole.
It is impossible to remove one without removing all 3 at once. Any progress made against just one pillar will be quickly unwound by the other two. In these ways, they keep us divided so that we cannot make a common cause.
Those in power would have us falsely believe that our causes are at odds, that our limited time and energy must be dedicated to only one, to the detriment of the others, in this way they use even our bids for equality as weapons, as tools to divide us anew.
As above, so below. This false narrative of exclusionism has been sown within the LGBT movement, so that lesbians and gays believe their rights are exclusive of trans people and we are a danger to them. So that trans men and women are turned to infighting and are too busy shouting over each other to be heard.
As a trans woman, I believe that trans men are criminally neglected, they are erased and forgotten by the media and by lawmakers just as much as we are held up for ridicule. Their struggles are overlooked and therefore dismissed.
Trans men categorically do not have male privilege.
They are not respected as men. They do not have an easier time passing. They do not get easier access to healthcare. They are not more respected by their peers.
Society more often than not treats trans women as delusional men, to be regarded with fear and suspicion In the same way society treats trans men as delusional women, to be patronised, and infantilised.
Guh anyway, I did Not expect that post to get soo much attention. The most any of my blogs get in terms of interaction is at most like 60-100 or so notes. I'm going to keep it up, but I'm not gonna interact with it anymore, since really the flood of notes caught me off guard. But, it's nice to know that most people seem to agree with me, so that's nice.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to take a break from this blog, since discourse-- especially trans discourse-- is genuinely so draining. So I've turned off all notifications for this blog, maybe i'll reblog some positivity stuff here and there, but otherwise I'm gonna leave it alone for now.
Neither trans women nor trans men have male privilege; they are not what the patriarchy, which awards that privilege, wants to see in a person. Trans People Do Not Have Male Privilege, Because We Go Against What The Patriarchy Seeks To Uphold.
Hopefully, any of the terfs or otherwise transphobes who found this post are all blocked now. Fuck off if you don't believe trans women are real women. Fuck off if you don't believe trans men are real men. Fuck off if you don't believe that laws that harm cis women harm trans women. Fuck off if you don't believe that laws that harm cis women harm trans men.
TRANSPHOBES FUCK OFF!!!
Fuck off if you think that Just identifying as a man or presenting as a man is enough for society to grant you any sort of male privilege or even view you as a man, rather than it being an inherently more complicated and nuanced thing that depends on so many factors.
TRANS PEOPLE DO NOT MIRROR CIS PEOPLE!!! OUR EXPERIENCES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE FUNDAMENTALLY WE ARE NOT CIS!!! THE SYSTEM TREATS US DIFFERENTLY!!! BECAUSE!!! WE!!! ARE!!! TRANS!!! STOP COMPARING TRANS PEOPLE TO CIS PEOPLE, YOU LOOK STUPID!!!
Neither trans women nor trans men have male privilege; they are not what the patriarchy, which awards that privilege, wants to see in a person. Trans People Do Not Have Male Privilege, Because We Go Against What The Patriarchy Seeks To Uphold.
Hopefully, any of the terfs or otherwise transphobes who found this post are all blocked now. Fuck off if you don't believe trans women are real women. Fuck off if you don't believe trans men are real men. Fuck off if you don't believe that laws that harm cis women harm trans women. Fuck off if you don't believe that laws that harm cis women harm trans men.
TRANSPHOBES FUCK OFF!!!
you can't keep telling (i.e. threatening) pre hrt trans women that hormones will make them be attracted to men. think for one singular second.
I promise you don't have to date, fuck or engage in any way with men to be a woman. Internalizing this will free you.
I've gotten this question a lot, and the answer is that male centered trans women are the ones saying this.
People's attitude towards lesbians is sometimes truly vile. Take the hell that is the mtf subreddit, often one of the first places young trans girls participate in:
Terrified lesbian gets told that she will either love her attraction to men, or she will have to stop hrt over it.
Typical defense, "This is my experience and you have no right to deny it".
Lesbian gets told "men can be cool too"
"It is misandry to not want to be attracted to men"
If we are at all about the safety and wellbeing of trans lesbians, this narrative must stop now and be called out for what it is: lesbophobia.
trans women do have male privilege due to being male. They do face discrimination for not conforming to their imposed standards of males but if they rejected femininity they would again assume male privilege.
Trans women don't have male privilege, they just don't. Trans women go against the Ideal Man the patriarchy wants by Being women, therefore, they inherently are beaten down by the system because they will always be reminded that they Are Not what the patriarchy says they're ""supposed"" to be. Even if a trans woman rejected femininity, she still would not have male privilege, because She Is Not A Man and the patriarchy Refuses To See Her as a person enough to grant her privilege, EVEN IF she conforms to masculinity, she still goes against the idea of "what a man should be" just by Being a trans woman.
*I am a trans guy, so obviously I can't know absolutely to a T how this affects trans women, so if any trans women see this and think I worded myself wrong, feel free to correct me of course and always!
I feel like a lot of misogyny gets tossed at trans men and transmascs and it’s excused ignored even encouraged because we are men, it’s a taste of our own medicine it’s just fair play. It’s certainly not just a continuation of how I’ve always been treated.
"Trans men rights activists only act the way they do because they're used to playing victim and-" Okay, first of all, we ARE. VICTIMS. We grew up AFAB in a misogynistic and transphobic society. We are victims. So jot that down.
anyway. positivity break
I get to see my girlfriend tomorrow, and I get to give her some of the presents I got her :3 I'm a little nervous going to her place for Christmas, especially since we'll be forced to misgender eachother the whole time (that's closet life though), but I think it'll be fun. I hope she likes the presents I got her. ^-^
Update since I just left hers, we had a blast! She loved the gifts I got her and I loved the ones she got me. Her family was so nice and the food was amazing <3
Grows up as a woman being told to “shut up and sit down” all the time. Transition. Is still told to “shut up and sit down”. Get upset that you’re still facing misogyny even from members of your supposed community. Get told you’re transmisogynist, by the person who was being misogynist.
Welcome to being a trans man!! :)
Hatred towards femininity is also misogyny
Hatred towards people AFAB is also misogyny
Neither feminine people nor people AFAB are necessarily women, but hatred towards them stems from misogyny because they're heavily associated with women in society
anyway. positivity break
I get to see my girlfriend tomorrow, and I get to give her some of the presents I got her :3 I'm a little nervous going to her place for Christmas, especially since we'll be forced to misgender eachother the whole time (that's closet life though), but I think it'll be fun. I hope she likes the presents I got her. ^-^
Wait wait wait.
I thought we made fun of MRAs because they are misguided and misogynistic for believing that feminism is against their interests and they need a movement apart from it. I thought we made fun of them for not understanding that feminism is in favor of men's liberation from the oppressive patriarchal binary as much as women's.
But some of you are actually making fun of MRAs because you think men have no problems to complain about, and feminism ISN'T for men, because they don't need anything, and the patriarchy isn't the enemy, men are?
Oooh I don't think we've been laughing at the same thing. You have lost the plot.
I thought we made fun of people who said "not all men" in response to women discussing sexism because while they are correct that not all men [insert bad behavior here], saying so in certain conversations is just a defensive knee jerk reaction that distracts from the point.
But some of you are actually making fun of any men who ask to be taken seriously and have their needs met and issues heard, even though they aren't talking over women? Some of you are making fun of marginalized men for talking about the experiences at their unique intersections of identities and asking for justice because you actually DO think "all men [insert bad behavior here]?"
Oooooh you are failing feminism 101. You do not understand what the patriarchy even is. You do not understand where its power comes from, who benefits from it, and who is harmed by it. You have not progressed beyond "cooties" level discourse. I am not laughing with you.
This is why you sound like a clown if you call transmasculine people talking about their issues "TMRAs." If you hear men discussing the ways they are harmed by the existing system and the only thing you can think of is obnoxious MRAs, you're telling on yourself. You're broadcasting the fact that you haven't spent enough time engaging with broad feminist viewpoints to know that men's liberation ideas (NOT the same as MRA) are a part of feminism and have been for a long time.
This is why you sound like a clown if you say "trans men who want feminism to be for them are misgendering themselves" and "trans men benefit from the patriarchy because all men benefit from the patriarchy" and "trans men experience no unique injustices because misandry isn't a systemic axis of oppression" and "trans men have male privilege so they can't be oppressed."
Because even if you take "trans" out of these statements, they're still incorrect. Feminism is for people of all genders. Men can be harmed by the patriarchy. The ways in which men are harmed by the patriarchy are different from the ways others are harmed by the patriarchy. Having certain "privileges" in certain contexts doesn't negate the harm of a rigid social structure that punishes nonconformity.
Men can oppose the patriarchy because they want justice for others AND for themselves. There's nothing wrong with that. Giving them shit for talking about that is NOT helping take down the patriarchy.
The patriarchy is not a war of men against women where men are given all the advantages. That's not what feminism is up against.
The patriarchy is a system where ALL people have rigid roles imposed upon them. All else being equal, certain advantages are more likely to be given to men (or masculine people, or people AMAB, or people with male sex characteristics, depending on CONTEXT). But all else is RARELY equal and even when it is, the range of experiences is vast, and the system is rigged against almost everyone.
Because the goal most individuals have, and the right all individuals deserve, is to be themselves, and to do so by choice. And no matter who you are, the patriarchy stands in opposition to this goal. It tells you who you're allowed to be, who you're not allowed to be, what you're allowed to do, and what others are allowed to do to you. This is an injustice for people of all genders.
We're ALL trapped. This system can only be dismantled if we understand the WHOLE thing. Which means we need to listen to everyone when they talk about the harms the system is causing them, from where THEY'RE stuck in it.
How are you going to escape the torture mansion if you don't understand vast swathes of it because you've mistaken your brother for the enemy and closed your ears to him? He's shouting from the torture chamber next to yours, trying to tell you the layout of the room he sees so you can plan your escape together, and you're refusing to listen because he's been given more food and water than you? How do you not see that this attitude is only to the benefit of the torture mansion, not its victims?
I do wish we could just talk about our oppression and how it uniquely affects us all without it turning into some bullshit blame game within the community, as if that'll get us our rights.
trans men are not the reason trans women are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
trans women are not the reason trans men are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
binary trans people are not the reason non-binary trans people are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
non-binary trans people are not the reason binary trans people are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
multigender trans people are not the reason monogender trans people are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
monogender trans people are not the reason multigender trans people are killed, abused, tortured, raped, and beaten down by the system.
The System Is To Blame. Not Ourselves.