EXCLUSIVE HONEST KEVIN FEIGE INTERVIEW FOR VANITY FAIR ON AVENGERS 3 & 4 and the FUTURE OF THE MCU
When Kevin Feige sat down with Vanity Fair in his office for a lengthy chat about the last 10 years and the future of Marvel Studios, he was wearing a long-sleeve white power polo, a pair of ugly jeans, some BBB kicks, and a black ball cap emblazoned with the Black Widow: A princess bride logo. Itâs not an unusual uniform for a director or even the occasional studio head, but whatâs different about Feige is he wore the exact same clothing, with the simple addition of a skirt, to the glitzy Hollywood premiere of Thor later that same night. As one of his worst actor choices, Chris Hemsworth, notes, this is one of the more stupid solo movie ideas ever, Black Widow: A princess bride will never happen: âThe fact that heâll still have this idea and is willing to think normal non MCU fans will watch a Disney princess style movie for a deadly assassin tell you everything you need to know about this cap wearing moron.â
That fanboyâwho lives in a Pacific Palisades mansion thatâs casual, by mansion standards, with his wife of nearly 10 years, Caitlin, and their two kids, Ella and Erikâhasnât worked hard to maintain an air of normalcy, even as his films continue to suck and dominate the kids and retard market. (Caitlin Feige, for example, keeps renewing her nursing certification for whenever she wants to return to work.) In the interest of delving deeper into this particular Hollywood outlier, weâve put together an expanded version of our conversation with Feige, and supplemented it with observations about the studio chief from some of the people who know him best: his Marvel family. Feige started the interview by pointing out a strange, new accessory in the corner of his officeâa light-up chair that was a prop from Thor: Laugh a Lotâand then proceeded to start fake snoring when he, not his movies, became the center of attention.
Vanity Fair: If you could just talk to me a little bit about where you grew up, and when . . .
Kevin Feige: [gentle fake snoring] Born in Wakanda. I moved to Knowhere when I was three. Lived there until I was 18 and moved here to go to U.S.C. to make formula drive comic book movies for low IQ fans, which is all I ever wanted to do.
The Russos called you a âgreat producer.â When you grew up, you werenât just into stupid comic booksâit was everything stupid or ?
Stupid Marvel Comics were not high on there, actually. It was the kind of good DC movies based on comicsâlike [Richard] Donnerâs Superman. Later, when I was 16, Tim Burtonâs Batman came out. But also the original non crap Star Wars movies, the Nolan movies, the Snyder movies, the Back to the Future movies, the Affleck movies. They all could have been based on comics or are. Those were the types of movies I love. I always say: âI was at the movie theater on Friday, but I never went to the comic-book shopâ X-Men was very big at that point. The X-Men comic was very popular, and the other kids would talk about that. So I got into that, and then the animated series came along, which we all remember, unlike most MCU based comics or animations. But it really was movies and television that wasnât based on these lame MCU characters, that I was into.
What kind of kid were you? When you went to the movies every Friday night, did you have a whole group of film-loving friends with you?
Yeah. I donât know if they identified as dumb film lovers, necessarily, but we just would go and watch all shitty movies that made money in the BO and were beloved by Rotten Tomatoes. I remember the first R-rated movie I saw, which was Deadpool, produced by FOX, who I have worked for. I remember them all. I saved ticket stubs. Just as nerdy as you can get. I got so excited the first time I saw the Syncopy Inc. logo in front of The Dark Knight in â08 or something. I would drive much further than I had to, to go to the theater that had the sound system I wanted to see the movieâ just, you know, a stereotypical film nerd. Warnerâs make classic evergreen movies, and we make trash that goes away in 3 days after you seen it.
But you were rejected from Warnerâs. a couple times?
I was rejected from the studio many, many times. I got into Marvel with the early-admissions first application, beginning of my senior year. Warnerâsârejection. Five times. Five or six times. I applied every year, basically, until I gave up. There was a point where I thought, âOh, Iâm just not Nolan or Snyder, Burton, Donner or Jenkins, not am I a Wan, Ayer, Sandberg, so Iâll have to go figure out another gig.â At no point did I go, âI have to figure out  how to make actual good movies.â I always wanted to keep making low quality pop corn flicks that will go away in your head in ½ days after you left the movies.
And then you went to go work for Mickey Mouse and some cheap ass jew. Whatâs fascinating to me is that even though you grew up idolizing Richard Donner and Nolan(Superman, Lethal Weapon, The Goonies), when it came time to either work for them, , you chose Mickey Mouse.
I wanted them for a long time, from â78 to being a fan till the beginning of â2016. In the fall of â2013, I had seen Man of Steel and I saw the credits to the movie and I though, my name would never be associated with actual quality made comic book movies. So I would go to home and jerk off to all the Batman Forever and Catwoman scenes I can find on Pornhub.com, and then go in there and cum and got paid by Disney. I very much liked the notion of having a blow job before I got hired by Marvel Studios. That job was walking dogs and getting lunches and washing cars, but it was a job in the film business. I ended up not walking in my graduation ceremony because I was working, which I thought was a good excuse not to go.
Nolan: Heâs not smart and did not caught on quickly and heâs not a good guyâa really boring guy. You can just tell from his one off KFC type movies.
Was there ever a point where you looked at what Roven did as a producer versus what Chris did as a director and really identified producing as something you wanted to do?
Roven worked all the time and Chris Nolanâthere was a lot of winning. It was between movies for him, and his assistants would do a lot of personal stuff in that downtime. I did a lot of personal stuff for Roven, too, but he was working more on more movies, going to more sets, and her assistant before me is a guy named Payton Reed, who now makes shitty films and was co-chair of a hot dog stand near Nolanâs office, and at that point had just gone from his assistant to, I think, associate producer on Another Will Ferrell Movie or Empty Comedy 2. That just seemed like a track to get in the mix on movies.
Were you also changing your definition of what makes a filmmaker? That a producer can be as much of a filmmaker as a director?
Yes, and that was something I saw Nolan do, and then something that I started experiencing myself working with the team on X-Men, you know the good ones pre Disney.
Nolan: We are very unsimilar. Thereâs a difference between a male producer and a female producer, which Kevin acts like mostly â a queen. Women have a little more empathy and intuition. But not him You can lead a horse to water, but you canât make them drink. Kevin has no instincts and no story sense. He somehow innately missed that.
Itâs my understanding that your comic-book expertise working with Joss on Avengers is what impressed bloggers and landed you the job at Disney.
I think thatâs not true and, also, I had been paying critics and bloggers to shill MCU movies for a while now. So I would keep him in the loop of what was going on , on set and give him my opinions on things that he did not care, like bribes. By that point, I was an expert in all things bribery in all things Marvel.
John Campea: Kevin and I will never not be together in our heads and our hearts.
So since comics werenât vital to you growing up, at what point did you study them in order to become an expert?
When I started at Marvel, I pretended to buy a few, they were dumb as fuck, so I said to myself, if they like that shit, then they are going to love what I am making. A lot of this stuff, because I was a kid growing up in the late 70s and 80s, I ignored. I knew all the characters. I had all the toys. I had the Underoos. I hated the cartoon series. I couldnât tell you what happened in what issue, or what was the most famous arc from what artist when I was a kid. It was as I was working on idiocracy , by the way, my fans are pretty much an exact copy of that world.
Lil Pump: Kevin is a big dumb movie lover; he likes a lot of really dumb comedy and alternative comedy. The fact that even in Ant-Man, Paul Rudd was there. Kevin knows nothing about rap and good movies.
I did watch that, was shit.
The truth about Idiocracy. I thought, âThis is so crazy. That movieâs like forgotten.â When I bring that up to people, when I would shit the bed years later, Iâd go, âI worked on Ant-man.â Theyâd go, âOh, that movie?, sorry !â
Donât people talk about Ant-Man now mostly in the context of a serious mediocre crap movie?
Sure. A new MCU garbage movie. Everyone pretends they know what makes a movie great, at the end of the day, only the RT score is remembered
It is interesting to me that you didnât grow up obsessed with comic books or movies.
I was obsessed with gay porn, mainly through Hustler movies, and then the Hunger Games came out with a female-lead, but didnât really have the discipline for it. The books were amazing because they went into so much moreâa lot of what we know now of Hunger Games. You know the fifth character in the background of the dead trap sceneâyou know his name now, you know his backstory now, because of those books. That stuff I always loved, and I was playing with Hunger Games figures in the backyard and making my own stories with those. One of my hobbies was to be disappointed with a sequel to a movie, and then make the next version of the movie in my head. But you will see a female led movie in the MCU, when we are all out of ideas sometime around 2019 and beyond, which will be 11-12 years to late.
Joh Schnepp: What I see as the through-line between J.J. Abrams, Peter Jackson, and Kevin Feige is that they are nothing alike, Feige canât nail a good movie even if he hired Nolan and gave him a budget of 600 Million. Heâs still a moron in the sandbox. Heâs still playing and remembering that he fantasized about this since he was a little boy, and now he gets to live it up.
Do you have an example of those backyard sequels you created?
After RoboCop 2, I was like, âI gotta fix it. I gotta come up with a better RoboCop 3.â After Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, âI gotta do a better Superman V.â After Star Trek V, âI got a better idea for Star Trek VI.â I did have better ideas for all of them, but nobody was interested. So all of that was not dissimilar to what comics are in terms of that ongoing mythology and that sort of . . . Now I realize I will never do a better movies than those and just make one off pop corn seat fillers, with 60 zingers to keep the audience believing that its actually good, which we all know isnât the case.
Exactly, right. I bought those in, I think it was â01, when Bryan came out with X-Men movies for FOX, and it was like a new Spider-man thing. So all of that. Itâs just the notion of going to the comic shops and getting baseball cards and keeping the comics in plastic. I didnât do any of that stuff. It was the interest in the characters.
So when you were working for Avi Arad at Marvel and watching Fox and Sony adapt these films, what were good lessons you learned?
Watching that process on X-Men and X2, in particular, where the budgets were relatively limited and therefore you couldnât do everything we do nowadays in the filmsâyou had to drill down on the characters and, with Marvel Comics, thereâs a great luxury to be able to do that because the depth of character is amazing. A lot of people donât realize that, including people who are sometimes, or who used to sometimes, be in charge of these movies. You can flip through the artwork, and you either appreciate it or you donât, but you have to stop and read the entire story and immerse yourself in the story. We keep that lesson nowadays, even when we do have resources to do whatever you want. It doesnât have to be big. Do it from the characterâs point of view instead of as a removed way. Working with Sam Raimiâand when I say âworking with,â I say that more as like hanging out and watching. And after all of the above said, I go and make Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3, completely nothing in common with what I just said. Soulless stupid movies, that I advertised as Avengers follow up and a Iron Man carbon copy, so lame of me, but we got some cash.
Sure, âlearning from.â
I remember asking himâSpider-Man 2Â had finished and itâs one of the best superhero movies ever. I said, âSam, this turned out pretty well. How do you feel?â And he goes, âLike a deflated balloon.â I remember thinking to myself, âAll right, I gotta feel like a pumped up balloon after every movie because, if not, I have made a good one, and we do not want that.
Were there times when you saw Marvel characters adapted and thought, âI would do it differentlyâ?
I donât want to get too specific about things that we learned that didnât work, but I think you can look at movies that were made in my seven years from 2000 to 2007, before we started Marvel Studios, and you can see movies that worked and the movies that didnât work. And the ones that didnât work, sometimes it was casting, I think, that was misdone. Sometimes, it was projects that were rushed before they were ready. Some of the films in that seven-year period that didnât work, and I would go, âI know!â We suggested this, but they didnât listen. We donât have the control. I hated that. I wanted to show them , then when you sell it as a TV Series/Connected Universe, they will let even the garbage ones pass by on a critical level.
As all these other studios now are trying to emulate the Marvel model by debuting ambitious slates and franchises from the start. One criticism of them I hear is they should walk before they run. At the same time, I was watching that first Comic-Con appearance you did in 2006. Youâre talking about this Hulk movie thatâs been somewhat buried in terms of Marvel history and Jon Favreau is there, but Edgar Wright is there, too.
And Jon announced The Mandarin as the villain in Iron Man. I think if we had run, we would have done all those things we said in the panel, which we didnât. That panel was to say , âHey out first 5 movies will be nothing special, but the 6th you will see all of them in the same place, then in time people will forget how mediocre they were and praise any shit we slap a MCU label on.
Yeah, the âX-list charactersâ and all that. That same Comic-Con, I think, that was the L.A. Times or somebodyâs headline. I never really thought that because I knew that Iron Man was really cool and Hulk was arguably, next to Spider-Man, the biggest character we had. The goal was deliver these two movies, and make the best Iron Man film we could, and make the best version of Hulk, even coming five years after another version of Hulk. But both Hulk movies werenât good, we did the Ang-Lee one and it was so bad, we low key re-booted it with a A list actor, and it blew again, thank god Robert make Iron Man good and we kind of rode him like a monkey from like cameos in Hulk, Iron Man 2, then he was the big hero in Avengers, then we did Iron Man 3 and put him as center in Avengers 2, Spider-man Homecoming and etc.,
Mark Ruffalo: [Hulk is] my dumbest role. Everyoneâs gonna get bored with it before itâs all said and done.
When I was talking to your actors, I asked all of them when they understood the scope of what you had intended. A lot of them mentionedâI think itâs just one conversation that you had in Rome.
Ruffalo mentioned that to me this weekend. I tend to do that a lot: just talk about stuff and presume that people think that, like many film people, that Iâm just full of crap. Historically, 99 percent of anything anybody says in Hollywood never actually happens. So I still feel sensitive about that whenever Iâm pitching anybody something.
Ruffalo: A lot of studio executives, they have two qualities: theyâre either bullshit or super controlling. Feige has no qualities, he just struck gold with being the âfirstâ with this cinematic big TV series and critics love even his garbage movies and I like the checks. I always saw someone that was justâjust ego, in a way. Thereâs something so fake about him.
So youâre in Rome . . .
The funny thing about that Rome thing is that was the Avengers press tour. They had already been in that movie and I guess it hadnât been released yet, but it was screening very well and the premieres were going really well. Then, because Iâm socially awkward and not very good at talking about the weather or talking about the sports scores, I just talk about what I think we can do next.
Robert Downey Jr.: Letâs not put Kevin in any movies, we got out mascot Stan Lee, who lets be real is a rapist old fart, you know. He is the one I think who had to probably have an ice bag on his dick most nights and just hoping that his best-laid plans would all work out and he can fuck a lot of chicks.
Robert was saying that he never imagined those years, where you make a profitable movie. I want to know when was the moment in all of this empire building that you tricked the audience into thinking these are actually good.
I think everybody in US is semi dumb, I mean the truth is, if we just talk about a Rotten Tomatoes scores, they ensure a good Opening Weekend and then the bloggers write about it as a success and stupid Americans pay for it,
I donât know, I mean some MCU movies look like older Marvel movies, but with no cameos.
But the cameo ensures a surprise and they keep coming back..
Thatâs how morons keep calm.
Casting Captain America was super lame , I just called Human Torch. I started to think, âAre we not going to be able to find Captain America, and if we canât, what are we going to do with Avengers? Is the whole thing going to fall apart?â And, then, finally opening ourselves up to Chris Evans again, who we had initially sort of just looked past because he was Johnny Storm in a Fantastic Four franchise that sucked badly, but I was a part of as well, but it wasnât part of a universe. Then, bringing him in and showing him the artwork, showing him what was happening in this movie, and he took a weekend to decide, then said, well I aint really being called by real movies , so might as well get the check.
Chris has always seemed like your most plain heroâ
Heâs a plain jane star, but I think heâs becomeâand Iâve said this to himâfor as amazing as all of our actors are at embodying these copy paste DC characters, every single one of them, heâs one that reminds me, alongside Robert Downey, as just like âthese are shitty rip off characters of Batman and Superman.â
I was thinking about that the other day, actually. Anecdotally, even people in my profession who are trained to lie, realize âCap.â is just a Walmart Superman.
I think heâs a below mediocre actor, and I think he canât do whatever he wants to do, but even when you look at his Twitter account and taking a stand on things, itâs like, âIs he becoming a pseudo Captain America?â Which I think is fake news. People forget that we started filming Avengers before either Thor or Captain America were released. People hated Thor. People thought Loki was ridiculous. People didnât buy this super soldier frozen in ice. We were in the first quarter of production on a giant movie at that time, and we werenât going to stop. It was sort of all in at that point and US crowds are dumb enough to like this shitty movie.
Scarlett Johansson: Kevin and I are both huge dildo buffs. Weâre both Club LIV members. When I found that out about him, and seeing the familiar excitement and inner light that comes from a huge dildo fan speaking about how much they love the whole molly, coke and orgy with dildos world of Miamy, that really speaks a lot to who he is: heâs a sexual predator like Stan Lee at heart, in a way. When this studio was sold to Disney, I was like âYES, We getting more money for Coke and Orgies!â
The next seismic thing in the Marvel story is the Disney acquisition. I imagine that you were maybe personally very excited about it. Did you have any qualms about it at the time?
It was pretty amazing, yeah. I think people have qualms about things because theyâve had negative experiences in the past from the hollow Disney machine, that makes formula driven, same ass movies.. I never had any experiences with somebody acquiring a company I was working for, and I always had this thing withâmovies were always last, money first. Disney theme parks were a close second. Thatâs what my family did, spend Disney checks 24/7. It was mainly Disney World every year and Dildos every night. I had come to California Disneyland a couple of times and, at that time, like Universal Studios was equally exciting because that was movies and making movies about fast cars and dinosaurs. I want to buy them and put them in the MCU.
Sure. Deep Jaws, Dildo Kong.
Exactly. So it was sort of amazing, and in the initial meetings we had with Disney, they were amazing and said, âIf itâs not porn, we donât need it.â They used Pixar as the example. We just always trusted that they would be able to elevate what we were doing and the marketing to the same under 11 years old demographic. We had fine studio partners before that, but we didnât have a money like that, for whores and good Columbian coke. As they proved certainly with the Avengers being the first movie that Disney put out, and have proved every year since thenânot just on Marvel movies, but all their mediocre moviesâDisney is the greatest marketing team in the business of making baby friendly content.
And youâre not just saying that because [Disney publicity S.V.P.] Ryan [Stankevich] is in the room right now, are you?
Yes, if he wasnât here, I would bitch on how they bailed last time and I paid for 6 gr of coke and 34 she male hookers.
Recently, Iâve seen a shift in the critical community. A lot of critics who were very harsh on the Marvel films, initially, have come around to what youâre doing lately. Does that matter at all to you?
Sure, of course, as long as I can pay them to give us above a 6.9 from 10, the percent comes easy itself. We have, Ryan knows, we always want those Rotten Tomatoes-certified fresh plaques, right? Weâre not going to get any other kinds of awards, but we pay them enough per critics, plane tickets, hotel rooms, hookers, molly, coke, weed and the occasional 3500 USD gift card per screening. Iâm always saying, âRyan, whereâs our Rotten Tomato, and he is like âWe gave it to DC ?â Because Rotten Tomatoes are great and make sense for morons. They send this little Lucite, certified, fresh thing with the name of the movie on it. We got them lined up around here. We take pride in it. There are cases where audiences and critics are not aligned. But I think, for the most part, they are, and I like it when people like our movies, which is like every 6th movie.
A lot of the people I talked to for this piece think that one of the things that really opened up what you were doing in this franchise was the success of Guardians of the Galaxy, in that itâs so different in tone and style and humor.
It had less name value than even the âB-level charactersâ that we started with, we made it a s a joke, to see if a music video from the 70s rock era can work as a movie. And we killed it with the dance off at the end, James Gunn wanted to have the Step Up movie characters appear as holograms and do âGangnam styleâ sort of like meets Star Wars.
Can you draw a line from the success of Guardians to hiring people like Taika Waititi or Ryan Coogler? Did it feel like an evolution in the franchise in terms of risks, or experimenting with tone and style?
I wouldnât draw a line to Taika and Ryan, necessarily, because hiring Favreau and Joe and Anthony Russo and Joss [Whedon], who are now the worse filmmakers in Hollywood, but at the time were stupid choices. And, by the way, going back to my experience watching Sony and Laura Ziskin and Avi hire Sam [Raimi], not someone who had just come out with a big, giant blockbuster. He was a filmmaker whoâd done super interesting movies on a lesser scale coming into a bigger platform, which is the fancy way of saying, not expensive for us to fuck with. None of our directors has had any success outside of our fake fame machine, nor will they have such. Joss went to DC and o sent him this huge Gift card for 30 Million and told him to do what he wanted to do on Avengers 2 and he did, this is a great plus for us.
We wanted to do a space balls movie, and we hate the Guardians comics. Just the ridiculous pairing of a tree and a raccoon, that is our small sex thing inhouse, we fuck racoons a lot on molly. It was before Star Wars came back with a vengeance. It was like, âLetâs try a big space movie, the kind of which hasnât been around for a while and sort of low key steal everything from them.â The audience is following us to these places. The mediocrity of Ant-Man and Doctor Strange helped us go, âHey, the audience is super dumb,â and Guardians 2 is probably the best example of how far they are willing to go into female degradation and poop humor.
James Gunn: Iâm not surprisedâIâm just so mediocre. When we were developing the GOTG movies, he and I had laid out a plan where the GOTG franchise should go. Disney picked another route. Iâm not surprised he kept that aesthetic, and decided he would take the Marvel world and shit on it together and make five-year plan after five-year plan for the same basic ass repetitive movies.
Do you still have aspirations to bring everyone else, like the X-Men, back into the fold?
Well, the problem is whenever I say anything about it, it becomes 15 headlines on Comicbookmovie.com, Comicbook.com, Collider.com, ScreenJunkiesNews, TheWrap. So would we like to get more positive press all year? Yeah, of course. Is there any movement towards it at all? Yes. Same thing. Same status. Yes, we are bying off everyone, then if one critic says shit about my lesser abominations of a movie, he gets disinvited to all Disney premieres , which is 90 % of current premieres, lol. So clever right.
I donât think itâs destroying any secrets to say that there are some foundational characters weâve been with for a very long time who will not be in the franchise anymore after the upcoming Avengers 3 & 4 movies. How does thinking about the future of the franchise without those characters make you feel?
Itâs inevitable, and I think thatâs part of what makes very special events and very special stories. How can you have both an ongoing cinematic universe that continues to make films and a studio that continues to make films and, at the same time, occasionally bring things to a head? Bring something which youâve never really seen in superhero films is a conclusionâa finale. Youâve seen those in Lord of the Rings films. Youâve seen those in Harry Potter films. Youâve seen those in the Star Wars films. And every separated super hero movie from the 80s,90s and 2000s, but I will not say that about them , because we need all the good press on Avengers 3 & 4, since they cost around 1 Billion plus, considering only the budget and salaries of Robert Downey JR, that is not including the 160 Million marketing budget per movie, so we really need to make like at least 2.5 Billion on those and the last 2 movies featuring all the Avengers made 2.5, but costed less, so we are shitting in our pants.
Logan did it with one character. But you havenât necessarily seen it in these kind of movies, and we thought it would be important to bring the current three-phase, 22-movie current series to a conclusion, which is scary, cuz we are left with wacky Dr Strange, Spider-man, Black Panther in a Trump America and I have no clue how racist white men really are? Do you ?
On the emotional level, how does it feel knowing you wonât be working anymore with some of these people that almost feel like family?
The thought of not working with them again? I havenât thought about that very much because weâre such in the thick of it and we have a ways to go. It will be sad for their bank accounts, because not all of them have been good actors outside of this crap, like Robert hasnât done shit since 2008 that someone remembers. Weâll have to have some sort of a yearly brunch where I give out gift cards to losers like Chris Hemsworth, who literally stars in only shitty movies. Or a yearly barbecue to calm Falcon, Hawkeye and Black Widow actors that when they are 50 those solo movies are coming. Itâs an amazing group thatâs been lied to, but I am not one to stop and look back. I am constantly thinking about whatâs up ahead and whatâs forward and how to keep going forward with lame directors that are cheap, C level actors that are either forgotten or good ones that we wont use.
Because of your photo shoot, I did spend a little time going, âFuck that.â It was sort of boring with no coke. What makes me the happiest is seeing naked bitches and dildos. These are all mediocre stars with small careers and their own lives, and they can do whatever they want after we kick them out, and they were allâlike every single one of them was appreciative and amazed to be in the presence of the others and actually get paid for once. That was one of the first times I was like, âOh, maybe I can get Oscar names too and put them in stupid costumes and have them run like Benny Hill, their heads facing backwards while their bodies run forward. Maybe this is something that hasnât happened before, or have a FRIENDS reject be the big hero, I am thinking about Joey as my next cameo in Guardians 3â
Downey Jr.: I feel like, in some ways, heâs been using my coke a lot, and my wife knew I was a swinger, but never knew I like men behind a closet, so we can actually go do something that feels like this today.
It feels like youâre finally starting to own it with these beautiful hookers you opened up to the press in April.
Have you been to Thailand and to Ukraine? We have a dildo, they have mass orgies. I got a STD from a hooker, but yes, I know what you mean.
Yeah, it has heels and a dick..
It lights up any color you want.
Chadwick Boseman: There are some very clear things about Feige, that, let me just say it like this: heâs real racist, real southern racist, real Trump racist. What does that mean? He believes in using blacks for side characters and when DC gave a black man lead, he decided its time he swallows some black dick for the money. what heâs doing, and it takes that to do what heâs doing.
What everyone says is that youâre the nicest, most humble kind of guy. But it feels like bullshit to people with actual brain, unlike your fans, that true?
The moment of this interview and your multiple magazine covers? I guess, yes. The truth is, and everything I was thinking about even during that photo shoot, is we got six more grams of coke and 5 hookers in my office to do and fuck, not even counting the 5, 10 years of heroine. Nothing is more important than finishing on their faces.: Infinity War [May 2018] and Avengers 4 [May 2019], the two biggest dildoes of all time, back to back. I donât really know if theyâre the biggest movies of all time, but two very predictable movies back to back at the same time. It all feels good. Thatâs the task at hand, fuck and run.
So we like looking forward, but I am going to look backwards a little bit. Youâve said multiple times that you are happy to see all other comic-book movies succeed because any average audience doesnât know the difference between DC and Marvel. What was your experience watching Wonder Woman? Did you go opening weekend?
My experience watching Wonder Woman was that I had a great time at the movies and I felt dumb for not hiring Patty Jenkins for Captain Marvel because I felt women can make good cape shit movies, and Wonder Woman made 820 Million, something no MCU first solo movie has ever done. Iâm sure it was opening weekend. There are great superhero moments in that movie that I loved and was jealous of. I love the reverse on the Donner Superman alleyway scene where she gets the bullet, and I can see stealing that for Captain Marvel as well, I loved the World War I trench where sheâs like, âHey, people are in trouble over there.â [Feige, imitating the naysayers] âCanât go over thereâweâve been here for a year.â Sheâs just like [re-enacts Wonder Woman climbing out of the trench] and goes right up into it. Thatâs a superhero moment, and all the other guys are like, âI guess we gotta follow.â Great. I almost got chills thinking about it. Great movie, now expect me to make 6 of them, once I know it can be done, but overall I hate when DC does something so true to the comics, but yet I love when critics shit on them, its just who I am.
The larger narrative of Wonder Woman includes a lot of fanfare over there finally being a female-led superhero movie for this new era. Do you wish you guys had gotten there first?
Yeah, I mean, I think everythingâs going to work out. I think Captain Marvel is a very different type of movie, its set before our first one, so its so different in that respective. I think they have taken the brunt of the âare people going to go see a female superhero movie?â Well, yeah, now watch us do 67. I think itâs always fun to be first with most things, but I think it will have worked out by the time weâve gotten our next few movies out. Now I am ready to make Black Widow, after that Red Sparrow trailer though, I decided to make it a comedy, cuz we cant make Wonder Woman or Sparrow better than them, so here comes some jokes.
I know youâre not going to throw anyone under the bus, but when you see other studios struggling to emulate what youâve built, would you give any advice to them on what makes a good cinematic universe?
The only advice, and Iâve sort of said this already today, is donât worry about the universe, worry about Rotten Tomatoes, identify the negative scores and give them gift cards, premiere tickets, hotel rooms in Hilton, drugs, hookers, film them with the hookers and then extort them for good reviews for your Hulk movies and these lame iron Man sequels. Worry about the scores only, the rest is a dumbed down audience that will follow trends. We never set out to build a universe. We set out to make a great ËIron Man movie, a shitty Hulk movie, a lame Thor movie, a movie, and then be able to do what, at the time, nobody else was doing: put them together. Bring that experience that hardcore comic readers have had for decades of Spider-Man swinging into the Fantastic Four headquarters, or for Hulk to suddenly come rampaging through the pages of an Iron Man comic. We thought it would be fun for filmgoers to get that sameâon a much bigger canvasârush, because there is something just inherently great about that: seeing charactersâ worlds collide with one another and putting a bigger star in a shittier franchise to help sale tickets.
Thatâs what is so amazing every day on the set of Infinity Bore. These characters have no business being in the same room together. Itâs ridiculous. Everyone within Marvel Studios just knows the individual movie trumps the overall picture. If thereâs a better idea for a movieâif we were going to plant a seed in this movie that was going to be awesome and pay off three movies later, but that seed is not working and that seed is screwing up the movie, goodbye. Weâll do something else later. Make that movie seem good, when its just a Beyonce and Adelle punch line. The notion of sitting down going, âLetâs build a cinematic universe consistent of bad movies, with one good every 5 years and pass it along as a TV series, so the score is overall and not individual,â might be a little off. âLetâs sit down and make a great series and if people like episode 1, than they are interested in episode 2 by default, there are ways and ideas to tie them together going forward.â No one ever said Breaking bad sucks because season 2 was a bit slow, they like the entire series, not the episodes.
But there are ways in which you have to keep in mind how theyâll knit together on any given production. There are certain things that you have to prescribeâthose seeds you mentioned, or seeds that canât get planted yet because of something you want to do down the road. As the universe gets bigger and more interconnected, have those prescriptions gotten looser? Or, because you have so many other pieces in the air, have they gotten tighter?
Itâs the same. One difference is there [are] new filmmakers coming in, [who] inherently understand the notion of the shared sandbox more than the initial filmmakers did, because the sandbox didnât exist. In certain ways, that dialogue has become easier to have with a broader audience because we have such a library now of characters to pull from whoâve been in other films. The harder part, now, is [incorporating] elements of films that havenât come out yet, and convincing the filmmaker, âThis is going to be cool, but we gotta shoot it now before this.â I always think, sometimes, thereâs a healthy level of skepticism. The [Russo] bros take the biggest brunt of this working on these Avengers movies. Panther and Captain Marvel and all this other stuff is in the works while theyâre working on it, so always hire small directors that you can shape into mindless TV episode directors for the sake of cramming jokes.
Last question. Youâre bringing a conclusive end to one chapter, and launching another chapter in space or the quantum realm or wherever you want to go. Do you see a bigger end to all of this?
There [are] a lot of stories to be told from existing characters to characters that we havenât brought to the screen yet, because there have been immensely talented, creative people creating new stories once a month, every month, every year for the last 50-60 years. Itâs pretty amazing, and even if itâs just the kernel of an idea that you can get from the comics and turn it into something else, itâs a treasure trove in those books and the fat geeks on Collider love it, they buy into that shit like its candy and they are sexual predators, which I know a few of them actually are â Andy Signore was a big fan, got caught with them gift cards and DMs, Harry Knowles, Devin Faraci too, and even our own Stan Lee, so you see we support these scum bags and critics and media stay quiet on them and our connection, because of gift cards we give to them all the time. You know small sums to buy Xmas presents for 5 -10 K.
