We are beginning to really have comparable screen time with VM and the M9 now, and I’d just think it’s funny that VM - even early on at a like for like level - were well respected members of society (more so than the M9 are - which is crazy since they just helped facilitate peace talks), but you were just so much more likely to find them drunk and disgracing themselves at the local tavern.
I love seeing people who haven’t watched C1 assume VM were so much more put together than the M9 when it’s actually the other way around. Sure, the M9 look like a chaotic bunch of dumbasses but VM actually were a chaotic bunch of dumbasses, but with respectable people aura.
Level 12 VM was the Briarwood arc! The whole thing with the cows was right at the start of that! They were just absolutely ridiculous, especially at like for like levels. Percy still had his pact with Orthax. The incident with The Door was during this time. They were well respected when Keyfish happened. Tary and Grog in the shop in Vasselheim. They were level 17 for both of those!
#i mean the chaos thing is true #but also vox machina put effort into being recognised #and while they all had mildly sketchy backgrounds on the whole they had nothing to fear from authority figures? #like vm are how adventuring parties in dnd are recommended to be #you’re supposed to gain favour from important people and establish a home base and all of that #and like… sure vax was in the clasp for a bit and they met percy in prison but extenuating circumstances #they also saved a city and then stayed there #whereas matt gave the m9 plenty of opportunities to establish the same shit #but they ran away from all of them because they’re largely people who fear authority figures and need to stay anonymous for survival #they’re starting to get the respect in rosohna that vm had in emon #but they started a lot later #(and to be fair even vm had political figures who hated them) #(percy just happened to own a city so that goes a long way in letting you do what you want)
I’ve seen a post (that i, frustratingly, can’t find now to reblog) that talks about how the main difference is that VM were largely Somebodies even to start with, while the M9 are basically heroes that grew out of Nobodies - which is so interesting because we also got to start with M9 at level one when they were nobodies, but got kind of dropped in on VM after they were established adventurers! So our audience experience coincidentally maps to the type of characters we’re watching.
It’s a bit like how classical theater was about kings and prophets and princes? and one of the huge upsets in the creation of modern theater was just - why don’t we tell the stories of people who aren’t important? why don’t we shine the spotlight on the common man?
So in VM we have:
Percy - a lord who is basically the king of a minor city-state let’s be real
Keyleth - going to be the leader of her people and also one of the most powerful people in the world, if she gets there. Tiberius used to call her “princess,” and that wasn’t sarcasm.
Speaking of — Tiberius! People forget about him, but he was a member of a wealthy and highly politically important family in Draconia
Later, they have Tary, who also starts off titled - though they learn eventually that he doesn’t have much in the way of actual political clout, but! Still!
This isn’t counting the titles that people acquire, because everyone becomes important and famous when they lead an adventuring life, that’s part of the game! But that’s 4 members who started off, level one, as nobility.
The most “important” person in the m9 at the get-go is probably Jester, and that’s just by proximity to her famous mom. The rest are almost aggressively common in their backgrounds. Fjord was an orphan. Veth was a housewife. Caleb grew up as a farmboy and joined the party already a fugitive. Yasha lived in what even she describes as “the wastes,” and when we met her she was a bouncer in a circus. Beau came from a wealthy background, but when we met her she’d already distanced herself from that - and it’s worth noting that her father is wealthy but not nobility. And as far as influence goes, at the start of the show she was basically a dropout from monk school. They’re not the kind of people anyone expects to save cities and end wars. It wasn’t their job to do it, they weren’t raised to shoulder that responsibility, they’re just a bunch of good-hearted assholes who got their shit together enough to do some amazing things.
I suspect I can help here! Pretty sure the post referenced above is this one, which I wrote circa the episode they returned the Beacon (almost half the campaign ago, now, which is wild to contemplate.)
And yeah, level for level, it is still wild to me just how much VM were disasters day-drinking in the local tavern but projecting this aura of Authority, while the Nein still have such a complicated relationship with it. I keep thinking about what would happen if the Chroma Conclave or its equivalent did attack Wildemount just now.
Because I do think the Nein would step up! I really do. They have grown so much in terms of taking responsibility for things so much larger than themselves, compared to where they were when I first wrote that post. But I don’t think they’d do it the way Vox Machina did–under the general assumption that, “yes, obviously, we’re the people who are Supposed To Take Care Of This, you can all just get out of our way while we do this job (please don’t look at the idiots behind the curtain)”.
I think the M9 would mount up and deal with whatever catastrophe had come their way under the assumption that, if not them, nobody else would–and probably they’re not qualified, and definitely they don’t have to, except there’s nobody actually in charge they trust to do it and it turns out they actually care what happens to the innocent people down below who get squashed by things like marauding dragons.
And yeah, that comparison is endlessly fascinating to me, too.












