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20, Environmental Science, NUI Galway, Ireland Anything I like and anything funny

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Carl: Once Pete and I worked for a company that sold windows. We called people, names taken from the phone book, and every time the boss left the room, I called a customer and said, “Hey, I used to live in that house, you know this place behind the stove? Since two thousand US dollars are hidden there. They are yours.“ I have done that so often, I now feel terrible, people disassembled their kitchens, and I, on the phone: “I cannot talk for long, I’m calling from prison, two million, in the wall in the jutty. I have to go. “I wonder if they really destroyed their homes. Interviewer: I think I’ve heard enough …

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Portraits of Cats Shaking Themselves Clean Photographed by Carli Davidson

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highlights from carl’s podcast

“When we got on stage we were both terrified of getting up there. I never understood people who don’t get any stage fright. We still do to this day. There’s you and your mate on stage and also the feeling of blagging it. And we’d find solace in each other, a bit of comfort in each other”. 

“Pete was big on the performance poetry scene. I was always really impressed with Pete for doing that. I still recite his poems.”

“It was a dream. It was like something else. Waterloo (station) was the gateway from where I’m from into London, and it’s been in loads of my songs and album titles…That was the place. It held such assignment for me. I felt this kind of weird distant belonging. Every inspirational character in my life had a place in there…It just had everything that life and literature and culture and music and art had ever presented to me.”

“Once Pete nicked my shoes. We had the same shoes, and I had to be barefoot. And it seemed like the worst thing in the world. It didn’t occur to me I could probably get away with wearing someone else’s trainers. I could have found some shoes!”

“We were kids then. The reason we’ve been able to come back together now is that we accept each other who we are a bit more. Being accepting that you’re like that, and I’m like this, and that’s alright.” 

“Our differing choices in drugs came between us in quite a big way. The drugs that make you die or homeless…I wanted to avoid and I wanted my friend to avoid, my friend who I cared desperately about. I could’t accept it or work on a clever way or corralling or convincing or counselling…I just went batshit crazy every time.”

“We did Top Of the Pops. And Peter did that classic watching Top Of The Pops at home seeing his band singing his song without him in it and someone else there. And it must have been horrendous for him, man. It didn’t occur to me at the time. It must have really broken his heart and I feel horrible for that.”

(Discussing Peter breaking in to his flat). “It wasn’t our finest hour really. But it’s a testament of our love…our love for each other as brothers and friends that we manage to overcome these things.”

“When he was coming out of Wandsworth (Prison)…I had to get there at the crack of dawn…I just wanted to get to the prison gates and say, “It’s alright, and I’m sorry, and you’re sorry”. When we saw each other… it had always been so highly charged our relationship, ever since we made a pact together back in the days when we first met saying, “It’s going to be all or nothing”. It’s been so emotionally charged, we’ve such a deep investment in each other, that it was was par for the course.”

(About Dirty Pretty Things) “I was happy to have a few things off my own bat which people responded to…And we did have some good times. But essentially I got a lot of my energy for songwriting and performance from the heartbreak and the staggering turmoil that I’d endured, and it was staggering…Just when I felt like I had a bit of closure, we got back together again.”

“We’d spent years communicating through the press, writing little bits in songs to take a dig at each other, or say that we love each other. Just knowing each other would hear them and pick up on them.”

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Carl Barat: ‘we’ve just started to make plans again’

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Hi! Do you perhaps know who the biggest influence were for The Libs put poetry wise? So like their fav poets and poems and poets which they used when creating songs and stuff? I know Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon but are there any others?

I’m not sure about “biggest influence”, but there are a lot of them. i’ll try to tell you what i know… 

Of course as you said it’s Wilfred Owen (Anthem for Doomed Youth) ( and Siegfried Sassoon (Suicide in the trenches ) but also many more poets and writers. William Blake (He used term “Albion” many times, + Peter reads his poems in this documentary which we should not be talking about)

Oscar Wilde  (Salome, Broken Love Song, Narcissist)Rudyard Kipling (Gunga din +  The Man Who Would Be King)

+ also Arthur Rimbaud , Charles Baudelaire , Lord Byron , Jean Cocteau

Love On The Dole takes its name from the novel  by Walter Greenwood, about working class poverty in the north of England during the depression of the 1930s. 

The title of  The Lust of the Libertines was taken from the novel with the same name by Marquis de Sade.Robert Graves ( The Last Post on the Bugle vs The Last Post  by Graves)

+ Babyshambles’ songs:  

References to Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde by Robert Louis Stevensonin  Do You Know Me I Don’t Think So.

A’rebours was inspired by Joris-Karl Huysmans’ novel with the same name from  1884.

Thomas De Quincey’s essay from 1827 On Murder Considered as one of the Fine Artsvs Lost Art Of Murder (which also could contains a  reference to Orwell’s  Decline of the English Murder )

Emily Dickinson: “I took one draught of life, I’ll tell you what I paid, Precisely an existence, The market Price, They said”, vs Doherty’s  At The Flophouse: “I took one draught of life. Paid only the market price”. There is also Emily’s portrait in the  “Broken Love Song” video. 

Brighton Rock  by Graham Greene was quoted in Love You But You’re Green and unreleased song Colly Kibber.Peter told in one interview, that there is a quote from The Naked Civil Servant by Quentin Crisp in Sweet By and By.

Also i should add few facts about TV too.

“What became of the Likely Lads” contains a  reference to the tvshow “The Likely Lads”  from ‘60. Sequel from ‘70 was called “Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads?” and there was a song with such lines in it: (sounds familiar, isnt it)Oh whatever happened to you? Oh whatever happened to me?What became of the people we used to be? Tomorrow’s almost over. Today went rather fast. It’s the only thing to look forward to – The past.

And of course Tony Hancock.  “Up The Bracket” line is from his show («Are you looking for a punch up the bracket? I’ll give you a punch up the bracket»),  Babyshambles’ tour in 2007 “Stone Me, What a Life!”.Lady Don’t Fall Backwards is a fiction novel from  «Missing Page» episode of  “Hancock’s Half Hour”.

Sorry for long post, i just couldn’t stop. But of course it is not full list.

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Carl Barat: ‘we’ve just started to make plans again’

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“Not that Carl’s my lover…” - Peter Doherty

I know you lie, I’m still in love with you…

I know where to find you, my love, at the same old flat by the river….

And you’re the only lover I had, who ever slept with a knife…

You’re gonna be in the dark once again, my love, my love…

And I love every inch of you, yes I do love every single inch of you…

He was my hero, oh yes he was, my hero every inch…

Just say you love me, for three good reasons…

You said that you love me, why don’t you fuck off…

If I have to go, I will be thinking of your love…

If call I must do, to take my love my love to you…

Are you still shaking out all the deadwood from your bed love, like you used to…

On the off chance that you’re listening to the radio, I thought you might like to know you broke my heart…

“I listened to everything. He hid love messages for me in them. We both did that.” - Carl Barât.

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Carl’s smiles and looks over at Peter when he’s behind the piano playing You’re My Waterloo are fucking magic. (x) 

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The lived-in Doherty with his flecks of grey and the surprisingly youthful Carl Barat still do that hog-the-mic-almost-snogging thing that was so much part of their staple – the terror twins, the tar stained lunatics of the chemical post Britpop era, who were so much in love with their ideal and each other that it was literally and breathlessly pouring out of them.

from this review of glasto (via actualcarlbarat)

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This little smile that Peter gives to Carl after the first line of YAMW :)

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This is making me uncontrollably happy.  (x)

Ps. Don’t worry too much everyone from other angles Peter doesn’t look quite as skinny though he has slimmed down a tad more. 

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Earlier today at Paradiso

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Was Peter actually a rent boy?

We’ll never know :) 

there are many different versions of this story told by both of them. For example:

2002

Why does Pete feel the need to make stuff up? ‘He doesn’t make stuff up,’ says Carl. ‘He over-romanticises stuff.’ Come on, what about the rent boy story? Should we really believe you used to make money by shagging old men?‘Look,’ he grins. ‘It lasted five minutes. The agency sent me on one date. I had to pick someone up from John Menzies. He was fat and bald, he looked like (Rough Trade boss) Geoff Travis. I took one look at him and fled.’ So you’ve never actually slept with a man? ‘No.’ And Pete’s never slept with a man? ‘No, he hasn’t.’

2002

Was the recent story about you working as rent boys true?

Pete: “Yeah. It’s in this magazine (gestures to a copy of a glossy gay magazine with their faces on the cover). It was always my ambition to be on the cover of a free gay magazine.”

What was the interview about?

Carl: “It was about sex. I didn’t tell them much. I haven’t done very much …”

their first ever interview:

There was also the small matter of them being rent boys.“We joined this agency,” explains Carl, matter-of-factly. “We thought it was called Aristocrats, but it was actually Aristocats. We thought it was taking women out to the theatre, or escorting them to dinner. But basically it was shagging old men in hotel rooms.“How was that?Pete: “It only lasted for about five minutes. I got all dolled up, but I couldn’t deal with it. I used to push the drinks trolley over and make a run for it.”

Interview for gay magazine Boyz:

In  a recent NME interview you claimed that you’d very briefly worked as 'rent boys’?Carl: We just needed a few bob. We saw an ad in the paper for an escort agency. We thought it was going to be taking people out to dinner and being charming and posh and entertaining. The bottom line was visiting a lot of old men in their hotel rooms.Is that when you boiled out?Carl: We didn’t turn any serious tricks. I’ll give you that much. You should ask Pete about it. He’s more the dark horse…Pete: If people think it’s all some sort of joke then i think that’s how we’d prefer it, because there’s lots of vunerable people out there who haven’t been as fortunate as us - mates of ours - who are still in this weird position. It’s not something to be funny about.Can i ask if you’ve actually had sex with a man?Pete: No, you can’t ask me that. I get asked that all the time, every night some curious kid or whoever. But you can’t ask me if I’ve had sex with a woman either.

From Kids in the riot:

I was working in a bar, selling drugs, working on a building site. Writing poetry in the graveyard shift at The Kings Head and spanking off old queens for, like, 20 quid. I did it a couple of times, yeah. I remember once being taken back to this mews house in Chelsea, right old fucking badger he was. Fucking hell. It was a bit daft actually; I used to fancy myself as the character from Suedehead. As he slept I locked him in his room, tied a pair of trousers over his head and nicked all these American dollar bills out of his drawer. He’s probably still there, with a hard-on, listening to Classic FM

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Where does the NME revelation that Pete and Carl were rent boys fit in? “It’s true, although we asked them not to print that. It’s just the idea of my mum reading it, but I had a good chat with her about it. It was more being a toyboy. We weren’t on the street being taken up an alleyway. We got involved with a weird agency and that was evil cos they really didn’t care. But me and Carl were also working in theaters…Anyway I think selling your arse to an ageing actor isn’t half as bad as selling your arse to a record company.”

What’s this we hear about you once being a rent boy? Well when times are hard duty calls. How long ago was it? When I was 19, about three years ago. How do we know this isn’t just a Shaun Ryder type lie? Cause if it was it would make me a complete scumbag and I’m not and I’m not interested in that kind of pantomime. It wasn’t a very happy time I didn’t really enjoy it.

“los Leeebertinth” thread on org. forum  July 2002  "Explained the rent boy myth once and for all to some eager bucks in beanie hats: “Imagine you’re without prejudice or forged horizons and I’m a lonely old actor. I say ‘can you toss me off for twenty quid’ - and you say…” “Fuck off” “Right, ok. and i say, ‘five hundred quid?’” “Errr”“ And snap - the jobs a game or the games a job.”

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