🥸Reasons why I believe Poppy and Noah are not romantically involved:
- There is clearly no romantic or suspicious material that confirms any kind of relationship. There are no videos, no photos, and no official statements. Nothing transparent or verifiable supports a romantic relationship.
- Years have passed, and there is still no romantic material of any kind. The lack of progression over time is very evident. When something personal exists (even if it’s kept private), there is usually:increased closeness, more natural behavior, and less rigidity over time. With Noah and Poppy, the opposite happened: there was no escalation, no “relaxing,” and no evolution in their interaction. This is typical of relationships that remain strictly professional. There are no private visits outside work schedules or work-related circles, and no continuity outside of a professional context. Any overlap happens because work places them in the same spaces, not because they actively seek each other out. It’s also important to remember that mixing crew does not equal mixing personal lives. They are under the same label and management, so their environments naturally overlap. However, their bond never moved beyond a professional framework, even when they shared the same people around them.If something romantic existed, Noah might avoid public exposure, yes, but maintaining zero private signals for so many years usually indicates real absence, not secrecy.
- Everything connecting them is work-related. Every time they are seen in the same space (with real proof such as photos or videos and confirmed identities) it involves management. This is what’s called a business appearance: a professional, pre-arranged appearance made for work, not for friendship or anything personal. These appearances are meant to build image, reach, networking, and press. In nearly all the crossovers we’ve seen, management (MDDN) is involved, or the dates align with interviews, events, or work schedules. There are no clearly non-work-related events.
- There are no real indirect messages between them. What most fans connect or theorize are universal terms used in alternative music, words that appear in many songs. This is not evidence of a romantic relationship. Bad Omens writes songs collectively, and Poppy writes with her producer. Many of these songs were written before V.A.N.By that same logic, one could claim Ronnie is romantically involved with Poppy simply because he writes his own songs and shares thematic similarities, which makes no sense.
- When Sumerian artists traveled to Brazil, everyone clearly traveled together. Traveling together does not imply personal closeness.At the airport, a male fan was following and calling out to Poppy. She stayed close to Matt and Nicholas, while Noah simply looked back and did not approach her to “protect” her. To me, this was just an uncomfortable situation plus label logistics and normal human reactions, with no romantic or dramatic subtext. On label trips and tours, artists move as a group: same flights, same hotels, same transportation. That’s logistics, not intimacy. The same applies to the tours where she was an opener.
- If Poppy were dating someone, everything she does with her producer would not be acceptable in a traditional monogamous relationship: traveling together, composing together, meeting outside of work, sitting on him in a mv, inviting him on a trip to Australia, visiting his friends’ houses together, him securing collaborations for her, introducing her to his social circle, her saying they stayed at the same hotel in Australia, or that she attends his birthdays in Europe. When you add up physical intimacy, emotional intimacy, social intimacy, and logistical intimacy, it starts to closely resemble a couple dynamic, even if it isn’t officially one. If she had a traditional boyfriend, this would be very difficult to accept.
- Whenever fans claim they “saw her” at a Bad Omens show, there is no proof, no photos, no videos, nothing concrete. The only confirmed time she attended a Bad Omens show (aside from when she was an opener) was confirmed by the Sumerian CEO himself on Instagram (2023). Both were at an MDDN gathering after a Bad Omens show, along with other artists such as I See Stars, Chase Atlantic, and others under the same label. Bad Omens was not in the same room. Once again, management was involved, as the event was organized by KROQ, the Virgin team, and MDDN. All artists had assigned seating. At that time, Poppy had already agreed with Ash to re-sign with Sumerian and had been working with Jordan since February of that year.
- Poppy has mentioned many times that artists such as Knocked Loose, Bad Omens, Spiritbox, Avenged Sevenfold, Evanescence, and Wargasm, etc, are her friends. Coincidentally, these are artists Jordan knows, shares contacts with, or has previously worked with.
- Based on what we can actually see (not what fandom fills in), Noah and Poppy fit far more into a professional relationship than a personal one. They coincided within the same professional ecosystem: shared events, group travel, industry photos, crew, contacts, and friendships. What exists are public, isolated appearances, typical business appearances. Their body language has consistently been distant, and their reactions in uncomfortable situations are very telling.
- Regarding the obvious PR aspect from MDDN: the management did take advantage of the situation, even if they didn’t create it. They didn’t invent a relationship or explicitly promote one, but they allowed ambiguity to exist, which is a PR strategy. They never clarified or denied anything, because silence maintains interest. Coincidences such as shared events, tours, festivals, and industry spaces with cameras helped fuel speculation without pushing anything explicit. Letting fandom create theories, debates, and engagement is beneficial PR: it costs nothing, commits no one, and keeps names circulating. If this had been a strong romantic PR strategy, there would have been more photos, more public interaction, and clearer hints. The fact that it never escalated suggests management let it run but never pushed it. This is industry behavior, not conspiracy.
⭐ 🧚In conclusion, shippers insist because there are information gaps, Noah is reserved, Poppy is mysterious, and the ship needs something to survive. That’s why they exaggerate looks, coincidences, and silence, despite both artists sharing the same contacts under the same management and label. Even if she happened to be in the same place as them, or vice versa, that alone doesn’t indicate anything romantic, it can just as easily be friendship or work-related. Claiming that Noah and Poppy were or are romantically involved is not supported by behavior, only by speculation.
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