I pride myself on making pop music that’s almost ironic. The record that’s coming out, those songs have such a strong pop sensibility because I f*cking love pop music. I’m not afraid of pop music. A lot of artists are f*cking scared of pop music and there’s no reason to be because pop music is essentially popular music. I write about sex and sadness that, in a way, is almost tongue-in-cheek, without being blatantly ironic or blatantly sarcastic. I definitely don’t want to have some kind of schtick.












