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Where is possible to read the full “bad prediction AU” comic?

(its still in the works ^^;)

[jayrockin]

Since I’ve been making you guys wait so long, here’s a teaser of my big Ghost Physics post I’m working on.

Danny’s transformation is catalyzed by his ectosignature (essentially a ghost’s nervous system) attempting to form a ghost body in the same location as his human body. The glowing rings are created by the heat/light of the chemical reaction that transforms his body from regular matter into ectoplasm… he’s basically a tiny transdimensional nuclear reactor. It spreads over his body like flames through a sheet of paper, and smells faintly of chemicals and burnt flesh. So, sorta like getting a perm or bleaching hair? Danny totally smells like a hair salon guys

Also because of ectoplasm’s translucency, you can see rough cross-sections of his human body at certain angles during transformation. That sure is his tibia in the last panel there.

PATREON | KO-FI

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so Danny Fenton is 'dead' by legal definitions, but Danny Phantom is a 1:1 imprint copy of DF onto GZ, in sufficient detail that DPh can remanifest as DF with no loss of identity

Danny Fenton is only as dead as a person who’s heart has stopped during surgery or something, but he does… technically kill himself whenever he turns into Phantom? As in, his physical brain functions are suspended when he goes ghost so that he can atomize and distort the molecules in his nervous system. His ecto-signature is basically a backup of his human brain that he “restores” from whenever he turns back into regular matter and reactivates his human nervous system.

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hyratel replied to your post:

does DPh imprint update/grow with him over time? so will he grow up on a conventional physical timescale, with the offsets of Phantom Time?

This one I’ve figured out less about… since Danny makes new matter every time he transforms, it could follow that his ghost body would age naturally with him aside from the black and white hazmat suit (which is a purely ideological structure and not actually as molecularly complex as real clothing).

Something weird that might happen because of all this: since Ghosts only grow/change their default bodies in abrupt shifts, if Phantom got a “growth spurt” it might physically translate into Fenton’s human body when he turns back? In this scenario Vlad had a similar ghostly growth spurt, which is why Plasmius looks so different than Masters, and he had to master some amount of shape-shifting in order to still appear as a regular fangless human when he turns back. Either that or major ghost-body changes don’t factor into the “coding” for their human forms, in the same way Danny’s hazmat suit doesn’t. It would be pretty funny if Danny destroyed his clothes and made a new hazmat suit every time he transformed though, he would have SO MANY HAZMATS. DANNY BECOMES HIS OWN CLOTHES FACTORY, SELLS THEM ON EBAY FOR 100% PROFIT MARGIN

Also Danny definitely stops aging as Phantom, since going ghost halts his regular biological processes. The more time he spends as Phantom the slower he’s going to grow up and mature, he’ll probably wind up still looking like a teenager in his 20s and have an unnaturally long life. Also if his meat body dies Phantom will probably continue to exist so… Danny is functionally immortal as well?

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shuhei2 replied to your post:

If the ghost zone functions as a filter/barrier between multiple bubble universes, would it then be possible for an intersection between the GZ and an alternate universe separate from OU that would permit the travel of a ghost based on that universe’s organisms to then protect into OU?

On one hand, I’m pretty sure the intersection of two Ghost Zones’ upper plasma shells would release a life-eradicating amount of energy, on the other hand

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How would Danny's ability to turn other people and things intangible fit in with your ghost physics? (It's been ages since I watched the show so I don't remember if other ghosts are shown doing that too.) Also, what about ghosts possessing people?

OOOH SHOOT THAT FIRST ONE MIGHT BE A HOLE IN MY THEORY!

With a lot of energy ectoplasm can force regular matter to behave like itself (which is how Danny does that meat and denim vapor tail), but I described phasing as atomized 4D motion… and if you atomize regular humans they, uh, die? Within this current model I think the only way Danny could safely pull living objects outside of 3D space is through teleportation, aka the more nauseating form of phasing. I guess I could also explain it as phasing all the matter around the person instead of their body, which defies canon but is most plausible; or bullshit up a way for it to be non-fatal, like their nervous system molecules staying close enough together to maintain their brain function. Even if it doesn’t kill you, the latter option sounds like an extremely unpleasant experience…

Honestly, if I were to make Ghost Physics a straight-up AU as opposed to an… elaborate network of headcanons? Phasing non-ghost organisms is one of the things I would trim off of established canon. To me it makes more sense, and creates some interesting scenarios… Trying to phase any regular matter would rattle around its atoms and have some of them swap places, subtly fucking up any phased object. Trying to do it to an organism would result in a nasty burn or death, doing it to stuff like clothes might have slight effects on texture and structural integrity, doing it to stuff like phones and PDAs would wipe their memory (or worse, make them non-functional). The same thing would apply to Danny’s clothes and any object he has in his pockets when he transforms, since he’s literally destroying and remaking them. I hope he’s good at memorizing phone numbers!

For possession, I’m pretty sure I can explain it as a ghost “storing” their normal body in 4D space; then their ecto-signature overlaying, overpowering, and remote controlling a human nervous system instead. It’s… probably actually really dangerous for the host… since the ghost is tugging around on their actual neurons… I can easily see long term possession or “messy” takeovers resulting in death or brain damage :(

To most sensors, Danny’s setup seems identical to possession or even a regular ghost, since he has that characteristic 4D hole to the GZ “behind” him. But Danny isn’t stashing a secret ghost body in 4D space (instead he converts himself into one) and his ecto-signature isn’t repressing his human nervous system, he just thinks with both simultaneously.

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Because time is a trivial concept in a realm where the 4rth deminsion can be manipulated, it's possible that everyones ghost or ghost imprint could exist at all points simultaniously so everything would have an imprint on the ghost zone and ectoplasm would just give the energy for physical matter to interact similarly. So like, everyone is linked to the ghost zone, ectoplasm is just the way of opening that link

I’m only using a geometric fourth dimension, which isn’t related to time any more than our own 3D spacetime is. The most wild time and space distortion probably only happens to particles going a significant portion of the speed of light and whatever the 4D equivalent of a black hole is, not to matter as organized as an ecto-signature or brain. But then again, Clockwork manipulates time in the Danny Phantom universe so…. rubs temples…… ooooouuuugh

Related: I don’t plan to try and explain the reality altering/time control stuff in DP anytime soon because a lot of it is basically magic (even more so than the rest), which is a lot less interesting to me than the basic ghost powers and how they can be exploited.

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The real question here is how does Danny see if his irises glow? wouldn't that fuck up his sight?

I went over this super briefly in The Essay, but basically a ghost’s entire body is their eye/photo-receptor. Technically any ghost can see in all directions at all times, even with their hair and clothing, but most of the information is translated into something a human brain can comprehend and would expect– ghosts are very defined by their self perception. If they expect not to see when they close their eyes, they won’t. Despite this, young ghosts will still be disoriented by their new senses, distinctly feeling something is wrong but not usually being able to place it.

While I’m on about it, other stuff about ghost sight: They detect any photons that contact or pass through their body, so they can even see while invisible. A ghost so inclined could probably learn how to detect other forms of electromagnetic radiation, including stuff like microwaves and radio waves. They also naturally detect trans-dimensional radiation, which is released by all OU matter, so even in complete darkness a ghost would have a sonar-like image of their surroundings. Also, because it moves along a 4D axistrans-dimensional radiation is not blocked by petty little things like walls, so ghosts who figure out how to use this sense consciously can “see” through opaque objects.

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You have explained how invisibility and intangibility could work using 4D physics,but what about "ghost rays"?Do they adhere to 3D rules only or do they function through 4D physics as well?

Ghost rays are ectoplasmic plasma, which is a form of 3D matter and generally behaves like an extremely hot ionized gas should. Although, ghosts have a lot of control over its shape and direction, probably through manipulation of the electromagnetic fields within the plasma. They form ghost rays by drawing stray atoms of ectoplasm in from the Ghost Zone (or by ripping off bits of their own body) and pumping it full of energy until it dissociates into ions. Don’t stare at a ghost ray too long, it’s like looking at a welding torch.

PATREON | KO-FI

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Hey so I read your DP GZ 4-D theory(which was AMAZING by the way~), but it got me wondering,what about the snow-acclimated monsters in the ghost zone that help danny and co. on occasion?I wanna guess they're an evolved intelligent species that learned to thrive in the GZ 4th Dimension?What're your thoughts?also I'm gonna follow you to see more of your stuff :) it's really cool!

I’m not sure if anything in the GZ can… reproduce… in the entire series there is only one mention of ghost procreation (Boxed Lunch) and no other indications that ghosts can have children with each other. Given all that I’d theorize that Boxed Lunch is adopted and ghosts in general can’t reproduce do to the nature of their ecto-signature consciousness, which rules out evolution as a possibility. My guess is that the inhabitants of the Far Frozen and other such tribes in the GZ are groups of older human ghosts that started Hangin’ Out, and after a few thousand years into their immortality they all started to have forms that look like each other and a cohesive culture.

Civilization in the GZ outside of these few pocket societies is unstable at best. It’s sorta like a physical version of Second Life: everybody has control over their appearance and environment, and a lot of repressed issues and trauma that almost none of them are dealing with properly. Someone please send a naval fleet of therapists into the GZ so they can all sort out their shit

[jayrockin]

Since you said that self-perception is a big influence on a ghost's form, does that mean that ghosts like frostbite are furries

I mean Frostbite and the Gang are hundreds if not thousands of years older than the modern furry subculture, and we as a species have been mashing together human bodies with bits of other animals since we were capable of artistically representing it, but also:

Yes.

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@gracefulleopard asked:                    

Would it be possible for a ghost to go intangible, through a wall or object, and then return to tangibility while still inside the physical object? Or would there be some sort of instinct/fail-safe type thing that prevented them from doing so until they were clear of the obstruction?

In short, there doesn’t need to be a instinctual fail-safe because they just wouldn’t be able to do it! Matter hates existing in the same place as other matter. If a ghost tries to unphase in the same space as other stuff, the stuff either compresses, is displaced, breaks, forcefully ejects them, or they are trapped in their phased state.

PATREON | KO-FI

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As much fun as people have talking about Danny getting the crap beaten out of him and hiding bruises and injuries, I’m not certain ghosts CAN be traditionally injured? At least in the context I’ve built up for Ghost Physics… Like, Danny is essentially injuring himself whenever he rips his face in half to dodge something, or when he forms a spectral tail. If you can atomize and reform your body with no consequence, then physical damage is almost meaningless.

Ghosts are very defined by self perception, so most can be convinced into thinking they’re physically injured and experience pain from it, but the only surefire way to hurt one is by targeting their ectosignature nervous system. Energy attacks seem to be most effective, maybe because the energy can travel through a ghost’s 4D connection to the GZ and stun their nervous system? Disrupting the 4D connection would also work well as a non-physical attack, or on the same note “hijacking” a ghost’s body by overriding the signal from their ectosignature and telling the mass to do something else (probably how the Fenton Thermos works)

Danny definitely gets bruises and injuries in human form, mostly from bullying, I’d imagine… I’m not sure if they’d heal at an accelerated rate on their own, but turning into Phantom or atomizing and reforming his human body could heal them instantly as well, so… Danny is terrifyingly unkillable? The most damage he’s gonna sustain from ghost battles is sleep deprivation and uhhhhhh probably PTSD

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I did that speculative junk what I love to Steven Universe. Basically, gems look like semi-transparent hologram dolls with visible energy lines (sorta their nervous system?) and homeworld gems have almost robotic looking bodies designed for pure function and/or an alien aesthetic appeal. The Crystal Gems assumed humanoid forms a few hundred years ago so that they are less terrifying to humans. Steven has the glowy glowy nerves too, but his opaque meat body normally hides them.

PATREON | KO-FI

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I’ve been hoarding Danny Phantom doodles to myself for months, but I thought you guys might enjoy them so…. dumps a box full of them onto the floor

PATREON | KO-FI

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Question: is ghost a single species or an entire trans-dimensional beings? Do they have their own plants and animals? So, if they do, then doesn't it mean that ghosts eating ghost animals is more like us eating meat and not exactly cannibalism?

“Species” is sort of a meaningless term for ghosts, since they don’t traditionally reproduce and can radically change their body plan on whim. Ghosts do have a species of origin, many are based on a human brain template, some based on animals, some are so old and eldritch it’s difficult to tell. The only organisms besides humans and animals in the GZ are location-appropriate plants for the various lairs in GZ, which honestly I’m not sure are organisms as much as they are like… convincing house decorations made of ectoplasm.

Arguably the ghost themselves are the plants here, they don’t need to eat because they just absorb trans-dimensional radiation and other forms of energy. The physical stuff they make themselves out of is also just absorbed, drawn in from ambient ectoplasm or through their 4D hole. Ectoplasm’s behavior is extremely flexible, so ghosts can convert it into any kind of atom they need. Technically a ghost could eat/absorb another ghost’s body, but it would be a lot of work for something they’re already doing unconsciously.

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Re: ghost physics, how do humans exist and interact with GZ space?

Yet more reasons I’m tempted to make Ghost Physics an AU: I think it would be really interesting if humans needed a protective suit or at least an oxygen supply to enter the Ghost Zone. Also human interaction with the GZ in the showis really dumb and inconsistent t b h, so I‘d rather worldbuild for an AU version.

In case of AU the Ghost Zone is super inhospitable to humans because all the gases in it are forms of ectoplasm, which humans cannot metabolize like O2. Ectoplasm is also prone to extreme swings of temperature and energy emission. Its default state is as an energy thief, sucking energy and heat from regular matter; but under other conditions it can release massive amounts of stored heat and energy. It’s an extremely volatile place– basically either freezing or plasma-hot.

For this AU I think I’d scratch the whole humans-are-intangible-in-the-GZ thing because it’s very inconsistently portrayed. So: because humans aren’t making a 4D hole in connection to their brain like ghosts are in OU, 4D motion isn’t possible for us. We are wherever we are taken along the 4D axis, and are stuck there until we are moved. Likewise, ghosts can’t go intangible in the GZ (which is actually consistently canon) because the 4D hole to their brains is much shorter there, and only goes in the direction of the dangerously energetic plasma soup layers of the GZ where the ectosignatures live. If they attempted 4D motion while in the GZ it would burn their bodies really bad.

Sorta related: ingesting ectoplasm is a great way to get sick. At best your body has no idea what to do with it and it passes somewhat harmlessly through your system. At worst your body mistakes it for an element/molecule of regular matter it resembles, uses it for its perceived purpose, and traps it in your body (similar to how heavy metals can accumulate in bone). It’ll then just sit there, sapping your heat and energy like an unmeltable ice cube.

Jack and Maddie absolutely have the right idea about wearing hazmat suits :s