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in the north, a great chieftain is called 'warmother.' who but a mother has the right to risk lives in war?

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illustrative image because i was thinking about how sex would be perceived in the freljord. also i love sejuani

the above moment is from the comic, and they're still teenagers (there's no actual age that i remember, but from looks i'd put them somewhere around 16ish) throughout the story, so i think it's fair to assume it's not uncommon for people around this age to already be sexually active. more importantly, nothing in the dialogue suggests this would be wrong or frowned upon despite them not being in a relationship, which leads me to think sex isn't a taboo topic, and virginity doesn't matter at all.

i tried to look for information about how cultures the freljord is inspired by, like the vikings, would've seen the topic, and i found nothing too concrete or from sources i can say for sure are reliable, but everything i read suggests it wasn't a taboo topic either, especially because privacy could be scarce among a people who lived in very close communities. from what is said about how tight-knit communities in the freljord are, i think that still holds truth — and that while the avarosans might have a little more privacy with their permanent, stone-built homes, especially when out camping or in the more nomadic groups, there's not that much privacy when you're sharing a tent surrounded by many others.

something i think although brief, this part of the narration also suggests. it's very casual in how it says 'yeah grena took him to her bed thrice and he sired all three of her children' and people knowing that — which is why it's largely assumed yrael was ashe's biological father, even if ultimately that doesn't matter. it does stay in line with the whole idea of little privacy in a very close community, as well as with the idea of sex being seen more casually and not at all as something taboo to discuss. (also sidenote to mention the wording, because she says he was 'honored' and i think it makes sense given her mother's status as warmother, as well as the fact she had many husbands; the idea picking one to sleep with her would be an honor feels like it tracks tbh. not entirely the same but it made me think if tryndamere being ashe's only bloodsworn would also be seen as an honor — one i imagine many people wouldn't approve of being given to him, considering how he's treated by some of the avarosans. anyway. that's a whole other topic)

ashe's just baiting him there and bidding her time (although i do think before this, in a different situation..... they both probably thought about it....... anyway) but ashe's line also suggests it would be expected that, once swearing himself to her, he'd share her bed (which makes sense considering they'd be married but i want to point it out anyway!). when she did get married, she would've been aware of the expectation she would sleep with tryndamere, even if it was an arranged marriage. on top of that, as iceborn and most importantly warmother, it's expected she'll have children eventually who'll succeed her. it was not a matter of if; it was a when. and mars got me thinking about how ashe would go about that part of their relationship.

considering what i said before, about how sex doesn't seem to be a taboo topic and casual sex doesn't seem to be frowned upon, i think that's also how she'd feel about it mostly. i do think ashe would need some time and to be somewhat fond of him, if not in love with him, to want to sleep with trynd. she doesn't need it to necessarily be about love and intimacy; she's okay with it being just because they're attracted to each other and like each other well enough. which led me to think depending on how he feels about it, they'd probably have slept together before they fell in love with each other.

it also got me thinking that it would be different, however, once they do have feelings already — especially before these are made explicit. it just. becoming a lot more intense because it's so emotionally charged. anyway. that wasn't my point i just care them. i just think it'd be likely they slept together before they were really in love with each other because it'd make sense with what we see of their culture and how it seems to be open about sex; but that it'd also be different and more meaningful once they are actually in love with each other.

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Tomorrow is a hope... never a promise.

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ashe in base verse wanting to unite the freljord and make the lives of her people better and ashe in high noon wanting to save humanity regardless of them deserving it and ashe in spirit blossom deciding to guide the lost and

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need sb morgana lore to know what it means for ashe that they traded places..

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she's so!!

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talking about high noon in irelia's blog made me think about high noon ashe and irelia would resent her but the beef would be so onesided ashe would simply be happy to learn there is an angel still alive (and then disappointed when irelia proves to be. hm. a little too ruthless)

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i find these interesting. with the avarosan's approach being significantly more pro-peace and dialogue, aurora's line is... idk. the unity ashe seeks isn't one imposed through conquest — by now she has the greater numbers, she could be forcing other tribes to submit, but she's not. ashe definitely uses other tools to her advantage; she does use the legend surrounding her to reach that goal and bring people to her cause, but my point is she's not trying to simply group up everyone whether they like it or not. there is some common ground, there is the willingness to follow, and there is the attempt to forge that into something more through her leadership and what she defined as her tribe's ways.

this isn't criticism to the character or even the line itself. i think it's perfectly plausible that aurora simply doesn't see it that way or doesn't agree with how ashe does things, it just got me thinking thoughts. in a situation where they met and this was said to her, while i don't think ashe would sincerely accept the criticism as valid because of the reasons above, i do think she'd be very open to hearing what, then, would aurora thinks is wrong/could be improved and how.

but i also think that, even then, ashe is very practical despite her idealism. she aims for something most of her people think is impossible, but the means she uses to reach that goal are rather realistic. so maybe in theory things could be done differently, but when ashe's ways are already considered so divergent from freljordian tradition, she's well aware there's a limit to how much change you can implement at once. i don't think she believes her way to do things is perfect, but that even if 'her execution is lacking' doing what can be done in a feasible pace is better than not acting because no execution will be perfect.

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i think it's a very interesting aspect of her character that ashe herself doesn't believe fate or that she is avarosa reborn but at the same time she's not above using that belief she knows others have to make herself heard and achieve her goal to unite the freljord. if they need her to be avarosa for them she'll be avarosa for them, even if she doesn't genuinely think she is.

i always think it's also interesting in regards to her relationship with tryndamere considering he believes it — knowing she doesn't, because there's nothing i think she'd hide from him. not that he doesn't love her for who she is or that he doesn't believe her regardless of who she might have been before, but the fact the three sisters are revered as divinities and the idea of being married to someone who is. that.

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thinking about ashe........

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I want them comfortably married and happy and bickering over their morning beverages and also I want them to fuck nasty on the living room floor because they can't wait another second

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rewatched still here. am unwell again

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idk it's some spicies

ashe is very patient and controlled. don't play 'let's tease each other and see who gives in first' with her; you'll lose.

she, on the other hand, very much enjoys taking her time. big on edging

she enjoys the teasing and control combo in general. stuff like making her lover watch until she says they can touch or generally deciding what the other can or can't do to her and to themselves

doesn't tend to be submissive. could be, maybe, depending on the partner. but even in canon and with tryndamere who she loves and trusts completely, that's still not a given. she just enjoys it more to be on the dominant side of things

that doesn't mean she's always controling. sometimes (a lot of the time!) it's nice to just. let things happen and see how it goes.

she's very affectionate though... lots of loving touches and kisses during plus cuddling after

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kinda silly..

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i think ashe is the only muse i don't have a music verse for bc i just said ocean song would be her modern verse but. musicverse ashe...

[warmothered]

utterly   soaked   does   the   defeated   duelist   come   to   her   with   tail   tucked   between   his   legs   ,   gaze   fixed   on   the   foam   helmet   arms   hug   in   front   .   he   stops   before   where   she   reclines   in   now   twice-disturbed   calm   ,   and   after   a   few   empty   seconds   that   he   hopes   she   will   fill   (   she   does   not   )   ,   tryndamere   raises   his   eyes   slowly   .   ❛   wifey   …   ❜ - trynd

❝ Don't even start, ❞ There is no harshness in her voice, but neither is there softness in her demeanor. The look Ashe gives her husband is utterly unimpressed, not with his defeat — which, all things considered, she finds fitting — but with his antics, and the eagerness with which he had sought to duel against Fiora.

❝ I know exactly what you're trying to do. ❞ The attempt at demure behavior is more endearing than she wishes to admit, even knowing it is purposeful. Tryndamere expects it will appease her.

Regretfully, it does, reluctant as Ashe might be to admit it.

A heavy sigh, as she reclines again after sitting up, disturbed by the commotion caused by his duel. The pleading look in his eyes disarms her completely, though, and Ashe finally gives in to him. ❝ Okay, fine. Come here. ❞ Softened gaze upon him, her lips curl into a subtle half-smile, tinged with the teasing tone of her next words. ❝ But for the record, I think you deserved to lose, my love. ❞

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she looks so done