Asks are open!
If you want to know something about Wyvara, their culture, biology, society, or anything in the world of Where We Land please shoot me an ask!
YOU ARE THE REASON

No title available

ellievsbear

pixel skylines
The Bowery Presents
𓃗
NASA
almost home

blake kathryn
"I'm Dorothy Gale from Kansas"

tannertan36

@theartofmadeline
hello vonnie
Claire Keane
The Stonewall Inn
Game of Thrones Daily

shark vs the universe

oozey mess

gracie abrams
RMH
seen from United States
seen from United States

seen from United States
seen from United States

seen from United States
seen from United States
seen from United States

seen from United States
seen from United States
seen from Bangladesh

seen from Belarus
seen from Spain

seen from United States

seen from Mexico
seen from Israel
seen from United States
seen from Peru

seen from Germany

seen from Peru

seen from Spain
@where-we-land
Asks are open!
If you want to know something about Wyvara, their culture, biology, society, or anything in the world of Where We Land please shoot me an ask!
Showing off how Wyvara get embarrassed. They'll put themselves intentionally off balance to show they weren't being aggressive or defiant. Typically lifting the wing and foot closest to the thing that embarrassed them
Showing off how Wyvara get embarrassed. They'll put themselves intentionally off balance to show they weren't being aggressive or defiant. Typically lifting the wing and foot closest to the thing that embarrassed them
a doodle of brooke & john from @where-we-land
thanks again for sacrificing them to me :)
What are some ways humans touch/interact with wyvara and how are they seen? We have the picture of John grabbing Brooke's snout — how is such a gesture seen by wyvara? Is it considered proper or improper? Is there any issue with humans assuming certain boundaries, lacking others, or making strange assumptions? What's the most common way that wyvara react to this? Conversely, what are some ways that wyvara might cross human boundaries?
Most of the confusion and miscommunication comes from just mismatched expectations and cultural norms. Like, wyvara brains just kinda go, "person touching me, with... hands? Hands intimate??? aaaaaa!!!" without really thinking, "oh this is an alien. with different cultural and biological setup." So Brooke at least gets over it pretty quick and John tries to respect the cultural boundaries of Brooke and other wyvara he meets.
Wyvara who have been around humans a bit will normally lower their heads a bit to talk to humans. Both to be polite and get on more of an eye level with the person they're talking to but also to try and not be as intimidating. Wyvara are kinda scary looking to humans(I do draw them cute and anthropomorphized though haha)! So touching/hugging a wyvara face is a pretty normal interaction. Wyvara also kinda have to learn that, unless you know a human, don't touch them unless they initiate.
So based on this, John grabbing Brooke's head is pretty normal. Brooke is allowing it to happen, and she isn't really being manhandled or anything like that. More being turned to be shown something. Also not touching anywhere considered "intimate." Wyvara are a lot more tolerant and do casually touch a lot more than humans so the is pretty normal.
A couple of weird things that happen with human assumptions is that, like stated previously, how comfortable wyvara are with being touched means that you can just touch them wherever. Handshakes are a common faux pau that humans do. Hugging the base of the neck/covered fluffy chest(kinda like groping someone to wyvara). Touching wings/shoulders also(adjacted to groping, kinda a more intimate place to touch). But to be fair to us humans its hard for us to reach other places sometimes haha. Mostly wyvara react with a mix of embarrassment, anger and being generally uncomfortable. If they are surprised by it they might make a barred teeth snap at you(not trying to bite but a really basal "get away!" reaction). If you really really surprise them you might get a wing slap(which from a wyvara, uh, i wish you a speedy recovery).
As for wyvara crossing human boundries. The biggest on is personal space. Wyvara are a lot less strict about personal space than humans are. So wyvara getting nosey(literally) with a human is very common and can make people very uncomfortable. Having a 10+ ft tall dragon bird horse with a head bigger than your torso so close is scary! Wyvara also sniff things. They have better sense of smell than us but not anywhere near dog levels. They can recognize people based on smell if they've spent a long time with them and the person has spent a long time at a place(For example, your wyvara friend could tell if a house was your house by the smell.) And getting sniffed is considered really weird and maybe even rude to humans, but is pretty normal for wyvara. Looking at or engaging with an accessory/piece of clothing also is something wyvara do when they want to compliment you. But someone getting close and staring at your new earrings, maybe even messing with them with their big horse lips is really uncomfortable! But the wyvara is just trying to be nice and is saying "I like these! They're interesting!"
What does Wyvara courtship generally look like? Are there any courtship practices that have existed for a long time relatively unchanged? What sorts of things are seen as largely romantic and sweet vs what things give off the vibe of coming on too strong/being kinda creepy? :oc
Wyvara are a lot more culturally physical than humans are used to. Nuzzling and physical contact are a lot more socially accepted as greeting/casual contact. It crosses the line into flirting when more intimate areas are touched. The fluffy chest region between the wings and arm shoulders is considered similarly to female human breasts are. Hands are also considered pretty intimate. Touching another's hands, especially your own, is a pretty intimate act in wyvaran culture.
Touching below the chin and but above the shoulders is considered pretty normal "I don't know you the best but I like you like you" behavior with anything deeper than that would be more akin to getting handsy with someone.
Courtship as a whole is kinda weird for wyvara. Due to their weird kinda two sexed but also unisex cycle they have going on, anyone could have a kid with anyone. So most of the time, wyvara relationships grow out of extremely close friendships. Wyvara are primarily monogamous with some smaller island communities being polyamorous.
As for things that haven't changed, either literally or symbolically incorporating part of your partner into yourself. Typically done by imping one of their crest feathers into yours or more symbolically with a piece of feather jewelry.
For being "creepy," kinda the same stuff we would find creepy. Taking feathers is something that trips up a lot of humans when they first start interacting with wyvara as that is considered a really creepy or forward thing to do depending on how the wyvara wants to take it. The human usually think, "oh yo sick cool feather from my friend :D" and don't think about the connotations.
Curious as to what wyvara color vision is like. Any hues they can/can't perceive compared to humans?
Wyvara color vision is semi similar to humans. They can see more into the blues than we can with a little bit of UV. Their brightest perceptual color to them would be green and the darkest being orange. They'd have a hard time telling apart reds compared to us. They can see a little bit of UV while we cant. A majority of what wyvara can do better than us is hearing. They have super sensitive hearing compared to us and to wyvara, hearing is on par in perceptual importance compared to sight.
Introducing Brooke(Keen wyvara, She/Her) and John! Brooke is hosting John as a part of one of the first open cultural exchange programs between humanity and wyvara. She's a pretty introverted person, shy and anxious. Her parents had badgered her about it being "good for her future career" and to "get out of her cave once in a while would be good for her." John is quite the opposite. He's quite the opposite, very outgoing and explorative. He likes experiencing new things and forcing his host to participate. For lack of a better terms, he puts her in Situations™. It's good for her and enrichment for him.
They are open to answering questions about anything!
What colors can wyvara be? Are there different patterns that their feathers come in?
Wyvara can be a lot of colors! Mostly very earthy browns, yellows, reds with countershading in lighter colors. They can dip into grays or gray/blue as well. Their scale/skin is usually a tan, gray or brown.
For patterns, they can vary a bit, but I haven't thought too much about ethnicities yet as I don't have a map nailed down to start building them out but the wyvara in the species ref is kinda like the generic white guy.
Have you drawn anything illustrating how Wyvara express their emotions? I'm curious what differences they have to how humans emote, and if anything typical of your art is a cartoon-ism as opposed to a way they actually emote :o
I do draw them a lot with very anthropomorphized expressions and that is something I do need to do less of but its just so fun haha! As for how they look in their more "real" emotions this is a rough chart:
Humans can struggle a bit with recognizing certain stuff as a lot of it is head and crest placement. Most of the time, people unfamiliar with wyvara will kinda just assume their really bored or annoyed with them.
What domestic livestock exist? how do they differ from the wild species? what different breeds are there?
(Wyvara and John Human just for scale)
Thank you for your question!
Wyvara don't have a a lot of terrestrial livestock. The one main one they have is the Harpy. They kinda co-evolved with wyvara in a symbiotic relationship. Wyvara would follow these guys between islands as wyvara didn't have any internal navigation that would allow them to find or remember where islands were. As they did this, wyvara would be rewarded for generalist and novel food gathering techniques. So intelligence began to be selected for to help them maximize the amount of food they were able to find on a per island basis, as well as remember what islands had what, how to get it, what was safe and also to communicate that information to their offspring and rest of their groups.
As time progressed, wyvara did as well. They started mapping the routes themselves, and using their mimicry, began to take an active role in steering these herds of Harpy. The story of the harpy and wyvara is as closely entwined, if not even closer than humanity and the dog. Although, do not be mistaken as these are more livestock than member of the family. There are people who do keep them as pets, but more in the capacity of very small hobbyist backyard farms as they need several other flock members or they become very stressed.
The harpy is essentially a super omnivore. Anything the wyvara couldn't, or wouldn't eat, the Harpy would.
Harpies are named such, as they have large, over productive feather oil glands underneath both of their wings that reminds humans of, well, breasts. Wyvara have selectively bread these animals for overproduction of said feather oil. It is a common ingredient in cooking as a fatty oil(kinda like olive oil or butter).
There are no longer any "wild type" harpies left. They sadly went extinct. But wyvara have created an insane amount of variation in breeds in Harpies. Some more sustainable than others. Pictured above, the top harpy is a fancy show breed, specifically for competition. While the bottom one, is the more traditional "if i asked a wyvara to picture a harpy in their mind this is what they would think of" harpy.
Enjoy some sleepy Wyvara doodles while I'm away for Thanksgiving. These are some pretty common sleeping positions. Little detail that isn't shown in the art, the under wings position's head is being held by their hands as a pillow/headrest.
ArtFight sketchbook attacks! (The last one wasn't posted due to AF rules but it belongs here nonetheless.)
Characters belong to: @cinnacreates, @randyvouz, @snugleaf, @nellas-art, soupcat345, 711Kevin, @plushieanimals, Lifenoodles, @zomg, @crypticsketchpad, @cow-legs, @lumpybells-art, @brothermanwill, @abraca-mari, @squiddlyn, @steeviedee, @zyhod and @asimplechaos!
Wyvara Gender!!!!!! Pictured is a Keen on the left and a Brawn on the right.
Despite being unisex(bidirectionally changing between a biologically 'male' and 'female' state depending on an internal cycle and environmental factos), Wyvara have two primary "genders"(Its weird, half caste(?) half gender). Keens and Brawns. This gender, rather than being tied to any physical aspects of themselves, is tied to their occupations. Wyvaran occupations are not set in stone either, so Wyvara do "change their gender" if they move to a different position. Wyvara children aren't gendered until they demonstrate a proclivity towards hobbies of one gender or the other. Until then, they are referred to as a generic "Child" pronoun. This originally arose from the power dynamic between Beastmasters and other clan members then the settled people emulating their Clans. Keen positions are those that primarily mental/personality focused(bureaucrats, programmers, accountants, leaders, scientists, lawyer). Keens are expected to be more lithe, calm, level-headed, considerate, smart, proactive, problem solvers and innately curious. Keen hobbies include, word games(wordle, connections, etc), puzzles(sudoku, picross, etc), videogames, hobby programming, card/board games(ranging from monopoly to twilight imperium style. Brawns do play board games but its mostly expected they would enjoy simpler ones), debates, astronomy, photography and cooking. Brawn positions are those that primarily work with their hands and body(trades, carpentry, construction, police, janitor, retail worker, factory work, trucking, pilots). Brawns are expected to be more strong, bold, brash, eager to prove themselves, social climbers, more aggressive. Brawn hobbies include playing music(not writing it), going to the gym, dancing, sports, hiking, sewing/knitting, martial arts, blacksmithing, and art. Keens are expected to dress more heavily, more jewelry and bulkier/movement restricting clothing. Brawns are expected to wear less and simpler clothing, little to no jewelry, and for clothes to show off their strength(think Wyvara version of muscle shirts and tank tops). These genders do exists on a spectrum to Wyvara but only so far. For example, an armchair general in the army would be considered Keen with Brawnly aspects, giving them more leeway into breaking gender norms. Vice verse would be the owner of a small woodworking business. They would be considered a Brawn with Keenly aspects. There are progressivist movements in Wyvara society to get rid of the dichotomy entirely or to at least adopt a neutral 3rd adult gender. There are many different names as what it should be and represent is hotly debated, but the most common one is Weaved. A weird example of this is how Wyvara write and play music. Composers are considered Keens while musicians are considered Brawns. As a Wyvaran, you definitely can compose your own music and play it but you would be considered "a bit fruity" by more conservative parts of Wyvara society. Traditional bands will have one or two Keen music producers that will write the music for Brawn performers to play. Brawns are also encouraged to seek out Keens as partners. This is because, traditionally, it would be them moving up societally. Going from a physical labor job to that of a mentally focused job would pay more, provide more free time and be easier. Its not expected that only Keens and Brawns couple but typically for Brawns its considered by conservatives "settling for less" to partner with another Brawn
The best way I can TLDR is: Stemmed from shamanistic knowledge reverence that got coopted by town leaders and administrators into being a way of codifying a psedo-nobility(?). This influence trickled down and codified the two work genders and the no no bad non-binary zone between them to help cement their positions.
Current Wyvara gender politics below
Follow up from the last post about couples imping feathers with some slightly older art of a wyvara couple cuddling in a relaxing clearing. Holding hands in wyvaran society is a pretty intimate gesture! You have to be so close to your partner and its only something serious couples do.
Also slightly related wyvara factoid, wyvara can loaf!
Question about wyvara!! Are there any prominent counter-culture movements? How do they dress/what's their ideology?
Hi!!! Thank you for being interested in my world! I really love your stuff so seeing you enjoy mine means so much to me.
There's a a fair few things that can be lumped under the umbrella of counter culture in wyvara society, a few are being expressed above!
Stripped crests are a common way of ingratiating yourself as a member of "punky" groups. More hardcore people will fully strip their crests while some simply burn away parts of the feather to create patterns and shapes. This is done on either crests or flight feathers(so long as you don't have to fly anywhere in the year or so!).
Their clothes are also styled after the Morbidist fashion movement. Wyvara are a lot more squeamish, culturally and psychologically about blood and death than humans are. Depicting it in media is on a similar level to sex in our cultures. This, combined with some wyvara religious beliefs about death, and the body post death, has resulted in a taboo of depicting death. So these two wyvara are wearing red and white, fairly edgy colors in this context as they are evoking muscle and bones. Many Morbidists will use bone shaped ornamentation on their bodies to accent this. Typically, these are simply made of hollow wood or other materials but some of the more hardcore will source bones and craft their own jewelry. Getting a hold of them ethically is tough and wyvara typically will raise eyebrows and make comments/assumptions if you want to buy bones for non-cooking/eating reasons.
The wyvara on the left also has an imped feather of an animal on the right wing. While imping is a common practice in wyvaran society, it is almost exclusively reserved for medical procedures or, primarily, for courtship. The way wyvara view pieces of the self means that imping a partner's feather into your body essentially means you are carrying part of their soul with you. This is subverted by using animal feathers to go against both that tradition, and the idea of a traditional continental monogamous relationship. Also, its just cool to graft an animal soul onto yourself!
Feather dying is common but way less of a counter culture thing to do. More like, something a little more extreme you can do to express yourself if that makes sense.
As for general ideology, similar to humans. Pushing norms, DIY, inclusivity, etc. There is a lot of gender related counterculture stuff that was boiling under the surface that kinda blew up post contact(and a lot of other societal stuff too) with humanity but I'll save that for a dedicated gender related post since its kinda complicated and I don't want to overload this post. A lot of recent political counter culture has been stealing and lifting ideas from human culture in an attempt to just, try something completely different than what wyvara have done in the past. This picking and choosing from our history is not done as respectfully as it should and almost never has the context it needs as human culture and media is still spreading, slowly but surely into the wyvaran cultural conscious.
I'm not super great at designing clothes but hopefully I got the vibe across. Thank you again for submitting an ask! If you have any follow up questions feel free to reply and I'll for sure answer.
Ooh, I'm curious as to what education/childrearing looks like for Wyvara! (btw your setting is super awesome <33333333333333333)
First off, thank you for the compliment! That mean so much and thank you for being interested in my work!!
Wyvara come out of the egg pretty developed. They're able to walk around and at least mostly keep up with their parents. They are mostly just, really smart cats that have a bottomless stomach that they will try to fill with anything that can fit in their mouths. They look like this!
Their arms are much larger proportionally than their adult form, lacking their iridescence and smaller ears. They use these to grab and hold onto parents during flight. But they will just grab and hold onto anything, even stuff you just hand them.
As for care, its mostly just carrying them around, feeding them small enough bites of food and making sure they don't kill themselves until they become less, instincts and more thinking person at around 2 years of age. Once they hit 2, they're wrapping their brains around talking and learning their language. From 2-4 they start growing a bit more, crest comes in as well as flight feathers. At around 5 they are put into general education. Learning just general knowledge, math, grammar, history, literature, etc. Similar to our grade school. Then at 12, they are at about 80% of their full size. Over the next few years, between 12 and 15, wyvaran schools shift from general education to specialization focus and sampling. Wyvara will sample and solidify what they find interesting and once they do, they can leave school to pursue a specialized education. Typically they will take one to two years of classes at a dedicated institution while conducting an apprenticeship.
As for child rearing specifically, wyvara are a lot more communal that we are. In modern wyvaran society, as described in the hygiene/showering post, the floor or communal home would be assist, or at least expected to, assist. As taking care of a child is a lot of responsibility, explicitly watching over them isn't asked upon lightly and repeated babysittings without any sort of reciprocation by the parents would be considered very bad mannered.
Wyvara are considered pretty independent at around 10 years of age but aren't legally "Adults" until they officially are able to support themselves financially so usually anywhere between 15 and 20 with sexual maturity occurring around 18 years of age(their iridescence comes in and they start their bidirectional sex change cycle).