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You are a great protector, siha, but some things are beyond even you.
Thane’s whisper in the never ending dream (via roxinwoolsocks)
I’m wondering how many copies of this are floating around Tumblr.
I think it’s funny that Thane was designed to attract female gamers and was the romance made for them specifically but then he dies no matter what you do.
Yeah… They said they “forgot he was a LI”. And then… did nothing. Both of those things say something about Bioware.
What?
Here I’ve been saying since I joined the fandom that I recognize the problematic aspects of Thane’s death, but it’s not inherently unfair that he was killed off without any of dudeshep’s LIs also getting killed off because it was probably just how the devs chose to end the plot of a romance that was contextually tragic from the very beginn…
They FORGOT he was an LI?
So they KILLED HIM?
The Shrios fandom has my deepest sympathies!
I found the exact quote, and will share it whenever relevant:
“Yeah, I wasn’t in charge of Thane, but I see Thane’s death situation as one of those things that’s the drawback of a large writing team. Lots of followers talk about the Citadel Event in terms of what happens with the VS, but because Thane was optional, it didn’t click with any of us that the player could also have just lost a friend or loved one THERE as well. That was a dropped ball on our end.” -Patrick Weekes
I hate how they acknowledge they dropped the ball on it and yet even with Citadel DLC which was supposed to ‘fix’ things, they didn’t fix nearly anything with thane’s LI
There are a billion reasons why his death is wrong, from inconsistent writing, to the way it slanders on Kai Leng when it shouldn’t, to how it’s fundamentally sexist that the one thing they forget and leave out and do not bother to fix, is an other Femshep romance.
And until I see an apology or explanation from them about Jacob too they’re just being sexist asshats.
Not only all of that, they forgot him so much that they gave him a death that wasn’t even his (watch that scene, tell me it doesn’t make more sense with Kirrahe defending the salarian councilor). That death is not about Thane, it’s about someone defending the salarian councilor. Ashley/Kaidan’s potential death comes about because of the position they’re in. Mordin dies curing the genophage and making amends for what he did in modifying it. Legion dies to give the geth independence and freedom (though I have characterization issues there too, but let’s stay on topic). Tali can die from seeing her people burn. Thane’s death has nothing to do with him as a character or his choices.
It’s really galling when all of Kasumi’s possible stories seem to involve Kahje in some fashion. You know, maybe, instead of a thief with no personal connection to Kahje and the hanar, someone who was trained by hanar, whose species is intimately tied with the hanar, should have had some importance in a storyline revolving around the hanar. Just a thought.
The fact that the FemShep romances got the short end of the stick pisses me off in so many ways, and I’ve only got two FemShep runs, out of more than ten. It’s horrible treatment, and honestly, I expected so much better from BioWare. Not that they were perfect before ME3, but they were certainly a lot better than this in previous games.
To add insult to injury, whenever Shrios fans mentioned any of this, someone would make fun of us or tell us we were being irrational. Some of whom were Bioware employees at the time. *cough* Chris Priestly *cough*
Oh yeah, that “Keep your hope alive, unlike your boyfriend” guy… There was also that day at a con where Bioware specifically asked no to ask questions about Thane… Or that time when they banned one of us from BSN because she answered to trolls’ insults, but the trolls were allowed to continue… Or that time when they barely acknowledged the reception of a fanart book… I could continue. And I HATED how Bioware handled the pre-Citadel DLC announcements. They would confirm cameo/appearance of a lot of characters, but answered “no spoiler ;)” when asked about Thane. They announced : “Mass Effect 3: Citadel offers one final chance to see the characters you have known for years and rekindle romances.” They waited until the VERY END to announce that the DLC was post-Coup - they even said it AFTER the official DLC announcement. The way they were handling it had made me SO hopeful at the time… “rekindle romances”, “can’t say anything about thane, you’ll see ;)”. It was cruel. They made us hope for nothing. I don’t know it was meant to be, but it WAS cruel. That and all they did during all the SaveThane campaign.
Basically everything that needs to be said is said in this chat-dump. To recap:
Thane’s death is irrelevant to his character
A relevant subplot for Thane does not include Thane
Patrick Weekes, one of the head writers of Mass Effect, completely forgot Thane was a love interest
Even after all of that happened, they stoked the fires of Thane romancers to get a rise out of them and encourage them to buy the DLC even when it was after Thane had already died
Mass Effect 3 has so much bad writing in it I just
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I always imagine that Thane’s cup stays on the table in the life support room (even after he dies), because a part of Shepard can’t accept that he won’t come back.
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She was the best of them. She cared for her people. She protected them.
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Fenris comes from a country in which mages hold all the power, and the more powerful you as a mage, the more power you hold in Tevinter. He has seen first hand the worst excess of a country governed by mages. Due to losing his memories this is all he knew. Ever. Is how he feels - that all mages deseve to live in the Circle and all could be tempted by power - right? No. But his feelings come from the fact that for his entire life he was abused by mages and the power they held, and saw the abuses that the other magisters inflicted on everyone who didn’t hold the same level of power as them.
Vivienne, however, came from liberal Circle, lives a cushy life (asking her ‘what it’s like to be forced to live in the Circle’ she points out she has a wing at her lover’s estate and suit at the palace. ‘My dear […] I have never been forced to live anywhere.’) She has everything that is usually denied to a mage - political power, permission to live outside the Circle and standing in society. But yet she believes that other mages should continue to live in the Circles. She hides it under the pretense of ‘caring’ for other mages, but the fact that her Divine ending has her declaring war on the Collage, and her non-Divine endings have her leaving the side of the Divine because she can’t bear to be ignored and reforming the Circle proves that the only thing ever on her mind is her own power, and her own comfort.
That that is why I have sympathy for Fenris but hold a very low opnion of Vivienne.
THANK YOU. Also Fenris can take the mages side with you near the end if you are friend/rival enough with him, he does not try to create an uprising against you unlike Vivienne when she isn’t divine. And as divine she is referred as a tyrant by Cassandra, and that says a lot.
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Confession: I genuinely believe that Anders’ comment and approval if you give Fenris to Danarius is completely out of character. Anders has flaws that do deserve criticism (the way he and Fenris treat Merrill?? God), but I don’t think he’d be that petty. Anders constantly argues with Fenris, but he would understand how terrible it would be to hand him back to Danarius (and not to mention Justice? Wouldn’t he say something?? Possess his body??). I’m sorry, Bioware, but I don’t care what you wrote. Anders is a huge hypocrite, but even that’s below him.
And Justice is against Anders keeping a cat because he thinks it is slavery in awakening. In DA2 Anders keeps comparing the mages to slaves in Tevinter. Yeah it is out of character and if you get pissed at Anders because he approves that action (which is OOC) then you are the biggest hypocrite because you are the one giving Fenris to Danarius. So you know don’t put the blame on Anders approving when you are the one being a shittier person by giving Fenris back to Danarius, have his memory erased and be a slave again. JS
It Was Easier to Give in Than Keep Running
By Anonymous
In first grade, a boy named John— a notorious troublemaker—systematically chased every girl in our class during recess trying to kiss her on the lips. Most gave in eventually. It was easier to give in than keep running. When it was my turn, I turned and faced him, grabbed his glasses off his weasel face, and stomped on them on the hard blacktop. He ran to the principal’s office and cried.
In fifth grade, I was asked to be a boy’s girlfriend over email. It was the first email I ever received. He actually told me he wanted to send me an email, so I went home and made an AOL account. We went to a carnival and he won me a Garfield stuffed animal, and then he gave me a 3 Doors Down CD. A few days later, he broke up with me, and asked for Garfield and the CD back. I said no.
In sixth grade, a girl in my year gave head to an eighth grader in the back of the school bus while playing Truth or Dare.
In the summer after sixth grade, I kissed a boy for the first time at sleep away camp. He was my summer love. During the end-of-the-summer dining hall announcements, where kids usually announced lost sweatshirts and Walkmen, an older girl stepped up to the microphone, tossed her hair behind her shoulders, and proudly stated, “I lost something very precious to me last night. My virginity. If anyone finds it, please let me know.” The dining hall erupted into laughter and cheers. She was barred from ever coming back to the camp again, and wasn’t allowed to say goodbye to anyone.
In seventh grade, I told my brother I decided when I was older wanted a Hummer. What I really meant was I wanted a Jeep, but I didn’t know a lot about cars. My mother overheard and screamed at me for “wanting a Hummer.”
In the summer after freshman year of high school, I went to sleepaway field hockey camp with many of my close friends. One of them, named Megan, I had been friends with since kindergarten. One night when I was showering, she ripped open the curtain and snapped a photo of me on her disposable camera. I screamed. She laughed. We both laughed when I got out of the shower a few minutes later. After camp was over, her father took the camera to the convenience store to get it developed. When he gave the finished photos back to her, he said, “Your friend [Anonymous] has grown up.”
Sophomore year of high school, one of my best friends Hilary had a party in her basement while her mom was away. We invited some of the guys in our grade and someone’s older brother bought us a handle of vodka. One of the boys who came sat next to me in Spanish class. His name was Thomas. I remember playing a simple game, where we passed the bottle of vodka around in a circle and drank. I remember being happily tipsy and having fun, to suddenly being very drunk. Thomas and I started chanting numbers in Spanish, and he leaned towards me and kissed me. We kissed in the middle of the party, with all of our friends cheering. Then we went into Hilary’s bedroom.
Hilary’s bedroom was in the basement, on the ground floor, with a large window next to her bed. When someone went outside to smoke a cigarette, they realized it was a front row seat to what was happening in the bedroom. It was dark outside, and the light on was in the bedroom. They called everyone outside to watch. I don’t remember getting undressed, but apparently we were both completely naked in Hilary’s bed. A friend of mine told me later she tried to open the door and stop what was happening, but Thomas must have locked it. They said they pounded on the door. I don’t remember hearing them pounding. I don’t remember seeing everyone’s faces outside the window. I remember Thomas holding my head down, and shoving his penis into my mouth. I remember trying to resist, pulling back, but he held his hands firmly on my head, pushing my face up and down. That’s all that I remember.
The next day, my friends and I went out to dinner at one of our favorite local restaurants. I couldn’t eat anything, and it wasn’t because I was hung over. Every time I tried to put food in my mouth, I felt like I was choking. Anytime a flash of the night before appeared in my mind, I felt like vomiting. My friends sat with me in silence. Then they told me a girl named Lindsey, who had briefly dated Thomas freshman year, had stood outside and watched the entire time. Even after everyone else stopped watching. My friends said they didn’t watch.
On Monday, Thomas and I sat next to each other in Spanish. We didn’t speak. We didn’t make eye contact. I went to the girls bathroom and threw up. I hear Lindsey and Thomas live together, now, ten years later.
Junior year of high school, my teacher for Honors Spanish was named Señor Gonzales. Señor Gonzales had all of the girls sit in the front row. Señor Gonzales called on any girl who was wearing a skirt to write on the chalkboard. Señor Gonzales asked a friend of mine, who had broken her finger playing an after school sport, if she broke her finger because “she liked it rough.” Señor Gonzales was a tenured teacher.
Senior year of high school, I got my first real boyfriend. His name was Colin. He was on the lacrosse team with Thomas. He told me that sophomore year, Thomas told everyone on the team what happened that night at Hilary’s. Everyone cheered. Colin said that, even then, he had a crush on me. Even then, he wanted to punch Thomas.
Colin and I lost our virginities to each other. Colin said if I got pregnant, he would make me have the baby. He didn’t believe in abortion. Colin said if I got pregnant, he would make me have a C-section. Colin said that if I didn’t have a C-section, my vagina would be too loose for him to ever enjoy having sex with me again. Colin said that he wouldn’t let our child breastfeed. He said his mother gave him formula, and that he turned out just fine. I didn’t get pregnant.
Junior year of college, I lived in Denmark for the spring semester and studied at the University of Copenhagen. Copenhagen is one of the safest cities in the world. Guns are illegal there. Pepper spray is illegal there. One night, my friends and I went to a concert at a crowded club in a part of the city I didn’t know very well. I brought a tiny purse with money, my apartment key, and my international cell phone. For some reason it made sense at the time to put my purse inside my friend’s purse. Maybe I didn’t feel like carrying it. We were both drinking. My friend left the concert to go home with her boyfriend. One by one, everyone I was there with left the concert, until I was suddenly alone and I realized I didn’t have my purse, or any money for a cab ride home.
I started walking in the direction that felt right. I walked for a long time. I had no idea where I was, and didn’t recognize the area. It was almost 4 am. I was on a residential street when a cab pulled up next to me. I asked the driver if he could drive me to an intersection down the street from my apartment.
I don’t have any money, I said.
I really need your help, I said.
I will do it for free, he said.
Sit in the front, he said.
I sat in the front. We drove in silence for some time, until he pulled over on the side of a dark street.
I don’t want to do it for free anymore, he said.
He locked the car doors and reached across the center console and slipped his hand up my skirt. He grabbed my vagina. Hard. I pushed his hand away and unlocked the door. I ran down the street and realized he had taken me a block away from the intersection I wanted. I walked to my apartment and threw rocks at my roommate’s window until she let me inside. She yelled at me for waking her up. I escaped. Nothing happened. I was fine.
The summer after I graduated college I helped Hilary find an internship. She was an art major and wanted something for her resume besides waitressing. We found a posting on Craigslist to be a studio assistant for a painter in the Bronx. It was listed as an unpaid internship. The toll for the George Washington Bridge was twelve dollars, plus gas, but she got the internship anyway. She wanted the experience.
The artist was a 38-year-old Canadian painter named Bradley. Hilary was 22.There was another intern there, an art student from Manhattan named Stella. Bradley needed assistants to help him make bubble wrap paintings. Stella and Hilary would take a syringe and fill the tiny bubbles with different color paints until it formed a mosaic. Bradley always had Hilary stay after Stella left to clean the paintbrushes and syringes. He told Hilary she was beautiful. More beautiful than his wife, who he only married for citizenship. He told Hilary they had a loveless marriage. He told Hilary he wanted to have her beautiful children. They began an affair. He told Hilary has wife knew and didn’t care. He told Hilary he was going to leave his wife soon.
Everyday Hilary drove to the Bronx, cleaned Bradley’s paintbrushes, and had sex on the studio floor. Everyday she went home with no money, and everyday she paid the toll at the George Washington Bridge. She needed the internship for her resume, she said. It was too late to find a new job, she said.
I could go on. I could tell you a lot more. About the whistles on the sidewalk, the kids who sat at the bottom of the stairs in high school to look up our skirts, my friend who was a prostitute in South Carolina, the men who’ve cornered me in parking lots and bars calling me a tease, the unwanted grabbing on the subway, the many times my father has called me fat, the time I traveled to the Philippines and discovered Western men pay preteen locals to spend the week in their hotel, the messages on OKCupid asking to “fart in my mouth.” About how I wasn’t sure if I had been raped because I was drunk and kissed Thomas back. How he raped my mouth and not my vagina, so that must not be rape. How easy it was for me to escape the dark street in Copenhagen, and how that made it not matter since “it could’ve been worse.”
Men have no idea what it takes to be a woman. To grin and bear it and persevere. The constant state of war, navigating the relentless obstacle course of testosterone and misogyny, where they think we are property to be owned and plowed. But we’re not. We are people, just like them. Equals, in fact, or at least that’s the core of what feminism is still trying to achieve. The job is not over. We’ve made great progress. There are female CEOs, though not very many. There are females writing for the New York Times and winning Pulitzer prizes, though not very many. There are female politicians, though not very many. But these advances are only on paper. The job won’t be over until equality permeates the air we breathe, the streets we walk and the homes we live in.
I think back to how easy it was for me, in first grade, to feel fearless and strong in my conviction to stomp on John’s glasses. I felt right in reacting how I did, because John’s behavior was wrong. But his was an elementary learning of the wide boundaries his gender would go on to afford him. For me, it would never again be so easy.
- Anonymous, age 25
everyone who follows me read the whole-fucking thing.
take the time to read and appreciate this
Don’t tell me this is real.
it actually is. as someone who dedicated his entire life to making family oriented films for many generations of children filled with magic, love, fantasy, and innocence. of course he’s disgusted with how otaku culture has heavily influenced most, if not all anime.
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Confession: Inquisition is a great game… But I can’t help feel that BioWare just plopped a whole bunch of Cullen fanservice to appease angry gamers. I mean first of all he’s (unrealistically) good-looking, even more so than Leliana or Josephine (who I think are realistically beautiful). Despite not being into men, I tend to occasionally appreciate how effing beautiful he is. Secondly, wouldn’t you conclude that the whole him losing his clothes in Wicked Grace qualified as objectification of some sort? It was a funny moment, and I appreciated how light-hearted it was played out, but it still bugs me that there would be an uproar if it was a female character who lost her clothes. Yes, more games out there objectify women than they do men, but shouldn’t there not be any objectification of either gender? Unless I’m doing this whole gender equality thing wrong…?
The first bit about Cullen I’m not going to really address. OP’s opinion is OP’s opinion. I may not agree, but eh, feel what you like.
I do want to address the objectification bit. Objectification means that the individual is no longer seen as a person, but as an object (hence object-ification.) This is why it continues to be difficult to apply it to men as a whole, because our society has already branded men as important and that their opinions matter regardless of their appearance.
In the case of Cullen, him losing his clothes in a game of Wicked Grace humanizes him. At no point does the viewer look at him as less of a person. He’s deemed an attractive person, but his personhood isn’t altered by the interaction. His ability to command, his opinions, his ability to be a capable warrior is not brought into question by this interaction. If anything, it’s strengthened because his physicality speaks to his ability as a warrior, and his peevishness speaks to his serious nature which translates to a man not be trifled with.
Now, if a woman was placed in this situation–let’s say Cassandra for example. At that moment, her authority would be undermined by the interaction, because simply being a woman compromises that position. The moment Cassandra is made nude for the enjoyment of others, she is reduced from a capable warrior to tits and ass.
Let’s put it in another context. Imagine Cullen completely nude in front of a platoon of his men. They may snicker but if he barks an order, they will follow it. Him yelling at his subordinates would trigger fear, because Cullen doesn’t stop being Cullen just because he’s naked. And because of our society and how it sees the authority of men, the viewer is non-pulsed by the idea that of course his men would follow orders.
Now due to the way our society works currently, Cassandra fully clothed is still viewed as less than a capable leader and/or warrior. It’s not hard to find opinions all over the web about the unlikelihood of Cassandra to be capable of being a warrior with the strength to use her sword and shield–and let’s not forget the threads based on the scale of her overall attractiveness and how it should be improved. Now place her nude in front of a platoon of men and have her bark orders, and the viewer would no longer see Cassandra as a person, but as a sex object. Her authority would be seen as hot or as a turn on, not as an authoritative figure that just so happens to be nude.
Examples of this are seen all of the time in action films. The badass chick that can kill a dozen men just by looking at them, but her shirt is torn or she goes undercover in a sexy dress and the male hero stares at her chest or her ass and in that moment her personhood is reduced to her body and its attractiveness, not as a capable assassin/warrior/what have you.
There is also a layer of violence with objectification, because again a person is reduced to an object. A naked woman is seen as prey to be leered at. A naked man is still seen as capable and as a proper adversary.
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