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i donât get the argument that sansa was âtalking shit about d/any behind her backâ or âmanipulating herâ because as far as i could tell sansa was one of the very few people who actually brought up her issues with d/any face-to-face and confronted her. d/any herself said to varys that she wanted him to voice any concerns and come straight to her instead of plotting behind her back. now d/any obviously was a hypocrite in more ways than one, but youâd think the audience at least would have caught this. sansa tried to tell d/any what the problem was (multiple times), but d/any only took it as âdisrespectâ and threatened her in return. after that there was really no choice left for sansa but to try and stop her however she could (and mind you that didnât even mean assassinating or harming her in any way). and we know what happened when enough people either refused or failed to do the same.
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A person with an abusive nature will always register you standing up for yourself as an act of betrayal. Betray them.
Why Sansa told Tyrion
She didnât tell Tyrion about Jon because she wants him on the throne. She wants Northern independence and Jon in the North with her. However, despite what she wants, she was still going to respect Jonâs right to do what he wants.Â
When the scene begins, Sansa is watching Dany. Her expression is explained in her first words, âWhy her?â I believe Sansa is still feeling jealous and hurt. Jonâs leaving them, leaving her, again for this woman. Sheâs accepted his choice, even though it hurts, but still wants reassurance that Dany will be good for him.
When Tyrion reminds Sansa that Jon will likely not be spending much time in the North anymore he is trying to point out that she will be in power. But Sansa responds with âWell, I suppose thatâs up to him.â Again, sheâs affirming his choice, even though her tone and expression reveal she doesnât like it.Â
Tyrion says he would feel a lot better leaving knowing Sansa and Dany are allies. Sansa picks up on his concern. It is personal concern, for Sansa, something sheâs experienced before when he tries to get her to eat after Robb and Catelyn are murdered.
Still, she doesnât understand why. As she asks, she mentions Dany still has Jon, the armies, and the dragons. Everything she wants. And the irritation is still clear. Itâs happening, she doesnât like it, but whatâs the problem?
Then Tyrion warns Sansa not to provoke Dany. It is a deeply personal warning.
She senses his fear and calls him out on it. âYouâre afraid of her.â Sansa has seen Tyrion antagonize Joffrey without fear. Sheâs seen him refuse to kneel for Joffrey at his wedding, knowing full well what Joffrey was capable of. If Tyrion is afraid of Dany, someone he is supposed to be in close partnership with, it is serious.
Sansaâs expression shows that her emotions shift instantly from sad and frustrated to terrified. She knows who Jon is, and she knows Dany knows it, too. She also knows Dany didnât want Jon to tell anyone. In this moment, everything is clicking for her. Jon is afraid of Dany, too. Thatâs why he acted the way he did in the war council. Thatâs why he made her and Arya swear they wouldnât tell anyone. It wasnât because Jon didnât want the throne, or because he didnât want to end his relationship. It was because Jon is terrified of what Dany might do.Â
She is practically trembling, tearing up. Sheâs no longer worried about not seeing Jon anymore, sheâs worried about him being murdered. Sheâs seen enough of her family murdered for having the wrong information or the wrong title in the eyes of a tyrant. She knows there is no scenario where Dany is going to just trust Jon to not usurp her. In this moment, she knows Jon is in serious danger.
Then, Sansa stares at Dany again. This time it isnât fear. This time itâs anger, and the memory of all those whoâve harmed her family before. Perhaps even Littlefingerâs words come into her mind. âTerrible things happen to your family and you weep.â Not this time. This time she will do whatever it takes to protect him.
Tyrion said it himself. âMany people underestimated you. Most of them are dead now.â Watch out, Dany. The Red Wolf is coming for you.
The Significance of Nymeria for Arya's Storyline
I have referenced in a few of my meta that I think that Nymeriaâs current story as the leader of a massive pack of wolves could have significance for Aryaâs arc in the future. I thought I should expound on why I believe that.
After all, the direwolves are so important, that the scene of them being found for the Starks was the basis and beginning of ASoIaF.
This explores the namesake of Nymeria the direwolf, the connection between Arya and Nymeria, the importance of the direwolves for the Starks, and the potential implications of both Nymerias for Aryaâs future storyline.Â
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Arya Stark: She's Traumatized But Not Detached
Have you read Aryaâs chapters and paid the bare minimum of attention to them? If so, there is absolutely no way you can deem Arya âsociopathicâ, âpsychopathicâ, âremorselessâ, or âshamelessâ. She exhibits none of that even in her most recent chapters.
The text illustrates that Arya has retained her kindness, compassion, and protectiveness as well as refrained from becoming cold and used to death and killing.Â
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Arya Stark and Jon Snow
It is common knowledge since âthe letterâ circulated the internet that Jon Snow and Arya Stark were meant to be the main romantic pairing of A Song of Ice and Fire x. Five books later and the story has diverged from its original intention, but still there are so many clues that point to an underlying romanticism to their relationship (able to be picked up, even despite anyoneâs personal shipping preferences).
Jon and Arya are the epitome of redamancy, a love returned in full. It is the purest and most unconditionally loving of relationships shown in the books; there is nothing that taints their love for one another, unlike, say, Cersei and Jaime or Ned and Catelyn or even Jon with Robb.
They begin close, both emotionally and geographically, together in Winterfell. But, as time and story demand, they are separated, and their hearts are tested time and time again, leading eventually to the end of A Dance with Dragons: Arya figuratively split down the middle by the opposing Needle and the Faceless Men, and Jon, bleeding out on the snow at the Wall, just after his decision to break his vows for Arya.
This meta is split up into several parts, and thoroughly considers every aspect that makes up Jon and Aryaâs unique relationship, as well as exploring the romantic undertones of their thoughts and actions.
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Dark!Dany Is Coming
After âThe Long Nightâ Iâve seen a lot of people worried that Dark!Dany doesnât seem as likely anymore, since D*ny was portrayed too sympathetically in the episode. Â Though Iâd agree that she was as sympathetic as sheâs been in a long time, several things in this episode set up a possible Dark!Dany reveal. Â Hereâs the three main pieces of Dark!Dany foreshadowing Iâve found in the episode:
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Disliking DĂŚnerys: A common misconception
There seems to be a widespread notion online, among not only DĂŚnerys and Jonerice stans, but some mainstream media outlets as well - this article in Vanity Fair, for example - that people who dislike DĂŚnerys only do so because they ship Jonsa.
And while I can only speak for myself, I would like to debunk this myth, because itâs long overdue. I imagine that Iâm not the only Sansa stan and/or Jonsa shipper who is absolutely fed up with this insulting assumption. Insulting, because claiming that petty fandom rivalry is the only reason anyone could possibly have for disliking DĂŚnerys is a big, fat middle finger to critical thinking and to the intelligence and maturity of countless fans.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she wants the privilege and power of her ancestors, but without being held responsible for their crimes - while at the same time expecting that the people she seeks to rule stay true to oaths sworn by their ancestors, regardless of said crimes committed against them by her family since those oaths were sworn.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she views herself as the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, even though her familyâs dynasty was overthrown and the only way she can ever claim the Iron Throne for herself is by doing the very thing that she hates the Baratheons for doing: taking the throne by force.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she doesnât seem to grasp that a ruler needs to be consistent and unaffected by personal feelings in their decisions, and sees nothing wrong with granting a trial to a criminal one day, only to execute another criminal without a trial the next.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because to her, executing someone who could very possibly be innocent of any wrongdoing is no big deal.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she shows little to no regard or respect for cultures and traditions that differ from her own.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she feels she deserves respect, loyalty, and love, simply by virtue of being who she is, without seeing the need to actively work to prove that sheâs worthy of it.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because even though the people of the North are her subjects and she wants to rule over the rest of Westeros as well, she claims that sheâs been manipulated into fighting someone elseâs war, rather than just fighting to defend her subjects from the White Walkers because itâs her duty as their supposed ruler.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because she is adamant that she be styled properly and addressed with respect at all times, and takes it very badly when she isnât, yet does not extend the same courtesy to others, and has no qualms about berating and humiliating her advisors in public.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because rather than trying to understand why people - whether itâs the Dothraki, the Meereenese, Lannister loyalists, or Northerners - are sceptical and mistrusting of her and donât want her as their ruler, and working to gain their trust and loyalty, she takes it as a personal insult.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because her immediate response when she doesnât get the respect and loyalty that she feels sheâs owed is to use to violence or the threat of violence to scare people into submission - and because she takes pleasure in doing it.
I dislike DĂŚnerys because of the colonialist/white saviour imagery and themes in her storyline in Essos, and because of how a big part of the fandom is either willing to ignore this, or completely unaware of it.
I dislike DÌnerys because she is a complex, problematic, morally grey and ultimately tragic character who is made out to be an unproblematic hero by fans willing to excuse or overlook all the horrible things she does, while not extending the same courtesy to other characters.
I dislike DĂŚnerys for so many reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Sansa or Jonsa. I dislike her because I watch, I pay attention, and I donât like what I see.Â