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Date your local necromancer. When you’re feeling down, they’ll help raise your spirits.
“Friendship ended with the Inquisition. Now Cole is my only friend.” - Inquisitor Lavellan probably
(wears Anders outfit to a con) Actually I am cosplaying hostile mage NPC #34 from Inquisition.
the beginning of dragon age 2 where you can be an undocumented mage in a world where mages are essentially prisoners and you need to go to a new city but have to walk through a place called The Gallows and find out it’s primarily a circle of magi where mages are imprisoned so you walk right up to a guard and say “let me into this city my uncles here” and he says “okay brb” and then some random ruffians are like “thats bullshit lets fight” and you, an undocumented mage, just start chucking fucking fireballs everywhere with the magical staff you carry on your back,
@wraithwisp and I were watching Halloween Resurrection, where apparently Michael Myers lives in the basement of his house and eats rats while staring at pictures of his mortal enemy and if that isn’t an Anders mood i dont know what is
This is the 2nd biggest Anders mood I have seen in a non Anders-related movie, second only to that scene in Venom where Eddie eats the lobster.
Cassandra: They say that many years ago, an abomination cursed Cullen.
(5 year ago in Kirkwall)
Anders: FUCK that guy.
Hold the fuck up does anders become an abomination i hAVEN’T RECRUITED HIM YET
Oh you haven't played dragon age 2 yet? You're gonna have a blast.
A really amazing AU that I haven’t seen done (and if it has been done, please link me!!) is one where the Dales never fell to the Chantry. The elves either somehow repelled the Chantry or perhaps they chose differently and aided the humans with the Blight and so they were more endeared to the rest of southern Thedas.
Imagine an AU where Lavellan is an elven noble from the Dales (or knight!) and attends the Conclave as a Dalish representative. Rebel mages have fled uniformly to the Dales where the elves have a more liberated system to handle mages, meaning they don’t imprison them in Circles or subject them to Harrowings. The Chantry is contemplating what they view as a long overdue Exalted March on the Dales.
The Inquisition is established partially as a diplomatic mission to stop the March from happening and to of course close the rifts.
I love this! Have some thoughts/ideas:
- So obviously the Dalish aren’t gonna just imitate human styles of governance, because elven cultural preservation and all. Keepers are important but in Dalish clans, hahrens/elders also seem to serve very key roles, and it’s probable that a lot of governance would be divided into jurisdiction of Keepers and their Firsts, Seconds, etc (magic/history/religion/etc) and hahrens and their aids (civil management/diplomacy/lawmaking/etc). So, loosely - a division of church and state.
- The Dalish clans are named after prominent leaders from the Dales who took their followers out of the region to hack things as nomads in the wake of the Exalted March. So a lot of the same names would probably still be floating around in the upper levels of Dalish government among whatever form of nobility they might have.
- Given the more meritocratic nature of the Dalish clans, we can suppose that the Dales wouldn’t like just handing over power or land based on someone’s family background. There are probably Trials to determine if a candidate is worthy of a position, role, or responsibility, including things like having votes/backing from other members of the community, completing certain tasks or rituals, and proving oneself by solving existing dilemmas (so for example, someone who wants to become a litigator might have to participate in a certain number of cases to the satisfaction of a judiciary board before they can be granted the title).
- I mean I just can’t help but imagine that this would be SUPER COMPLEX and Dalish politics would smoke everyone else in terms of weird things you have to know and processes you have to go through in order to actually accomplish things, like ah yeah the Orlesians and their Game are backstabby and complicated but you can just barrel through it with a sword and a negative count of fucks to give. If you try that in the Dales you’ll just become a criminal.
- On that note, after the conclave explosion, I can see the Dales being way more resistant to just letting the Inquisition happen at all. More like ‘ah yes please do return our scion with the glow-y hand that will solve this disaster, you’ve done enough damage’. More actual elven “elitism” (though in this case, still way more deserved than it tends to be in other fantasy stories) and suspicion coming into play, now that the chantry’s taken a major shot to the beets and Clan Lavellan, rather than being a nomadic group on the brink of disaster, is one of however-many Super Fancy ruling elven families all nicely ensconced in their fortified kingdom. Which is currently flush with angry mages.
- Skyhold as a fortress in the Dales, one of several ancient elven strongholds that are still in the process of being reclaimed and having their magics awoken and studied.
- Solas pinging less of a bullshit radar because it’s actually not as uncommon to find a lone wandering elf with some weird opinions on the dominant religion of the Dales spouting off weird ‘Ancient Aliens’ style theories about how all the official history is Super Duper Wrong, You Guys. Lavellan just being like ‘ohhh you’re a (insert whichever subversive anti-Creators religious movement is in vogue right now)’ while Solas squints owlishly because someone neglected to investigate alternatives to the dominant culture in the Dales before getting all shirty about things.
- In a reverse of canon, lots more grousing from the locals if you side with the templars over the mages. The Dalish are fine with mages. Well, they have a less favourable opinion of Circle mages than their own, but fundamentally, they feel like it’s something they can deal with. Templars, on the other hand, have been trying to declare war on them from generations, so having a bunch of them occupying a fortress in the Dales invites heavy criticism.
- Mahariel’s origin story, by necessity, would have to be pretty different, wouldn’t it?
Cassandra: They say that many years ago, an abomination cursed Cullen.
(5 year ago in Kirkwall)
Anders: FUCK that guy.
DA2 idea: what’s written in The Tale of the Champion is actually fairly accurate. The version of Hawke’s tale we see in the game--narrated by Varric after being kidnapped by Cassandra--is simply a result of Varric being Grumpy that Cassandra insisted he was lying and also kidnapped him, so instead decided to sell her a “true” version of the story that was 99.9% grade A bullshit.
Plan B by ~monmercenaire
What Dorian thinks of blood magic? During a conversation in Heaven, he states that the problem is not blood magic -if you use your own blood or the blood of a willing part- but the fact that the Magisters always want more power, thus human sacrifices and all. But after his personal quest he states that his father -before trying to change him- as always hated blood magic and teached him to consider blood magic for weaks. Dorian hates blood magic or not? How the hell Halward Pavus has (1/2)
(2/2) survived in Tevinter society without blood magic, since he wasnt a blood mage until he has tried to force Dorian to marry? I can’t understand if this is someway some error by bioware part or there is something about the Imperium I’m missing: how really is the abuse of blood magic a need to survive and how really is just the Magisters going on the most easy solution?
Talking reasonably about blood magic is damn near impossible, you know. :)
The problem is that people say ‘blood magic’ when they’re talking about a whole range of things:
Spells of any school cast with your own blood
Spells of any school cast with someone else’s blood (willing or not)
Spells (good or bad) that specifically require blood as a power source cast with your own blood
Spells (good or bad) that specifically require blood as a power source cast with someone else’s blood (willing or not)
It’s often very difficult to define what someone means when they’re talking about blood magic, and people are almost always contradictory on the subject to some extent: the classic example is the Chantry using phylacteries to track mages, despite broadly condemning blood magic in general.
Okay, so: Dorian. Let’s get the quotes in order first.
Inquisitor: Just how often is blood magic used there?
Dorian: Oh, not at all.
Inquisitor: Not at all …
Dorian: That’s what any magister would tell you. They’d be convincingly offended by the notion, too. Of course, what people call blood magic here and what we consider blood magic are two different things.
Inquisitor: What’s considered actual blood magic in Tevinter?
Dorian: Blood magic isn’t inherently dangerous. Using your own blood or that of a willing participant? What’s the harm? The problem is what’s permitted only gets you so far. And what if you need more? You always need more. That’s where we get into sacrifices and demon summoning. None of that is done – not officially. Behind closed doors, it’s a different story. Real blood magic can give you an edge, a leg up against your opponents. It’s safe to assume that any mage of rank does it. The rest are quietly shut out of power, to put it bluntly.
Inquisitor: You’d think the templars would object.
Dorian: I imagine they did, long ago. Once, their investigations might have been sincere. Then their balls were cut off. Too inconvenient. Nowadays, only the friendless are accused … and most of them are probably innocent.
Inquisitor: There must be some mages who oppose this.
Dorian: Of course. I do, and I’m not entirely alone. Occasionally there’ll be a magister who makes noise, and then the reform talk begins. All very patriotic. Meanwhile, that magister will be quietly shunned. Chances are – surprise! – it’s learned he was a maleficar all along. Most learn to keep quiet. Me? I enjoy the allure of pariah-hood.
– Dragon Age: Inquisition Dorian Dialogue
And:
Halward: Dorian, please, if you’ll only listen to me
Dorian: Why? So you can spit more convenient lies? He taught me to hate blood magic. “The resort of the weak mind.” Those are his words. But what was the first thing you did when your precious heir refused to play pretend for the rest of his life? You tried to change me!
Halward: I only wanted what was best for you!
Dorian: You wanted the best for you! For your fucking legacy! Anything for that!
Dragon Age: Inquisition The Last Resort of Good Men
So: what’s happening here?
Tonally, obviously, these conversations are wildly different. The first one is the Dorian you just met five minutes ago, and are almost certainly interrogating mercilessly in Haven because the game just gave you a new dialogue tree, and you’ve already run through everyone else’s. He’s clearly clever and analytical, but also flippant and completely willing to play the semantics game with you just to mess with your foreign mind. The second is Dorian’s personal quest: it’s emotional and raw, and he’s speaking as someone who only narrowly escaped becoming a victim of one of the worst kinds of blood magic.
However, it’s worth noting that the Dorian of the first conversation had already experienced the things that lead to the second conversation, and some of what he says at first is a means of covering up pain and anger. I think you can build a reasonably consistent picture of blood magic in the Imperium, and what Dorian thinks about it:
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i had the bright idea to go read some adoribull fic on ao3, and man that tag has not gotten any less infested with het in the last two years
pours one out for the dagna/sera shippers also
i’m disappointed that gascard is orlesian and he has an item on him called “gascard’s favorite hat”
and that hat looks like this
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What about you, Dorian?
In which Dorian understands Bioware’s issue with elves better then Bioware.
…Except Bioware wrote Dorian, which means they understand completely.
This isn’t something that they just overlooked or forgot about, guys. The tragedy of the elves themselves knowing so incredibly little about their own history has been a huge plot point since Origins.
An elven Warden can (and Velanna does) lament the fact that elven children don’t know any stories about elven heroes. It is explicitly stated that the Dalish pepper their speech with as many Elvish words as they can because they are desperately trying to keep hold of their language, a language even their Keepers know precious little of.
So, while it would be awfully nice if Thedas were the sort of place where a past Dalish companion could take the place of Morrigan in Inquisition, or where a Dalish Inquisitor can “show Morrigan what’s what” at the Temple of Mythal (not counting the “Who is this Mythal?” dialogue glitch, which they have acknowledged as, in fact, a glitch), it isn’t. You know why? Because the Dalish have no way of knowing what Morrigan knows. All they know of their own history is what’s been passed down through the ages, which, as we learn from Solas and Abelas–people who were actually there at the time–is woefully inaccurate.
Morrigan, on the other hand, was raised by Mythal. She learned this stuff from the source, and even she still doesn’t know everything, just more than the Dalish possibly could. And since Asha’bellanar seems pretty tight with the Dalish in DA2 and The Stolen Throne, one can only assume Mythal was playing that shit close to the vest for a reason. “But why couldn’t Mythal have picked an elven vessel?” you ask. Good question: why didn’t she? Was Flemeth the living being she felt the strongest connection to? Did she have some reason to actively avoid choosing an elven vessel? She was murdered, after all–did her own people turn on her for some reason? The only thing you can be certain of is that the answer damn sure isn’t “Bioware hates elves.” For God’s sake, an elven god has been guiding the player characters’ steps since day one, a second elven god appears to have some world-changing plans in the works, and Inquisition largely revolves around the player discovering more about elven history than we’ve been shown in the past. Elves are, in fact, turning out to be the most important race in the series.
So, no. Bioware actually understands perfectly.
I’m actually gonna present the counterpoint that BioWare understands inconsistently.
Because ‘BioWare’ is not an author. It’s a developer, they hire writers, and they hire multiple writers. Those writers do not always know what the others are doing, which is a common source of excised canon, retcons, and plotholes/contradictory lore. Even though there are guidelines, people can still get mixed up on basic facts of the setting, let alone on its subtext, subversive themes, or overall narrative points (which tend to be less black-and-white and more dependent on interpretation).
Dorian was written by David Gaider. Solas was written by Patrick Weekes. Sera was written by Lukas Kristjanson. They’ve only been in one game and have, so far, only had one writer apiece, but still different writers within the same setting. By contrast, Cullen was written by Cheryl Chee in Origins, Jennifer Hepler in DA2, and Brianne Battye in DA:I.
One thing that’s pretty notorious about Cullen is that he seems to get a totally different narrative treatment in each game, particularly between DA2′s approach to him and DA:I’s. This is because he’s had three different writers, who don’t entirely agree on who he is in regards to the overarching story of the games, or what parts of his character are worth following up on and paying attention to. Cheryl Chee wrote Cullen with an eye for him never appearing again, or else probably coming back as a one-note side-villain. DA2 wrote him as the SIC to the big bad, and retconned out his ‘doomed’ traits. And DA:I went full ‘tragic knight’ on his narrative, and handwaved 90% of his plot-centric actions in DA2 in favour of focusing on his role as a romance option.
So when people are like ‘BioWare knows what they’re doing’ or ‘BioWare doesn’t’, it’s like… well which writer, which theme, and which event are we talking about? And also which day, who were they talking to and collaborating with one which quest, which character, which bit of lore, etc…
@feynites this is the most reasonable thing I have heard in 3 years. Thank you.