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Nile walks into the kitchen at Joe and Nicky’s house and sees this shit on the daily, and no one can convince me otherwise:
did you ever post ur thoughts on joe's necklace? i feel like i saw something about tumblr eating the post, maybe, but i'm still curious... like what does it MEAN? in general but also to you -- your thoughts on it? hope your day/night is looking up a little :)
i'm shelving that post for... an undetermined nebulous Later, but in short:
> i immediately assumed it was an ayat al-kursi pendant on first watch and took that for granted until i saw people wondering about it. i still cannot find a shot clear enough to confirm that's actually what it is and it is driving me INSANE
> there is and has been constant debate all over the islamic world & through the centuries between scholars on if wearing jewelry for spiritual reasons is permissible. some will tell you only verses of the quran are allowed, some will on the contrary tell you that the word of god should not be trivially inscribed on objects like that, some will tell you that all amulets are forbidden. what is particularly interesting to me is that islam in the maghreb, especially pre-18th century, has existed in dialogue with animism and indigenous practices, and while Some People With Specific Agendas don't like to acknowledge it, it means north-african islam has its own codes and habits and superstitions that don't necessarily align with... how do i say that. let's say a lot of things in practice don't align with the rigidity of Written Law. this is a slippery subject and i don't want to be misinterpreted but my point is mostly that for a muslim amazigh man from the 11th century it makes perfect sense in the movie to see yusuf 1) wear what is a essentially a talisman 2) drink alcohol, and these are blink and you'll miss it moments - i'm not even sure if deep thought went into them??? - but personally at least i can build soooo much on that for characterization and it makes me Very Happy
#the inherent romanticism of existing in the same place while gay
@lgbtmazight your TAGS my heart HURTS
The Kingkiller Chronicle, Patrick Rothfuss
this thing has lived rent free in my head since @jcksonmaine posted this and so now you all have to live with it too (feat. my favourite teapot that you definitely need a cloth to lift when it’s hot, yusuf your fingers are burning, please think with other head babe)
this fandom has done an excellent job of unpacking the historical context + present legacy of the crusades and how the old guard shows former crusader nicky as a redeemed villain who had to work for joe’s forgiveness and trust, which is all excellent but nile freeman american marine problematic when
i’m saying, in different circumstances ‘keep it respectful’/’don’t we always?’ would have generated tons of meta where it’s picked apart for nuance with the same laser-sharp focus fandom uses to examine a minute twitch of joe’s wrist in a gif set, but it has generated hmmm zero meta
more meta ideas/things to consider:
1. did nile do some soul searching, realize she’s very much a cog in an imperialist machine and it doesn’t sit well with her but she can’t just get up and leave, so what she’ll do from now on is deliberately conduct herself in a way that causes the least possible harm until she’s out of the army? actually without an examination of this all her smiling/handing out candy/keeping it respectful is……little more than a ham-fisted attempt by the movie to establish her as The Goodest Marine at a point in the story when the audience has no idea if her being a marine is going to keep being relevant and that’s. not a great look
2. nile’s relationship with her father and how central the military may or may not have been there. the picture on her phone is of her father in uniform, so it must have been a pretty big deal. and there’s SO MUCH to cover here: is she unquestioningly proud of him? did she ever contend with the fact that he was a good person whom she loved but he might have done some awful things as a us soldier? did he ever talk to her about being in the military, and if so, in what terms? did she, as a kid, notice ways in which it affected him negatively?
3. nile’s decision to enlist. there’s a lot to talk about here beyond the impact of military propaganda. was she driven mainly by her wish to honor her father‘s legacy? was it because her family was struggling financially and this was the best way to support them/get access to higher education? the first one says she hasn’t thought about it very critically. the second one says, essentially, and i’m gonna need you to stay with me here, ‘my family’s well-being/my college degree is worth a few non-american lives’. which also means she hasn’t thought about it very critically because i do absolutely believe nile is a good person and realizing this would have given her pause.
4. the fact that an american audience will look at nile, see a young black woman who is very likely trying to support her family financially, and attach complex meanings and motivations to every one of these things, but to the people she interacts with in afghanistan she is (100% justifiably) a uniform with a gun. all the layers of your personality, history, beliefs, relationship collapse and get folded up into a uniform with a gun and like. at some point you have to contend with that.
5. i seriously cannot emphasize enough how gross and heavy-handed the ‘keep it respectful’ exchange is, so a discussion of that, ideally feeding back into the story framing nile as the good and noble soldier while she leads a squad belonging to an invading force into a civilian home, armed to the teeth.
the point isn’t that if you write meta about nile as a marine you might at some point accidentally imply she’s a bad person. she clearly isn’t - she’s kind, principled and compassionate. but the movie made this stupid fucking choice of putting her in the us military instead of making her, idk, a park ranger or something, and it’s such a loaded narrative decision that fandom just skirting around it is not great. but it’s also a source of inner conflict for nile, which means it’s a source of character development and especially american fans can bring a lot to it by unpacking all of this instead of ignoring it because it’s uncomfortable.
more points from nile’s introduction as The Goodest Marine
note: this is a criticism the movie’s narrative choice to introduce us marine nile in a certain very deliberate way, not a condemnation of nile as an individual. if you’re uncomfortable with what follows try to sit with it and interrogate yourself a bit. also these were gonna be gifs but i don’t have the energy, so they’re screenshots instead. long post ahead.
1. the unnamed boy who is shown to be suspicious/fearful of the american soldiers but for some unspecified reason responds to american soldier nile with immediate trust
apparently all it takes to alleviate his fears is a smile, some indistinct muttering and a piece of candy. they exchange a few words in pashto but we never hear what they are because the purpose of this scene is to frame nile as the one (1) marine children literally flock to as she’s pacifying them with candy. the content/essence of the interaction is not important. it’s very heavy-handed and gross.
this scene would have hit very differently (and done nile a lot more service in terms of characterization) if she’d been shown trying to establish a connection with him, being firmly refused and reacting with sadness/remorse. it would have told the audience that 1. nile is kind and empathetic and while the rejection of her sincere efforts hurts she can also understand where it’s coming from; and 2. she’s uncomfortable when reminded of her status as a member of an invading army - while at the same time giving the boy some agency.
(i’ll give the movie some credit for the blink-and-you’ll-miss-it moment when nile stands up to go talk to her sergeant, literally swings the butt of her gun in the boy’s face without even noticing, and he looks at her with the same fear/suspicion he’d shown earlier towards the other soldiers. there’s an infinitesimal amount of nuance there but it goes nowhere)
2. the translator (referred to as ‘woman’ on screen in the english subtitles, named gita in the cast list because…..why name her on screen?) smiling warmly while watching nile with the kids.
this is another blink-and-miss shot but together with the scene above it establishes a Locals Love Her sort of deal which i guess is supposed to make nile’s marine status more palatable.
(also as @wondersmith-and-sons pointed out to me in the chat earlier today, translators are the first in line to get fucked over by the military if they’re considered liabilities, so that’s another layer to think about)
3. non-american lives as an afterthought
not only could nile’s line easily have been ‘he has killed many people’ and avoided prioritizing the lives of american soldiers over those of the people they’ve occupied, but the visuals linked to ‘and many of yours’ are………also of american soldiers. this was not at all a difficult scene to not make worse than it already was. removing the qualifiers from that sentence and leaving it at ‘he has killed many people’ would have done the job, but Choices were obviously made and they are fucking awful.
4. nile trying to be moralizing apparently
listen, i don’t have knowledge of the cultural context to discuss this in a more nuanced way, but i suspect neither does nile. we’ve never seen her try to establish a genuine rapport with anyone or learn about the culture beyond a few words. so this comes off as ‘i’m going to independently assume the reason you’re reluctant to talk to us is some deeply ingrained Family Duty Honor thing you guys have going on around here, and not the fact that you’re being questioned by a bunch of uniforms with guns. let me reassure you that turning this man over to us is the right thing to do because he has killed many of our people……………and many of yours too, i guess’
and the movie is like ‘and then it actually worked!’
5. ‘keep it respectful’ in action
except they were never ‘allowed’, they marched in armed to the teeth, on orders, without asking permission to come in. the point this scene is trying to make is that nile is polite and respectful but she really just comes off as incredibly unobservant. what if the women had tried to refuse them entry into their home? what would a nile freeman torn between her morals and military duty have done then? another potential establishing character moment wasted in favor of heavy-handed story-telling.
my point is that when picked apart nile’s introduction actually does more harm than good to her overall characterization. later in the movie we discover she’s compassionate, principled, very much able to think for herself and motivated by doing good. but we deduce all this from her consistent actions. the intro all but sticks a giant neon ‘SHE’S SO GOOD ISN’T SHE SO GOOD’ label on nile while actually making her look little more than unobservant and vaguely patronizing. because i think the goal isn’t to characterize nile as much as to say ‘we know some of our viewers find the us military reprehensible so here are our half-assed attempts to morally divorce nile from everything questionable. yes, she’s a cog in an imperialist machine, but isn’t she SO GOOD?’
it doesn’t work.
Yusuf
at the hotel - sketch
on a super personal and subjective level i have been thinking about how when recontextualizing yusuf in modern au i'm kiiiind of uncomfortable with the implications of maintaining his upper class background as a key characteristic, which inevitably leads to the conclusion that in the kind of au i want to be writing the other option is for him to be from the banlieue; and while i understand the drive to go from "scholar in the middle ages" to "academic in the modern era" i think we're REALLY missing out on the logical leap from poet to rapper
there are so many songs i want to link so that people can see i really have a point here i have PUT THOUGHT INTO THIS but this is going to be me screaming into the void again because the universe is homophobic and no one cares to translate french rap songs
HIS STAGE NAME IS AL-TAYYIB
médine songs that sound like they could have been written by yusuf al-kaysani, an extremely biased list to justify my agenda:
- porteur saint
-> a raw, extremely honest look at the instrumentalization of religion from a muslim perspective
- allumettes
-> written in the wake of the november 2015 paris attack, this song denounces western governments who sponsor terror in the third world and then decry "islamism" on their own soil
- prose élite
-> the title is an obvious pun on the word proselytism. this is a song about rap as poetry, and about the two art worlds of france: the white, bourgeois "classics" versus the folk culture of the working class
- storyteller
-> a reflexion on historical narratives and whose perspective is valued when teaching history. médine here reasserts his self-appointed role of historian of the people (many of his songs are simply him recounting events that don't get taught in french schools) and asks wider questions about what we consider neutral narration, and what responsibility anyone who tells stories holds
- alger roi
-> unsurprisingly this is a song about algiers, but specifically about algiers being the revolutionary capital of africa - and at some point of the entire third world. it's peppered with references to 20th century anti-imperialist revolutionaries
- self defense
-> with malcolm x's historic "by any means necessary" 1964 speech in the background, this is a song about 1) the necessary violence of the oppressed, with multiple internationalist references (notably a call for the liberation of AIM freedom finger leonard peltier and ex black panther mumia abu-jamal, and homages to both the palestinian and afro-american causes), and 2) again a reassertion of the need to remember history as colonized people and the duty he personally has as a poet to serve as a living reminder through his work
unidentified ficlet set in the lebanese nicky alternate universe that has been living in my google docs for way too long
Andy is perched up on Nicolò’s kitchen counter, her legs swinging. It should be annoying, especially in such a cramped space, but instead it is just heartwarming— Nicolò likes having someone in the same space as him when he cooks as long as they don’t try to intervene, and Andy wouldn’t participate in any sort of meal preparation if he paid her, which makes her perfect. Nicolò is aware that he’s a control freak. The first step is admitting you have a problem, a voice that sounds suspiciously like Yusuf’s chimes in at the back of his head.
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what are you gonna do, kill me?
i, for one, love that nicky's look is so generic it looks like he's in every single wikihow illustration
You seem like the Person To Ask about this sort of thing, so I hope this is okay. I've seen a lot of people writing Joe's full name as 'Yusuf ibn Ibrahim ibn Muhammad ibn al-Kaysani', and I'm pretty sure that last 'ibn' is wrong, since 'al-Kaysani' is a surname, not an ancestor, and 'ibn' is just 'son of' - but I wanted to make extra double sure and maybe have something to reblog about it. 'Yusuf ibn Ibrahim ibn Muhammed al-Kaysani', right?
as, like, a personal choice, i ommit the third ibn when i write his name, mostly to remain coherent with the fact fandom seems to have collectively decided early on that yusuf's "modern" full name is yusuf al-kaysani, implying indeed that al-kaysani is his family name. and also, to be frank, because i think it sounds better and because greg rucka has given me exactly zero reasons to believe he put much thought into the naming process and so i don't feel particularly bad about tweaking things.
that being said, it is... not actually grammatically inaccurate for an ibn to precede an al-something name, contrarily to popular belief. medieval naming conventions in arabic were very logical, and names were constituted of known components that followed specific rules, but the way these components were arranged could actually be quite varied.
in the case of yusuf, we either have
yusuf ibn ibrahim ibn muhammad al-kaysani, ism + nasab 1st generation + nasab 2nd generation + nisba
OR
yusuf ibn ibrahim ibn muhammad ibn al-kaysani, ism + three generations of nasab
how is that possible? because sometimes people were known by their nisba in their lifetime (or by their laqab, but al-kaysani because of its -i ending either indicates descent or geographical origin and as such is almost certainly a nisba). if yusuf's great-grandfather was mostly known simply as al-kaysani, then it is very possible his son was named muhammad ibn al-kaysani, etc.
this makes both names objectively correct as far as arabic naming practices go. however: 1) while not unheard of, names containing three generations of nasab were quite uncommon. we do have historical examples going up to four, so it's not impossible! but it is less likely. 2) considering we have all taken to calling him yusuf al-kaysani, we've effectively decided that al-kaysani is his nisba. in that case, indeed, the ibn is incorrect.
while we're at it, because i know we got his full name from that one comic panel in which we are also given the laqab "al-tayyib": the way yusuf introduces himself in that panel is actually quite coherent with writings at the time (which tells me greg did some research?? but the inconsistencies are BAFFLING), in which people were introduced by their full name and then "also known as [insert epithet]" would follow. as such when introduced by one of his contemporaries yusuf's full name would be yusuf ibn ibrahim ibn muhammad al-kaysani, al-ma'ruf bi al-tayyib. but in colloquial speech the laqab follows the ism, and very often is enough to identify someone without their pedigree, and so to most people yusuf would actually be known as yusuf al-tayyib, or simply al-tayyib.
I’m about to combust where’s the sequel, where’s the SEQUEL
fanfic: joe and nicky stop killing each other after several dozen attempts, establish an uneasy truce, then spend months, years, or even decades slowly getting used to each other and then falling in love
canon apparently: joe and nicky killed each other a simple FOUR(4) times and then immediately fucked on the ground outside jerusalems walls