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Can I ask you something? I just wanted to say I don't blame you for still supporting Seungri and ot5. I think you're being more honest and have more integrity than a lot of other people. But I'm genuinely curious what you think about the Seungri scandal? Do you think he's just a scapegoat for someone more powerful? Or what? What's your opinion on this?

Dear Anon, I’ve been mulling over how to best answer your ask because this is such a serious and sensitive topic. This is someone’s life we’re talking about. And there are very serious accusations being (not so lightly) tossed around by the public and the media.

So let me start with supporting Seungri and ot5. Because it’s not so black and white or as simple as supporting Ri or supporting ot5. This is a much deeper issue for me. I know I’ve said this before but it’s worth repeating. This issue is about someone’s basic human right to the presumption of innocence. To see people on this site and others stating “fuck innocent until proven guilty” and “I just know that he’s guilty” is not only disappointing but horrifying. Who are these people who think they can select who gets to have that right? Do they even understand the implications of those statements? I want anyone who has uttered those statements or something in a similar vein to include the name of someone they love dearly in there and let me know if they still feel the same way about the presumption of innocence.

I’ve also mentioned before that I am waiting for a final verdict. Because we don’t have all the information yet. No one does. Not even the police. And let’s face it the media has been less than forthcoming in their reporting. They’ve altered chats, left information out, and used Seungri’s name and photo as clickbait in articles that have nothing to do with him. And now we find out that 200 journalists, producers, and other media personnel were involved in a group chat where they requested and shared footage of the women who are the assault victims. Yet people will still blindly believe everything the media tells them. Even more concerning is that very few people seem to care about this group chat.

Do I think Seungri is a scapegoat for someone more powerful? This is a really hard question to answer because we don’t have all the information yet and there are so many intertwining parts to this issue. Is he the scapegoat to cover up Jang Ja Yeon’s death? There are rumors involving a Chosun executive and Jang Ja Yeon. Then there’s the former Burning Sun employee who said he would take everyone down using Seungri’s name. Is it a little bit of both? Tbh, I don’t know. I don’t know if we will ever know the truth about that. So what can we believe? What do I believe?

It’s been four months and Seungri has been investigated 17 times by the police. And they still don’t have enough for an arrest warrant. According to the police, there are 4 charges being filed against Seungri – prostitution, embezzlement, distribution of illegal material, and violation of the food sanitation law. Let’s look at each of these. The police have been trying to pin a prostitution charge on Seungri any way they can. From prostitution at his birthday party (where guests said the sex was consensual) to prostitution at the Gatsby Fantastic Festival (where Japanese investors have flatly denied that they took part in such activities and where the police refuse to hear testimony from them). I personally don’t have an issue with prostitution (as long as it is consensual) and I’ve noticed that some of the same people who are up in arms about the alleged prostitutes are also the same people who have posts on their blogs supporting sex workers. What do they think prostitutes are? And for those who believe Seungri sold women or young girls please provide your official police source for that information. So that brings us to embezzlement. The police are trying to claim that Seungri misappropriated funds from his own club, Monkey Museum. Those funds were used to retain a lawyer for a dj who worked at the club. The courts have upheld that there is no criminal liability if payment of lawyer’s fees are made to promote the company’s interests. Police also have tried to claim that money was funneled to Yuri Holdings by Burning Sun. That payment was for the brand use of the name Monkey Museum. Next is the charge of distribution of illegal material. Let’s just get this out of the way – Seungri was NOT in the molka gc. The charge of distribution of illegal materials stems over a photo he shared in a completely different gc of a partially clothed woman. The photo was not taken by Seungri and the woman was photographed with her consent. Lastly, we have the charge of violation of the food sanitation law. This charge was about Monkey Museum being registered as a restaurant. The fine for that charge has already been paid and is no longer relevant. All other allegations against Seungri (collusion, drug use, the police costume, etc.) have either been dropped or it was concluded that Seungri was not guilty.

I know someone is going to say that he knew what the others were doing. And I ask you how do you know that he knew what was going on in another chat that he wasn’t part of? Because of the 20 second video JJY posted in the business chat that Seungri told him to stop sending? How do you know Ri knew what that video was? If you opened a video and recognized your friend having sex would you continue to watch it? I’m guessing not. Would you automatically assume it was taken without consent? Would you ask? For all those who say he knew what his friends were doing, I ask you this question… tell me right now what the third conversation your mom (or sister, or dad, or bff, etc.) had yesterday was. Who was it with and what was the conversation about? I bet you can’t. These are people who are close to you and you probably don’t know. Yet people assume Seungri knows everything his friends and associates do.

You wanted to know what I think about the Seungri scandal. I’m afraid I don’t have all the answers because I don’t have all of the information. The investigation is still ongoing. And Seungri’s lawyer has said that we will hear Seungri’s side of all of this once the investigation is complete. I will continue to wait for all of the information to come in and to also hear Seungri’s side. At this point in the investigation though it seems to me that Seungri is being used as the face of this scandal because of his fame. Those who have actually been arrested are not getting nearly as much attention as Seungri has. You have to ask yourself why that is. Seungri is being tried by the media and public in a kangaroo court. I hope in the end justice will prevail and the victims will not be forgotten in all of this. I hope Seungri will be investigated fairly and that the facts will be reported accurately. I hope that the right people are punished for what they have done because punishing the wrong people won’t help the victims at all.

If anyone has any questions about something I’ve said, please ask me. Asking is always better than assuming.

heraaisvip

ABOUT SEUNGRI (Part 2)

For all those friends of mine who were all disappointed in Seungri, because you know, “Trash human being knew his friends were drugging and raping girls and DID nothing about it, could have gone to the police! DROPPING HIM! UNSTANNING HIM!” And so on and so forth…

Boy am I here for you with some good news… It’s sad that we can’t rely on media at all in this case, because you know how media has always been with BIGBANG, If you have been around in the fandom long enough, it’s a SHIT STORM.

The good news is that It’s been confirmed and proven, that Seungri had nothing to do with Molka chat groups and was not part of it. I repeat, he did not know what these people were doing because he was not part of the group chat where they were doing this.

The most he saw was a 20 sec clip of a sex tape JJY made with his then girlfriend and the sex in it was consensual, and he asked JJY to stop sharing them when they met face to face, because it was supposed to be private stuff and that JJY would get in trouble for obscenity, because that is what Seungri thought it was. A sex video, which is extremely common in Korean culture. Seungri did not know that JJY and friends were drugging and raping girls and filming them. It’s CONFIRMED by police now. Hence he was not charged with any of it.

This is where facts about this end, as my opinion starts because all of you based a lot of your arguments against him on pure conjecture about a partial statement which is still not confirmed that Seungri made. So if I may be as bold as you all have been, please consider- ’If Seungri is someone who face to face confronted JJY about sharing videos that generally in Korea are common and thought to be harmless( which they are not), had Seungri known what actually was happening, would he have done something about it? I think he would have.’ But you see that is conjecture. Lets get back to the facts again

FACTS: Those chat screen-shots you saw about Seungri were fake - and in case of prostitution allegations (Now also proven - do you hear the crickets chirping?) misinterpreted.

I am flummoxed if it surprises any of you that Media has been outright lying, exaggerating, sensationalizing to sell ad-space all along because, you know, BIGBANG sells. It’s not like G-Dragon and also TOP have not said anything about how media is always sniffing the air for their blood and if their isn’t any, out for taking a bite out of them anyway right? RIGHT?

Also facts: That in over 90 hours of investigating him, and even after having full access of his phone and records the only thing that he ever did wrong in 4 years is shared ONE Pornographic picture, which was neither taken by him and was not non-consensual either. Almost all of us have done that, but because it’s illegal in South Korea to share obscene materials. So by that count, he will get a fine.

Also fact: That all these things they accused him of doing, happened in 2015, 4 years ago.. yes, you remember 2015, when Seungri was globe-trotting with BIGBANG.Seungri who has 3200 contacts in his phone. From all over the world.

The media is now furious, because they thought they HAD Seungri. He is a clubber, a high-roller so automatically, if they look hard enough, then they would find something to pin him with right??? WELL, guess what BITCHES? You may find it irritating, but I will repeat myself.

FACTS: The dude had receipts from as far back as 2013-2014. Has been tested rigorously 3 times for drugs and came out NEGATIVE and has been investigated for 80+ hours, and they could not even stick him with an arrest warrant.

As for the prostitution.

FACTS: They tried, but all the Japanese investors who these alleged prostitutes were procured for said they were there with their WIVES and that they would testify in court for Seungri and will be willing to be investigated. So that remains in balance still.

So… I now leave it to you. You can go all conspiracy theories and whatever you like, of course you can, because of course there is a possibility that your Ego is bigger than someone’s life’s work their struggle and human rights, and the pain of the actual victims, and you won’t admit that you were wrong and misled grossly, something that is also a violation of your own basic rights,

But, there is also a possibility that it’s not. There is a possibility that you’re humanity is bigger than your ego so that you can accept the most probable truth that is staring you in the face.

The truth that Seungri was innocent all along, like he kept insisting.

The truth that the guy, you invested 13 years of love and devotion (Or perhaps just tolerated) into was really not a BAD GUY after all. The truth that and that the media and the govt. used him and his face as a scapegoat to let some BIG fishes escape, and because the sheep mentality is so rampant, they GOT AWAY WITH IT TOO .Good thing Seungri made enough money to hire himself a great legal team. His goal was not to just prove his innocence, but to also protect BIGBANG from the misfortune that had come upon him. For that he sacrificed the thing he struggled the most for. His place in BIGBANG, his reputation, his business. I think you also can make a little sacrifice and stop hating him and dragging him down. If he can’t have your love back, at least give him something as small your SILENCE.

officialyanghyunsuk

Girl I totally agree with the Seungri post, I'm just too scared to post anything about it. There's so much false allegations going on but people don't want to hear it now, they've already "cancelled" him

I agree! The perception around him is heavily based on what stan twitter/tumblr want to think. My main question regardless of situation is always this: why can’t you wait for BOTH sides of the story?

He clearly said wait till investigations are done and I’m not letting what stantwt/tumblr thinks get in the way of that. I know whats its like when someone believes the other side but refuses to even acknowledge what you have to say. And that fucking hurt a lot, gave me anxiety for months.

I’ve been on the online fandoms since 2010, I’ve seen how it’s become a tool for growth but also toxicity. Majority of the tweets/threads floating around are all fake and mislead but nobody cares, they just care about cancelling. It’s whatever at this point.

He asked us to wait for his side and after stanning him for more than half my life it’s the least I owe myself, right?

Imagine using actual, genuine interactions between the group and manipulate it so it fits your hateful agenda. Pretty much a disgusting behavior for me. I hope they find some sense in their blind hatred and not use a kpop gossip fact as legit sources. It’s tragic, but I guess that’s tumblr for you. I’m not even going to listen to what they have to say by the fact they only want to hear one side of the story. It already proves their incompetence and their lack of reasoning. There’s always two sides of the story and you should judge the story by examining both sides.

daesungindistress

Speaking of tension, remember Seungri surprising Daesung on his bday dome concert? Most VIPs gushed about it, but many Dae stans picked up on how displeased, strained and almost pissed Daesung seemed at points. Looking back, many thought it might have been bc Daesung was possibly worried that Seungri might inadvertently reveal sensitive info about TOP, esp since his incident hadn't yet been revealed. But I was so glad when they starting singing bc the exchange prior to that was so uncomfortable

Oh anon… of course I remember. I wrote about it at length here and here… and here’s another link about the call from TOP. And a short video of the moment Seungri appears onstage and surprises Daesung. There might be more than that, but that’s all I can find at the moment using my tags. I think this incident is on YouTube too. (btw I’m embarrassed to be providing those links because the things I wrote about Seungri… it’s so uncomfortable now.)

I gushed about it, sure, but the tension was painfully obvious. I just… didn’t feel right writing about it too critically, you know? Not back then. I think I tried so hard to see things in a positive light, or put a positive spin on them, even when it was apparent that something troubled lurked beneath the surface. Daesung was clearly… well, if not unhappy, then unsettled by his surprise appearance. I noticed that even though Seungri also attended GDYB’s concerts later that year, taking to the stage in both of them just as he did at Dae’s, he made sure to ask beforehand – he didn’t show up unannounced again.

I think I wrote down some speculation about the content of that phone call that Seungri was hinting at before Daesung stopped him, after the news of TOP’s scandal broke later that summer. But I have no idea how I would find it again on my blog so not even gonna try. I just remember thinking that Daesung’s visible discomfort at Seungri’s impromptu tell-all suddenly made sense.

It also didn’t help that Seungri had just walked onto his stage, wearing one of his tour jackets and equipped with an earpiece like he belonged there (which Daesung teased him about: “Are you going to sing?”) and promptly took control of his audience. All without permission or any sort of advance notice. His Dome tour, his fans, his birthday celebration. By all appearances it was a kind gesture by Seungri and it earned a lot of smiles from the fans, but deep down I always thought something about it stunk. Some people enjoy these kinds of surprises. I don’t think Daesung is one of them.

The tension’s always been there… and I loved toying with it in fic. In a way I might even miss it. But what’s done is done. I just hope this means that things will be a little easier, a little more relaxed for Daesung going forward.

4seungri

Yikes creating imaginary scenarios out of scenes like this and they call us delusional 🥵

daesungindistress

Those weren't quite the faces I was referring to. It was your post to the anon talking about Jiyong's prophecy,the pictures you used for that were the faces I was talking about. The way he was looking at Jiyong while he was saying his 5 year prediction.

Ah, these two. The wide eyes, the furrowed brow. Looking past Seungri, behind him, to lock eyes with Jiyong.

I wanted to include Daesung in this because I find his expression pretty funny too, eyes on the floor and all (I would say a little squinted too, but… with the image quality and the makeup, I really can’t tell 😂). This is the face you make when you know something, but know you can’t say it out loud.

4seungri

Imagine taking pictures out of context to fuel your hateful agenda, how tragic

realmckitten

Dear Anons,

I hope you don’t mind me answering these together, but since they’re both asking what I think about the arrest warrant being denied I figured I would reply all at once. So in answer to your questions, I think the judge did his job. I think everyone should remember that the arrest warrant was a warrant for detainment prior to trial. There was no risk of flight on Seungri’s part as his passport had already been handed over. And he already fully cooperated with the investigation so there was no risk of him destroying evidence. Judge Shin also stated that there is room for argument regarding the main charge of embezzlement. The arrest warrant most certainly should have been rejected under these circumstances.

As for antis celebrating too early, I don’t think many of them understood what the arrest warrant was or frankly cared. It seems like they are only concerned with their hatred right now.

It is important to note that the police have stated that they have no plans to reapply for Seungri’s arrest warrant and will now focus on the remaining investigation which they expect to conclude prior to Seungri’s enlistment. So while the warrant being denied was good and expected news, we still must wait for the investigation to be finished before anyone celebrates.