This is going to get long. Beware😅
I'm not trying to hate on this person at all. I'm just giving my take on what they said since my whole thing is giving studies that help the proship belief(i tagged the ones that fit Most with this at the bottom)Most of the stuff I'm going to be replying to links back to the creator that was mentioned at the bottom since it looks that he got most of the views from them(I apologize if I am wrong on that)
The main claim: Darkshipping is not a good coping mechanism.
And to that I say: It is subjective.
Not everyone is the same, not everyone uses it the same.
Yes, they can see it as hot in fiction only without it affecting how they view the crimes in real life. Such studies go over "fictive pass" and "the affects of lolisho porn"(both tagged at the bottom). It goes over how fiction will not change attraction if the attraction is not already there, and how people will view circumstances differently if they believe it is fiction. And in the lolisho article it is told that the hentai watchers actually prefer fictional characters over real people.
And an important thing to add into your brain is desensitization ≠ belief. People with autism and aspd might not have a strong reaction to obviously wrong things. Does that mean that everyone who doesn't have a strong reaction thinks it's ok? No! Some things are based on sensibility and facts. Morals are not always based off feelings.
Most darkshippers have bpd, hypersexuality, and so on. Neither of those would make someone believe it would be ok in real life. Hypersexuality can give unwanted sexual thoughts, about things that would he horrid to act upon irl. Distress is common within it and fiction could be a safe outlet to get it out.
The part where it says "You have to understand that these crimes have/can happen" to a group of people who have most likely had these crimes happen to them and implying that they do not understand how real the crimes are, does seem a little out of touch. But I do understand where they're coming from.
Victims of these crimes will know better than anyone about how they feel interacting with such media. It is not uncommon that kink is used as a coping strategy. Many people develop a CNC kink after being sexually assaulted. They wish for that control back, and exploring these thoughts in a safe environment is healthy.
There are techniques in therapy specifically designed to desensitize you to your trauma. It's so the trauma holder has less of reaction when interacting with triggering topics. While I do not believe darkshipping should be a main coping mechanism, it could be the only thing keeping someone here.
The whole point of using fiction as a coping mechanism is to make your trauma seem like it didn't take over your life completely. So you don't have such a strong reaction to your own trauma, helps you can properly function in everyday life(basically desensitization)
For the TikToker mentioned. I do not mean to discredit anything she says, but it does seem pretty biased. She is an anti and one of the first thing I see when I go onto her account is this.
This shows she doesn't have a clear understanding of the proship belief. Proshippers believe every SHIP has the right to exist. Assuming she meant profic, that also wouldn't work out. We do not believe any FICTION should be censored. Just calling someone a slur is not fiction. If they mean stuff like the book "To kill a Mockingbird". Then yes, those books have the right to exist. Do I believe non-black people should be saying/writing the n-word though? No. But my personal comfort should not determine what should be censored.
I watched the 3 videos of "fiction affects reality" the first two have no studies and is complete opinion. During one of these she says "A predator who has lolisho content should be put in jail". Already losing the credibility. Lolisho content does not make someone a predator. They do not deserve to go to jail for having lolisho content. And if she is talking about an actual predator, then why is the main focus on lolisho content and not the fact that they were actively harming children?As well as implying that age play is paedophilic when she started going over the kink-tober list. Again, lost credibility. Age play is two consenting adults where nobody is harmed.
Other than that, the comments she agreed with. She liked one comment saying proshippers have low IQ and are "intellectual". She also liked anti-kink and radfem type comments. Yes, incest(FAUXCEST)can be a kink. Racism can be a kink. "Crime" can be a kink. As long as its in a safe, consenting environment then it doesn't matter. "It's an insult to actual kinky behaviors" but you hate on actual kinky behaviors. Taboo kinks are fine to explore, especially in fiction. Yes, women can be masochistic and can engage with consensual acts with their male partner. Yes other people can get off to that, especially when it's fictional because NOBODY is getting hurt. Lost credibility.
In one of these videos she says "I hope I didn't come off as too sympathizing to people who read and write rape fanfiction". What does that even mean? Why would you need to sympathize with them? They are exploring kinks in a safe environment with... basically obejcts. She also at no point showed that she felt bad for the people making those fics and didn't at all make it seem like having kinks were ok.
She also says in one of the videos "True crime is not about the "problematicness" but more so the mystery" The mystery of who did the problematic. Murder, rape, torture, are problematic. I highly doubt that people are watching true crime to find out who the murderer is. If they did, they could just look it up. They are watching it for the problematic. If people just posted videos naming a case and then the murderer, true crime wouldn't be as popular. She continued on by saying "People believing they are detectives after watching a Stephanie Soo video only furthers my point". It doesn't. The victims of those crimes are real, they aren't fiction. Yes, some people may feel a want to help real people after listening to real people getting murdered. Do they sometimes take it to far? Yes. But again, those are real cases. Again, lost credibility.
Again, she liked a comment about fiction affecting reality. But the example that was used WAS THE SLENDERMAN STABBING! The stabbing with two schizophrenic girls who actually believed slenderman was REAL. The two girls who couldn't tell the difference between fiction and reality. Lost credibility.
The last comment that she liked before moving onto the studies she sighted. She liked a comment saying "'Don't like, don't read' CHECK THAT HARD DRIVE!!!!". Implying that that statement was inherently pedophilic. The term "don't like, don't read" is in response to censorship. Again. Credibility has been lost.
Now for the studies she used. I can only find the abstracts for all them. If you have the full ones, please give them to me.
Maybe it says something different in the full article, but in the video she says that female and male both had lower empathy for rape victims after watching the movies, while in the article it said that females were not affected by the film type. But the men were. This could easily be in result of environment. Males since the 1800's have been more accepting of rape. This isn't misandry, this is factual, and this study can be used to prove it. So for this study: It is most likely the environment, based on the fact that males were more accepting and females weren't affected by the film type.
This was the only good study they used in regards to "fiction" affecting reality. Since I can not find the full study, I have questions that aren't answered. Did they see it as fiction? Did they have some of these beliefs before? Could it be like the movie one? Little answered and I can't find the reasoning for this. However, I do believe that this can be compared to propaganda(not the study, the people listening to the music) where they only believe it because they want to (That's one of the main rules of propaganda) and this is one where you have to question yourself. If you are trans, would a song about hating trans people change your mind?
I'm going to use this from now on, I do not know if it said anything different in the full study(if you have it please give it to me) but it basically says at the bottom that "viewing it as fiction made it have a less effective stimulus"
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I'm not going to say that the original poster is wrong, because he might actually believe that stuff and it would be rude to deny his beliefs simply because I don't believe with them. However, his views and that post could very well give antis another reason to hate on darkshippers. "Even the darkshipper agrees" on stuff that isn't factually correct.
Using an anti who has no idea what the proship/profic belief is about to prove that darkshipping isn't a good coping mechanism does not look good for us. Especially when the stuff they're saying makes them lose credibility .
I do recommend staying away from antis AND proshippers when you want to have an opinion on something. Do research of your own. Form your own opinion. I do post studies you can read on your own, antis post studies you can read on your own. Question yourself and see if it applies to you.
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Fiction not affecting beliefs:
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Using fiction as a coping mechanism:
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