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Thoughts on some discussion I saw floating around for the Beast-Yeast Ep.10 Trailer. Please excuse any typos or anything like that, I have been up all night oops. Tried to clean things up and make them more sensical in the transcript below.
Links;
Youtube Video On How Corsets Affect A Plus Size Figure; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvy8N61YnI
History of Corsets 1780-1912; https://silhouettescostumes.com/the-eras-we-build/history-of-corsets-1780-1912/
Transcript;
Image One
"Hello! Ive seen a lot of people very confused about Hollyberry Cookie's awakened form in light of the trailer drop and I wanted to try and explain things!
Note that I am not very good at explaining things nor a dress historian myself however I do know a lot as a freelance sewist and autistic individual.
This explanation heavily relies on pictures to convey my point, but since this font is unique a transcript will be avaliable in the "read more".
So why does Hollyberry look so much skinnier in her awakened form?"
Image Two
"The difference here lies in fabric weight primarily and how it sits on a body.
Typically, Tighter clothes will make someone look smaller, and looser clothes can make them look bigger.
No one person looks the same size in every outfit.
The way fabric falls on a body varies heavily on the fabric and the cut of a cloth. One silk dress of one pattern does not look the same as a completely different silk dress.
I have tried to pick women of a similar size to use for these examples.
Armour is constrictive, heavy, and a dress is more light and flowy. (To A Certain Degree, will explain.)"
Image Three
"However, that explanation is not all encompassing.
We're going to have to take a look at Victorian* clothing to understand more.
A big part of this lies in her corset and the layering surrounding so.
A corset is not typically constrictive, nor does it function like a chest binder or a waist cincher. They were used as we use bras today.
It appears to me that Hollyberry wears a corset at *all* times, in every outfit of hers.
*The term Victorian here is used for audience familiarity and ease of communication, however it is not entirely accurate. I will also compile some sources and such in the "read more" If you are curious."
Image Four
"Like all other garments, not all corsets are created equally. Different methods are used in different eras, and different corsets are used for different things.
While most european human history leaves a lot to be desired in terms of womens rights, we can imagine that a 'battle corset' would exist in the case needed.
However I cannot even find evidence of athletic corsets beyond cosplay and fantasy.
This type of corset, however, would be similar to a sports bra. Breathable, but hold everything together. This would be especially desirable at war.
! - While looking for references for this post, I found a youtube video going into how different corsets affect the way the same plus sized body appears, which would be great to look at if you're more intimately curious about how exactly these differences are at play and with plus sized individuals."
Image 5
"Which means that the structure of undergarments in both outfits is widely different, and would greatly effect how her body appears.
More "constrictive" undergarments (Like an aformentioned sports bra, or our imagined "battle corset") make the body look much smaller. Less constrictive undergarments will be more true to one's actual form.
A lot of Hollyberry's mass in her design is in her chest, which means alterations to the corset that she is wearing would change a *lot*!
Undergarments can make a huge difference in your measurements and how your body fat is aligned, especially corsets, stays, etc."
Image 6
"While I do not know a lot about how armour works especially intimately, nor could I find any real-life references of plus sized women in such. I do know quite a lot about historical women's dresswear.
Hollyberry's dress is beyond "fluffy".
To me, it appears to be a traditional european dress made up of many different pieces.
Since this is Cookie Run, I cannot pinpoint a specific time period, however I can vauge at anypoint between the 1700s-1800s.
Dresses, In a generalized sense, are build out of much more than just a dress that you slip on. Many dresses for royalty are even more extravagant.
Here are some fairly generalized examples of the pieces put together to make a "dress". Different time periods dress much differently, however.
It can be assumed that it is Hollyberry's petticoat sticking out at the base of her dress here."
Image 7
"Breaking down Hollyberry's dress into pieces;
Historically speaking, a lot of dresses were built of multiple different pieces, whereas nowadays, all of these pieces would be sewn together for efficiency, if a replica was to be made in the first place.
(A breakdown of each piece of her dress/outfit is written down, outlining each piece in a different color over her sprite.)
"Shirts" are quite long and vary extremely, and are more comparable to a short slip dress than a modern shirt.
However I am just guessing, the build of this dress could be a bit (or a lot) different, ex including an underdress etc.
With the sillohute given, I can also assume she is wearing a hoopskirt.
Naturally, She would also be wearing undergarments. Chimeses and a corset most likely.
Conclusion: 10 Or More Pieces."
Image 8
"These two things will probably never sit the same on someone's body."
Image 9
"Hollyberry most definitely is still plus-sized especially when compared to other cookies. Though, while her dress may (not definitive) build up her figure a lot, it is *not* just her dress making her appear so large!
Random (Thin) cookies for comparisons sake.
The shapes of these two illustrations are a bit different, however, that doesnt mean that Hollyberry's body is different now. (See previous images)
I definitely want to mention that her bodytype appears more consistient in this leaked arena statue rather than the animated trailer."
Image 10
"And I want to mention that the animated cutscenes are always a bit "off model" of finished sprites. For aura or somthing. It definitely strikes me as odd that Hollyberry looks so different.
I do not believe it *entirely* lies in her dress, however her clothing is a contributor."
Image 11
"However, I do not blame you for feeling alarmed when you compare these two images.
From a fashion and arts perspective, it is apparant to me that her body type is consistient between her awakened form and her default, and remains plus sized. Hopefully, it is clearer that it is so in her sprites when the update fully drops."
Image 12
"I hope that this was at least a bit interesting and helps enlighten you a bit on why Hollyberry could look so different!!
Remember that any of us could always be wrong *or* right, and I hope you all have fun when the update comes out!
Wanted to put my theory into practice in a much more comical sense, so I scaled up illustrations and sprites to all match eachother so that nothing is misrepresented. (Like the heads sitting in the sameish place and same size when overlayed etc)
Traced over awakened Hollyberrys leg and then put that over default Hollyberry, and it is roughly the same.
No matter what, you can fit three Cream Unicorn Cookie legs inside of one Hollyberry Cookie leg (meaning that she would be 3x the size of them and many other thin cookies.)
This is not expertly done, but her clothes are definitely effecting how she looks in BOTH outfits, and she is definitely still plus sized.
The overlay is definitely not perfect though and reiterates my point of the animated cutscene being a bit "off model."
Thoughts on some discussion I saw floating around for the Beast-Yeast Ep.10 Trailer. Please excuse any typos or anything like that, I have been up all night oops. Tried to clean things up and make them more sensical in the transcript below.
Links;
Youtube Video On How Corsets Affect A Plus Size Figure; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSvy8N61YnI
History of Corsets 1780-1912; https://silhouettescostumes.com/the-eras-we-build/history-of-corsets-1780-1912/
Transcript;
Image One
"Hello! Ive seen a lot of people very confused about Hollyberry Cookie's awakened form in light of the trailer drop and I wanted to try and explain things!
Note that I am not very good at explaining things nor a dress historian myself however I do know a lot as a freelance sewist and autistic individual.
This explanation heavily relies on pictures to convey my point, but since this font is unique a transcript will be avaliable in the "read more".
So why does Hollyberry look so much skinnier in her awakened form?"
Image Two
"The difference here lies in fabric weight primarily and how it sits on a body.
Typically, Tighter clothes will make someone look smaller, and looser clothes can make them look bigger.
No one person looks the same size in every outfit.
The way fabric falls on a body varies heavily on the fabric and the cut of a cloth. One silk dress of one pattern does not look the same as a completely different silk dress.
I have tried to pick women of a similar size to use for these examples.
Armour is constrictive, heavy, and a dress is more light and flowy. (To A Certain Degree, will explain.)"
Image Three
"However, that explanation is not all encompassing.
We're going to have to take a look at Victorian* clothing to understand more.
A big part of this lies in her corset and the layering surrounding so.
A corset is not typically constrictive, nor does it function like a chest binder or a waist cincher. They were used as we use bras today.
It appears to me that Hollyberry wears a corset at *all* times, in every outfit of hers.
*The term Victorian here is used for audience familiarity and ease of communication, however it is not entirely accurate. I will also compile some sources and such in the "read more" If you are curious."
Image Four
"Like all other garments, not all corsets are created equally. Different methods are used in different eras, and different corsets are used for different things.
While most european human history leaves a lot to be desired in terms of womens rights, we can imagine that a 'battle corset' would exist in the case needed.
However I cannot even find evidence of athletic corsets beyond cosplay and fantasy.
This type of corset, however, would be similar to a sports bra. Breathable, but hold everything together. This would be especially desirable at war.
! - While looking for references for this post, I found a youtube video going into how different corsets affect the way the same plus sized body appears, which would be great to look at if you're more intimately curious about how exactly these differences are at play and with plus sized individuals."
Image 5
"Which means that the structure of undergarments in both outfits is widely different, and would greatly effect how her body appears.
More "constrictive" undergarments (Like an aformentioned sports bra, or our imagined "battle corset") make the body look much smaller. Less constrictive undergarments will be more true to one's actual form.
A lot of Hollyberry's mass in her design is in her chest, which means alterations to the corset that she is wearing would change a *lot*!
Undergarments can make a huge difference in your measurements and how your body fat is aligned, especially corsets, stays, etc."
Image 6
"While I do not know a lot about how armour works especially intimately, nor could I find any real-life references of plus sized women in such. I do know quite a lot about historical women's dresswear.
Hollyberry's dress is beyond "fluffy".
To me, it appears to be a traditional european dress made up of many different pieces.
Since this is Cookie Run, I cannot pinpoint a specific time period, however I can vauge at anypoint between the 1700s-1800s.
Dresses, In a generalized sense, are build out of much more than just a dress that you slip on. Many dresses for royalty are even more extravagant.
Here are some fairly generalized examples of the pieces put together to make a "dress". Different time periods dress much differently, however.
It can be assumed that it is Hollyberry's petticoat sticking out at the base of her dress here."
Image 7
"Breaking down Hollyberry's dress into pieces;
Historically speaking, a lot of dresses were built of multiple different pieces, whereas nowadays, all of these pieces would be sewn together for efficiency, if a replica was to be made in the first place.
(A breakdown of each piece of her dress/outfit is written down, outlining each piece in a different color over her sprite.)
"Shirts" are quite long and vary extremely, and are more comparable to a short slip dress than a modern shirt.
However I am just guessing, the build of this dress could be a bit (or a lot) different, ex including an underdress etc.
With the sillohute given, I can also assume she is wearing a hoopskirt.
Naturally, She would also be wearing undergarments. Chimeses and a corset most likely.
Conclusion: 10 Or More Pieces."
Image 8
"These two things will probably never sit the same on someone's body."
Image 9
"Hollyberry most definitely is still plus-sized especially when compared to other cookies. Though, while her dress may (not definitive) build up her figure a lot, it is *not* just her dress making her appear so large!
Random (Thin) cookies for comparisons sake.
The shapes of these two illustrations are a bit different, however, that doesnt mean that Hollyberry's body is different now. (See previous images)
I definitely want to mention that her bodytype appears more consistient in this leaked arena statue rather than the animated trailer."
Image 10
"And I want to mention that the animated cutscenes are always a bit "off model" of finished sprites. For aura or somthing. It definitely strikes me as odd that Hollyberry looks so different.
I do not believe it *entirely* lies in her dress, however her clothing is a contributor."
Image 11
"However, I do not blame you for feeling alarmed when you compare these two images.
From a fashion and arts perspective, it is apparant to me that her body type is consistient between her awakened form and her default, and remains plus sized. Hopefully, it is clearer that it is so in her sprites when the update fully drops."
Image 12
"I hope that this was at least a bit interesting and helps enlighten you a bit on why Hollyberry could look so different!!
Remember that any of us could always be wrong *or* right, and I hope you all have fun when the update comes out!
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