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#they can pry this part of the intro from my cold dead hands (@janelevy)
Hot take but Rhaenyra and Alicentâs dynamic in 1x06 and 1x07 was kind of iconic. It lowkey felt like true asoiaf with them as political rivals and friends turned enemies. Both women were on the council and actually competent, Rhaenyraâs power move making sure EVERYONE saw her bleeding through the castle when Alicent insisted the baby be presented to her and Alicentâs lines being closer to her book counterpart, Alicent feeling like sheâs going insane as viserys continues to deny the reality of his grandsons parentage which we are also shown that this isnât just frustrating over Rhaenyra âgetting to do what she wantsâ but also her genuine fear that this could increase the chances of her legitimate childrenâs demise. That whole scene after Aemond loses an eye in 1x07 will always be Olivia and Emmaâs best acted moment together. Alicent breaking down in front of everybody and almost stabbing a child after years of portraying herself as the perfect, devout queen consort? Rhaenyraâs smug âthank you fatherâ while looking at Alicent? âWhere is duty? Where is sacrifice?â âExhausting isnât it? Hiding behind a cloak of your own righteousnessâ The whole thing being portrayed as nuanced with neither side being entirely in the right and neither woman being portrayed as the villain. Viserysâ blatant favouritism and neglect shown across these two episodes being catalyst for this whole situation. There was no going back for Rhaenyra and Alicent after the poison drips through to their kids.
It was Alicent Hightower who got both her grandchildren out of kingslanding in an attempt to save them before Rhaenyra took the city btw x
PHIA SABAN as QUEEN HELAENA TARGARYEN House of the Dragon | 3x02 - "Queen's Landing" (2026)
My pookie who has dismembered two human bodies, directly killed at least one person, and participated in ritualistic cannibalism not necessary for survivalđĽ°
Iâm tired of team black stans act like acknowledging that bk!Alicent had political ambitions somehow means she canât also be a victim of the system she lived in. No shit, the show didnât suddenly make her a victim she always was one.
Book Alicent was surrounded by rumors from a very young age. There are stories that she slept with Viserys before her marriage to him, rumors that Daemon took her virginity, even claims that she was involved with or molested by the elderly King Jaehaerys. Whether those rumors are true is almost beside the point. The fact that they existed at all shows how quickly a teenage girlâs reputation could become public property and itâs damaging and sexualization. Adults were openly speculating about her sexuality for political purposes when she was still around fifteen.
Otto positioned Alicent to do excessive work for Jaehaerys I, acting as his caretaker. At just 15yo she was bathing an old man and fetching his food. Then the text itself notes that people at court suspected Otto had larger ambitions and had brought Alicent to court with the intention of advancing the familyâs position "there were those who murmured that the Hand had risen above himself, that he had brought his daughter to court with this in mind." The book practically winks at the reader and says that people noticed what Otto was doing.
That doesnât mean Alicent had zero agency and It doesnât mean she never wanted power. But having ambitions does not magically erase abuse. A teenager can want power & status and still be used by her father and a woman can participate in politics and still be sexualized by the adults around her.
If her wanting to be a queen doesn't make her a victim, then Rhaenyra isn't a victim either.
What makes Alicent not loving Viserys and wanting power âshallowâ? Seriously. People act like a woman not marrying for love automatically makes her selfish or inferior but thatâs a very modern way of looking at her society. Love matches werenât the norm. Even GRRM has talked about how noble marriages were primarily political arrangements not about love.
Rhaenyra herself didnât marry Laenor because she was madly in love with him. She married him because it was politically necessary and because Viserys essentially threatened to disinherit her if she refused. So she accepted to marry him because she wanted to be a queen.
Alicent understood the world she lived in and tried to make the best of the opportunities available to her. In a society where women are expected to be silent, obedient tools for the ambitions of men, she found ways to gain influence and exercise power herself.
Thatâs not shallowness thatâs ambition. And itâs funny because people praise ambition in male characters all the time. Men can want power, and theyâre called strategic or interesting. A woman wants those same things and sheâs âshallowâ or âpower-hungry.â
Alicent actively participated in politics. She helped lead the Green Council. She built relationships and influence at court. After Viserys died, she remained one of the most politically important figures in the realm. She didnât just inherit power through a husband. She made herself politically relevant in her own right.
And the idea that she only cared about power is such a misogynistic take. We know that she genuinely loved Jaehaerys and took care of him. We know that she spent time with her children and grandchildren. We know she was close to Helaena and she suffered enormously after Blood and Cheese. We know the deaths of her children devastated her. We know that by the end of the war, grief has practically consumed her. That doesnât sound like someone who only cared about power it sounds like a woman who cared about both power and family.
And honestly, thatâs what makes her feel realistic. Most people arenât driven by only one thing. Human beings are messy. They can be ambitious and loving and they can want power and still genuinely care about their children.
Alicentâs tragedy isnât that she loved power half the nobles in Westeros love power her tragedy is that she lived in a system where power, family, survival, and duty became so tangled together that she could no longer separate them.
You donât have to think she was a good person to acknowledge that. But reducing her to a shallow woman who simply wanted a crown ignores how much of her story is about agency, family, grief, and trying to carve out influence in a world designed to deny women influence in the first place.
House Of The Dragon season 3 (2026)
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON S03E04Â â âTumbletonâ
Alicent 2x02 â Rhaenyra the Cruel HOUSE OF THE DRAGON (2022-)
They're a power man should never have trifled with.
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON âď¸ 1.1 | 1.10 | 3.1
because Ormund Hightower getting in his teenage nephewâs face and coke ranting about the glory of the Hightower Reconquista that he has made up in his head that they are divinely ordained to accomplish to because of their special blood and no one understands but them IS exactly how Daemon was moving with fifteen year-old Rhaenyra in the first season of this show. kind of insane
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON 1.03 // 2.02 #oh chair we're really in it now
I think with Ormund Hightower is being written as a religious fanatic and blood purist who believes the Hightowers have some Devine right to rule the Andals as an old money family that rules oldtown but also is of the belief that Daeron is tainted by his âsavageâ Targaryen bloodline could lead to a very interesting plotline if they also delve into the Targaryens, specifically with characters like daemon, who is also a blood purist who like ormund, sees the targtowers as lesser because of their tainted blood and refused to even consummate his marriage to a non targaryen. The targaryen belief that they are closer to gods than men, their belief in the prophecy and that they have a Devine right to rule as the last dragonriders from old Valyria. The Hightowerâs also believe that their blood deserves to be on the throne and it makes total sense that some of them have extremist views when it comes to the faith of the seven. Two rival factions, with different cultural and religious beliefs led by aristocrats whoâs entitlement has them believing that they have divine right to rule the seven kingdoms and will fight for that regardless of the harm caused to the realm is an interesting angle if the show is willing to explore it.
HOUSE OF THE DRAGON | Season 3, Episode 4, "Tumbleton"
i see this moment is the start of grrm blog crash out last year
When I saw that god awful scene of daemon and rhaena and noticed the landscape of the vale and the sheep herder in the mountains I realize this is the moment grrm crashed out last year and started that sitting sheeps don't belong in the vale blog. Grrm has said that daemon and nettles are one of his fav characters so much he wants to do a novella for her and makes sure to commission her in every official art work of fire and blood and gives deep descriptions on daemons personality. So I know when he saw that script or maybe footage? He lost it.
Anyways Book Rhaena was beloved by everyone living a soft life in the vale, she didn't need a dragon to be cunning and in the end she got the last dragon before Daenerys targeryen . And nettles though orphaned used her intelligence to tame a wild dragon something no one has ever done and claimed a dragon as a non targ which was shatters daemon mind later on, anyways spending time with daemon and house moonton she became very beloved by them as well to the point they turned again rhaneyra and declared for the greens.
But instead rhaena is neither of these things, she's unloved, isolated, depressed and just ugh (also she didn't feed him sheep! He fed her, did they forget how they wrote it?!)
Im not gonna pretend race isnt why both characters went the way they did once committed to film. Ryan and Sarah may pretend they are inclusive but they are just as disgusting , racist and anti woman as someone whos more honest..
Since you brought up nettles did you see what Condal said to justify cutting her. Iâm so glad I dropped this show
Whenever I read a condal interview I feel like Iâve just read a ridiculous Reddit post written by a fan with no experience in storytelling
Like this basically says
âHaving daemon have an âaffairâ with an underage girl and having Rhaenyra be lowkey classist and racist towards her might make them look bad and that ruins our uncle/niece power couple goals so naturally, we decided to take this boring feminine character who was a truly innocent party in this war, have her claim a wild dragon so she could become âwildâ too and be so traumatised she cuts off her hair and goes to live in a cave which makes her far more interesting to us.â
Stopping watching was a good call on your part. Not one woman has an interesting storyline this season. They could have used this Rhaena storyline to give Baela and Rhaena some good scenes together at least but sheâs been MIA since Jace died so Iâm not holding out hope.
And hereâs my thing: the affair was made up!! It was a rumor made by Mushroom. You donât HAVE to make Daemon have an affair with an underage girl!
But letâs include unneeded SA scenes, because it pushes the plot forward apparently.
The Nettles-Daemon relationship was not completely made up but the show couldâve given them an emotional, platonic bond and still included Nettlesâ story and the conflict it added to Daemon and Rhaenyraâs relationship and even touched on the power imbalance within Nettlesâ relationship even if he hadnât tried anything sexual.
I agree, we donât need to see an underage black girl being SAâd. Especially when the show has already shown an underaged Alicent being raped and they already added TWO scenes this season where Alicent is SAâd, including by her own son. Those scenes added nothing to the plot, we donât even see Alicent struggling in the aftermath or any change in her mental state.
Not Jeyne Arryn getting mean lesbian allegations because she wasnât happy about Rheaâs murderer, who had the audacity to try and steal the Royceâs land out of pure spite, showing up at her door asking for money.