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@anoneyemoose
Anonymoose - About Us
[Anonymoose discusses discourse in the alterhuman + plural communities]
All posts will be tagged accordingly for easier filtering, as well as with "#anonymoose dischorse" if applicable (no, all posts are not discourse-related). Ask box is open, but beware the moose! There is no DNI but we block freely and do not condone bigotry or harassment.
Tips for alterhuman tumblr, and tumblr in general
Before you angrily reply to something, stop, breathe, and think:
- Is this in any way inherently hostile
- Does this personally insult me, if so, how
- Is this person being malicious, and in what way
If you answer no or "unsure" to these questions, chances are there is currently no hostility between you and OP and you should dial it down several notches
casual reminder that this post was made in response to an alterhuman gifmaking blog politely explaining that op was in the wrong for harrassing it about "posting gore" on a post "that should be deleted" of an animal with prey that was at most slightly bloodied. also casual reminder that you cant see it defending itself because op blocked them so their followers cant see its response.
I'm not sure what this is about tbh, since we've never asked anyone to straight up delete a post? Just to tag properly so people can more properly curate their own feeds (and the post *was* tagged so we double-y don't see the issue). This is a strictly anti-harassment blog, which is what this post is for and is hoping to encourage more of in the community. We need more "instead of immediately assuming someone is attacking you, stop for several moments and assess are they actually".
Tips for alterhuman tumblr, and tumblr in general
Before you angrily reply to something, stop, breathe, and think:
- Is this in any way inherently hostile
- Does this personally insult me, if so, how
- Is this person being malicious, and in what way
If you answer no or "unsure" to these questions, chances are there is currently no hostility between you and OP and you should dial it down several notches
What origin is your system? /genQ
Nothing against you anon, in general we just don't feel comfortable disclosing personal info with strangers (it is anoneyemoose after all) if it pertains to specifics on:
- Neurodivergence
- Spirituality or metaphysical beliefs
- Disabilities
We're simply a system.
Ok full on, i know some may disagree
If youre therian/otherkin/ect, like me, YOU MUST aknowledge youre in this body and life actually a human, youre reading stuff, typing stuff, comprehending english to the fullest extenct, have human skin and eyes and all that- you are right now HUMAN! You can allow yourself to sink into the identidy for a while, like how I agw regress to a baby to the point of being able to so nothing but lay in my bed and make sounds- but overall most of the time you cant ignore you arent your identidy in this life, you identify as it and remember it but you ARENT it!
(Reality checkin warning)
If you dont aknowledge that, you are expiriencing delusions, and that's ok! But that doesn't brush aside the fact that all delusions aside, you ARE in this current life human!
-reminder im therian+otherkin+fictionkin(and probably more), im OK with you being them too, but if you truly were a wolf on every single level in this current life, you'd be in the forest with your pack living your best wolf life, NOT reading this post
Ok but legitimately, what do you think being otherkin means, in the plainest words possible. How in the world can you tag this "pro otherkin" when it fundamentally misunderstands what otherkin are on a base level.
And I see you yourself consider yourself otherkin, unless I'm misunderstanding. The ableism and repackaged transphobia on this post aside, some otherkin do identify as physically nonhuman even if not all of them do. And even so, otherkin who identify as "X" are "X", that's what "identify as" means. If someone identifies as, idk, a squirrel, they are a squirrel. If the answer is "well I'm not a squirrel" then, genuinely, I don't think otherkin is the term to use. If you just heavily associate with squirrels on a deep level than look into otherhearted or smth.
I am concerned for the alterhumans who genuinely believe that they are animals
In the nicest way possible, I'm wondering what you think alterhuman means, because nonhumans are explicitly included in the umbrella.
We assume you mean those that "physically identify" as nonhuman. Nonhuman system members, endels, lycanthropes/zoanthropes, or honestly even those that physically identify as nonhuman for any other reason are allowed under alterhuman, it feels strange to suddenly try and push them all out of the label. Especially since this has the implication that the plenty of nonhuman system members in the alterhuman community must actually human, which I'm sure a lot would say no to; including those in our system. It implies to endels and lycanthropes/zoanthropes "no you're human, stop it, get some help", which is wildly dismissive and extremely presumptuous (dare we say bordering on ableism) of those that experience delusions, have those type disorders, etc. That they must be healed and "become human", because it's "bad and wrong". That is not at all what the take should be.
This is a clearer version of the previous post:
I don't know who in the community needs to hear this, but don't refer to humans as apes! (No, "monkeys" is not ok either!)
"Humans are taxonomically great apes, so technically--"
This post is not about human taxonomy
"I don't mean it in a racist way!"
Ok but I need you to understand that it still very much is though. Don't say that shit. It happens in this community way too often.
So why is this being brought up? Because it is very, frustratingly common for those who identify as nonhuman to refer to humans as "apes" or "monkeys" in a derogatory manner. For some people, they consider themselves distanced enough from humanity that this suddenly becomes an ok thing to say, and it is not. Even in a non-derogatory sense, that does not erase that it's still, well, quite racist.
"What should I use instead then?"
Human. That's all. You don't need special vocabulary to replace "apes" and "monkeys" with when talking about humans. Just say human.
And "that's racist" is a scary phrase for a lot of people and tends to send them into defense mode, rejecting the possibility of ever saying anything racially insensitive. "It's not racist because I'm not trying to be racist" is not how racism works. You have to catch yourself. Because while we hate to say it, the alterhuman community can be quite racist (and appropriative, but that's a different discussion), and the reason people of color tend to be so uncomfortable in the community and avoid interaction is because whenever we speak up about these issues there is a sudden pushback.
If you are lucky enough to not have seen it then that is fantastic, but it can mean one of two things:
You were lucky
You just weren't able to recognize them
Neither of these things immediately makes you a bad person, but what you need to do in any case is listen and understand that this is a very real thing that many have to deal with regularly.
I don't know who in the community needs to hear this, but don't refer to humans as apes! (No, "monkeys" is not ok either!)
"I don't mean it in a racist way!"
Ok but I need you to understand that it still very much is though. Don't say that shit. It happens in this community way too often.
It's literally just scientifically true.
Humans are primates. Humans are great apes. This is just physical reality. Doesn't matter what color someone's skin is or what phenotype they have, a human is a great ape.
"The Hominidae, whose members are known as the great apes or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo (the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan); Gorilla (the eastern and western gorilla); Pan (the chimpanzee and the bonobo); and Homo, of which only modern humans (Homo sapiens) remain.
A number of very similar words apply to related classifications:
A hominoid, sometimes called an ape, is a member of the superfamily Hominoidea: extant members are the gibbons (lesser apes, family Hylobatidae) and the hominids.
A hominid is a member of the family Hominidae, the great apes: orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans.
A hominine is a member of the subfamily Homininae: gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans (excludes orangutans).
A hominin is a member of the tribe Hominini: chimpanzees and humans.[12]
A homininan, following a suggestion by Wood and Richmond (2000), would be a member of the subtribe Hominina of the tribe Hominini: that is, modern humans and their closest relatives, including Australopithecina, but excluding chimpanzees.[13][14]
A human is a member of the genus Homo, of which Homo sapiens is the only extant species, and within that Homo sapiens sapiens is the only surviving subspecies."
I mean, I get what you're trying to say, but again, context matters. I appreciate the human animal, and that's exactly what humans are. Animals! Apes! There's nothing derogatory about that. Racism is the problem, science is not.
With all due respect, if you knew what the point of the post was then I genuinely have to ask why even respond to the post with a completely different angle. I don't want anyone bouncing off of this addition as if it was ever the point of the post.
The point of the post is that there is a huge issue in the alterhuman and nonhuman community with referring to humans as monkeys or apes in casual conversation. I cannot stress enough how derogatory that is. We're not talking about human taxonomy here, talking to someone and straight up calling them an ape is not it. There's multiple reasons people of color are often uncomfortable in the community, and this is one of them
I don't know who in the community needs to hear this, but don't refer to humans as apes! (No, "monkeys" is not ok either!)
"I don't mean it in a racist way!"
Ok but I need you to understand that it still very much is though. Don't say that shit. It happens in this community way too often.
Edit: no, I do not mean this taxonomically. That is not the point of this post.
RE: Anti-nonhuman legislation
Yes, it is rooted in (trans/queer)phobia. No, that does not mean it and future legislation cannot have very real splash damage on nonhuman-identifying people.
Nonhuman identity has been used as a scapegoat against trans people for a very long time, that's why in certain corners of the trans community it is seen as inherently transphobic to identify as nonhuman (as inaccurate as that is). Nonhuman identity is seen as a hypothetical next step, a "if people identify as transgender then what's next, animals?". Currently legislation does not know we currently exist, but that will change. Nonhuman identity has been creeping into the public eye this past decade and it will only balloon further in the coming decade.
Opposing the bill for transphobia and nonhuman identity are not mutually exclusive, this isn't lost on the nonhuman community, a lot of nonhuman individuals are transgender. We understand this. Becoming anxious that this wording explicitly exists in a bill does not automatically mean the transphobia is being ignored.
But we cannot act like anti-nonhuman legislation isn't a very real threat for the future, because it is and needs to be nipped in the bud. That part of the bill cannot simply be ignored because "well they're not actually serious", because it will be serious one day. And it's going to bite real hard when it wasn't reacted to seriously.
Alterhuman vs Nonhuman and Therian vs Otherkin
[PT: Alterhuman vs Nonhuman and Therian vs Otherkin]
Have been getting some asks dealing with what counts as what and etcetera, so thought I'd make a post to explain it!
So first...
Alterhuman and how its different from nonhuman.
[PT: Alterhuman and how its different from nonhuman)
Alterhuman refers to, in some way, having an identity that is not human. Meanwhile, nonhuman refers to people who do not have a human identity. Someone can identify as catkin, but still identify with being human. Alterhuman is also a term that basically covers the whole community of otherkin, otherhearted*, and much much more! Nonhuman is one form of alterhuman.
*Otherhearted means strongly connected or identifying with something in a way that impacts your core sense of self, however one does not identify as [as] it.
Otherkin and Therian
[PT: Otherkin and Therian]
Otherkin refers to all things relating to kin. This includes therians, though not all therians may be otherkin. While otherkin deals with all things kin, therian deals with all things animal. So someone who is cat-hearted can still be therian while not being otherkin.
There are cases where identities that are not therian can be counted as therian. Kintypes and such like robots or fictional characters are not inherently therian. However, lets say someone is an otherkin/hearted of a robot that was made in the form of animal. This then could count as a robot theriotype!
Alterhumans don't have to identify as not human in any way, alterhumanity is defined as: "A category of personal identity which encompasses identification that is alternative to the common societal idea of humanity". Essentially including both "alternative to human" and "alternative human experience". Nonhumanity isn't necessarily exclusive to no human identity at all, as someone can identify as human and nonhuman at the same time. Just like someone can be catkin and not identify as a human at all. Otherkin also doesn't include therians, they're two separate communities with some overlap (that overlap being that animalkin and therians are essentially the same, but the communities themselves evolved separately and have their own histories). Having an animal hearttype is also independent of therianthropy, so to use the same example, someone can be cat-hearted and otherkin, or cat-hearted and nothing else, it's not inherently therian in any way. Hope this clears some things up! Because these are all very common misconceptions.
I genuinely worry about a lot of the new and young otherkin/Alterhuman/Therians I see making intros on here...
For those of you who are introducing yourself to the community, I am so glad you're here!
But! There are some things you should NEVER disclose on the internet regardless of how safe you feel, and i think we need to have a talk, especially with all of the younger people coming into the community.
NEVER disclose your real name on the internet, especially on social media. Yes, it can make it easier to get acquainted with new friends, but it also makes it easy for bad people and creeps to look you up! Go with an alias or nickname (not your real nickname) you like, it's fun, simple and easy!
If you are a minor, I highly discourage disclosing your age. ESPECIALLY the actual number. Things like "minor" or "I am a minor" or "Age: minor" are marginally safer. HOWEVER, lots of times, even this can make you a target for creeps and groomers, and it WILL affect how people treat you on the internet, and usually not in a way you'd like. It may be good for finding people your age, but I believe the benefits do not outweigh the risks. Plus, birthdays are often used for security purposes and can give very important information to creeps and make you EVEN easier to look up just with google.
DO NOT disclose where you live beyond a very general region. I'm talking about your hemisphere or country only.
TLDR; make sure you're not making yourself an easy target for creeps to find you on the internet, any information you give can be used to find you and your physical location. Please stay safe! Protecting the community is what we all do best, but a whole lot of younger people did not grow up with the same guidelines as those of us born in the 90's and 00's.
And if you see someone on Tumblr with these things in their intro or bio, maybe we can talk about alternatives. Of course moderated discord servers can be a whole lot safer, and the general rules may change.
Certainly it is a bit depressing how so many otherkin accidentally fall into ecofascism and such because of hating humanity. loathing humans won’t do anything, humans are also an animal species, but also with a unique capacity of altruism and caretaking. A cat does not care that a bird species can go extinct, but humans do, and there is truly something beautiful in humanity. It also alienates us otherkin where our kintypes are actually very close to humanity—drakons are protectors of human houses, pantries, and givers of health. My kintype is bound by humanity yet there is barely any representation for otherkin such as myself.
Do you believe otherhearted/animal hearted are a part of alterhuman community?
Yes
No
I am most likely otherhearted, however unsure I may be. I am not sure if I exactly belong here...
Edit: :(
Regardless of the results of the poll, you have a spot in the alterhuman community, as otherheartedness is included in the official definition. Anyone claiming that it's not is, frankly, wrong.
Nonhuman blogs are, at the end of the day, free to curate their posts and post about things they find personally interesting or that make them happy.
The reason we're saying this is that in recent months we've seen an uptick in posts that seem annoyed at people that do this. A blog simply choosing not to cover darker, grittier, or shocking aspects of their identity doesn't automatically mean they believe it is nothing but sunshine and rainbows. There are also nonhumans that just don't experience "shocking" stuff, there's nothing wrong with that either.
For those that want more content on the darker aspects of nonhumanity, it feels much more productive to encourage others to feel comfortable posting that kind of content if they wish to. No one is in any way obligated to not post things they find fun, or make them happy, or that they find comforting. Maybe it's soft, maybe it's cutesy, maybe it's all of things they find exciting about their nonhuman identity without an ounce of grit. That is perfectly fine. They run their blog and you run your blog.
Even if not intentional, it does come across as dismissive to claim that the nonhuman community has "devolved" into positivity or blogs posting about things they enjoy, it hasn't. Make the posts you want to make, but most importantly tag it properly. Use Tumblr's built-in community labels feature and mark your post contains adult content. If you post gore, tag it as gore. There are ways to make your posts easier to find for those seeking solidarity and easy to hide for those that might be squicked or triggered by certain content.
our system was talking about the genderqueer flag and just comparing them side by side to the nonhuman unity flag because they look to similar to us
then we decided to the suffragette flag for curiosity and realized they're almost the exact same colors just reversed
The nonhuman unity flag's colors and order of the colors are based on the voidpunk flag according to the creator iirc:
Unfortunate that a terf flag uses green and purple, but the genderqueer flag (which is arguably closer than the nonhuman unity one because the colors are in the same order) also uses green and purple, it comes down to coincidence.
The voidpunk flag is a terf flag?/gq
No, the colors are just a coincidence
• What's "alterhuman"?
◯⃤Alterhuman is an umbrella term including any identity that derives from the standard human experience. Yes! this include human identities!
◯⃤Not all alterhuman people identify as non human, some alterhuman people are human.
◯⃤The alterhuman symbol is ⎇
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☾⋆⁺₊✧ " Alterhuman is a term that refers to someone who does not fit the traditional standard of what is considered human, and/or does not identify as human. " ☾⋆⁺₊✧
[by lgbtqia.wiki, 28/12/23, sourced from alt-h.net]
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Identities under the alterhuman umbrella are :
• Otherkin
┕ Therian ┕ Phytanthrope ┕ Fictionkin
• Otherhearted
• Otherlink
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posted the 28/12/23
Almost a great post! But there are some issues which can be solved by referring to the original coining post for alterhuman.
There's far more than 3 identities under the alterhuman umbrella, and therians and phytanthropes are not subgroups of otherkin.
Oh thank you! Yeah we weren't really aware of the history of those identities and their coining. Thanks for sharing that link with us, we'll include it in the post!/gen pos/ Will putting all those identities separately fix the issue? In our understanding, fictionkin was an identity under the otherkin category, should it be separate as well or included in our next post about the identities under the otherkin umbrella?/gq/
Also, we've done some research but we haven't found more main terms aside from otherkin, otherhearted, and otherlink (with identities like fictionkin, fictionhearted, and fictionlink being under their respective categories), if you have some in mind feel free to share them with us so that we can update the post again!/gen nf/
Glad to help! Listing therians and phytanthropes separately would fix that section, since iirc fictionkinity is a subset of otherkinity (on an individual level this varies, as does everything, but historically it's a subgroup of otherkin). The best resource we have on-hand is the AltArchive Zotero library, which includes a myriad of resources from a wide range of identities that can all count as alterhuman. We will say though is that listing the "main" identities isn't really possible since the definition is so broad. Using a quote from the coining post:
AHPI identities may include, as per personal discretion: -Therian, phytanthrope, otherkin, and fictionkin identities -Multiple, plural, median, and walk-in identities -Spiritual self-identities which may still include degrees of humanity such as angelics, celestials, starseeds, god shards, reincarnated gods, vampires, etc -Identities involving shared self-identification with nonhuman or other alternative human entities/concepts such as animal-hearted, godspouse, soulbond, and spiritual medium identities -Identities of alternative humanity through disassociation, trauma response, or non-neurotypical mental status
Which is, well, a lot of things and realistically impossible to list. A better way to word that section would be "A few examples of alterhuman identities include, but aren't limited to: [the ones you listed]", or better yet use a direct quote of the official listing with a citation. The latter would be a far more accurate depiction of what alterhumanity is.
