Alow me to become #1 v!Cleo defender for a minute because some of yall love treating them like the worst villian in the SMP and 3/4s of your evidence is wrong.
Firstly, people LOVE to call Cleo a hypocrite for calling out Apo for only looking out for themselves. What people seem to forget is that while yes cleo is on "her own side" said side isn't just cleo. It's also Pearl, Legs, Martyn, Shelby and Drift. Cleos side are the people they trust and think they can save since they think saving everyone is impossible, whereas Apo openly admits she'd kill everyone if it meant escaping. So yes, Cleo calling apo out on this is fair and not hypocritical. I'm not sure how you could watch cleo standing up for Shelby assist Avid, Drift against Scott, Sausage against Apo, Pearl against everyone, AND formulating the plan to save basically everyone, and claim they were only ever looking out for themselves.
Then there's the whole lying thing, people love to say Cleo is a liar or manipulator which is funny because this is the one smp where they aren't doing that 24/7. No, siding with both teams isn't a lie (they aren't even siding with both teams their spying on the vampires and looking out for Drift and Shleby) because they are fully open with Legundo and Pearl about what they are doing with the Vampires. They tell them that their telling the vampires stuff she thinks they already know, they tell them that they sold out Apo, they tell them everything. The only side they don't communicate their intentions is the vampires, who are never told that she's feeding info back to the humans, Owen needed to intuit that himself. The only two lies that Cleo tells (that they know for certainty are lies) are lying to Scott about not knowing where the holy water is to protect the humans, and lying to the town about Pearls claws, which can either be read as 1. She thinks Pearl is lying and is backing her up, or 2. She knows Pearl forgot and is lying to protect her as the town at that point would 100% kick her out if they knew she has claws. (Ig they also lie about their backstory, but literally everyone did that so that's null and void). Cleo tells the truth openly as far as their aware for the entire smp, only lying to protect people..
Which brings me into my next point, the idea that Pearl and Cleos relationship is toxic. (Not necessarily in a MoonRot sense but the fact MCYT can't ship Yuri that isn't toxic absolutely plays a role in how their dynamic is read) Everyone gets so hung up on Cleo wanting Pearl turned as if it isn't made 1000000% clear they want it done to protect Pearl. They have no hope for people escaping as anything but Vampires so they want to ensure Pearl CAN escape. They know Pearl doesn't want to be a vampire, but it's the only way Cleo sees her escaping Oakhurst alive. They don't even try to turn her forcefully, both times in episode 7 they try to convince Pearl to turn, and when she says no both times they back off. They don't take Scott's advice in episode 8 to try turning her forcefully either, they don't want to take that control away from her. Another thing everyone gets hung up about is the infamous "Pearl is my puppy" line, but everyone seems to forget the contect to this line, namely that it was BEING SAID TO OWEN. Here, Cleo is trying to convince the one Vampire who has clocked their on the humans side that they should be alowed to protect Pearl by using language they know Vanpires use themselves. This isn't a secret hint that Cleo doesn't care about Pearl or doesn't seem them as a person, it's an attempt to convince the one person onto their scheme to back off, and it worked. You fell for the characters facade just as much as Owen did. Well done gumshooes. Oh also less prevalent, but some people insist Cleo doesn't see Pearl as capable, listen to that Drift/Cleo/Pearl chat in episode seven and you'll see that no she does think Pearl is capable, so I'm not sure wtf their on about.
Then there's the idea that they support Scott actions, no. They respect he doesn't try to downplay how evil he is (that's actually him manipulating her into thinking he's more open than he is, but that's not cleos fault) but apart from that they constantly criticise his actions towards the fledglings, openly tells Drift not to respect his authority, challenges his viewpoint that humans are incapable of beating him, ect ect ect. How do any of you think she's on Scott's side? Because she's siding with SOME of the vampires? Really?
Final point, No Cleo doesn't want to kill anyone. They warn Scott that Avid is a liability, and tells drift she COULD kill him if need be, but they never attempt to kill him themselves. The one time they openly call for his death to the humans she immediately walk back their statement and say they only said it because they hate liars that much. (this is also why I don't consider her laughting at Avids death a big deal, they're already having a mental breakdown and this is the first time death is a real concern in the smp, hell maybe they even feel responsible since they were constantly saying Avid was a liability. But apart from that one screen on the bridge they never mock Avid again, openly shut Sausage up when he tries, and comforts Shelby and Drift when Pyro starts to threaten them.) And they never attack Apo even when Apo was actively trying to kill them. They don't want anyone to die. That is stated openly. How could you possibly miss this?
And I saying v!Cleo is perfect? NO! They don't listen to Apo when they try to explain themselves, never tell anyone but Legundo their full plans, assume the worst from everyone including the people they trust, and lay it on super thick for the humans about how they're antagonising the vampires while never calling the Coven out in the same manner (this was more a fair stance to have when Avid was a human, but after that the humans were definitely the victims of the covens aggression).
But Cleo is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY closer to the white side of morally grey than the black side. And is FAR from the "villian of the smp"
Is Cleo perfect? No, but guess what? This is Vampires SMP! All these folks are bad people in some way or another so calling Cleo out specifically and making her far worst than she is is super weird.
Seriously, all these people suck.
Shelby immediately goes "all the humans hate me and I have to kill them if I want to survive" even before Avid burns her house, and even afterwards she still has humans who woukd trust her that she never seeks out.
Drift immediately sides with the coven with no push back from the humans.
Abolish kills shelby with very weak reasoning even though she hadn't hurt anyone at that point and was fully prepared to kill everyone to escape.
Martyns recklessness gets several people turned and himself killed, and alienates Cleo and Apo from the town, AND he never calls out Ren for being a bigot towards vampires.
Sausage tried to fuck everything up for the sake of a better story.
Ren was all "every Vampire is fully evil and we must kill them all" but God fprvid someone suggest killing sausage
Legundo was about to go on a massacre if Pearl hadn't called him out on his bullshit, made a plan to turn that likely would have gotten Cleo killed by the town, AND equates being in the army to being actually Mind controlled for 80 years.
Apo went full Odysseus.
And I would hope I don't have to explain why Scott, Owen, Pyro and Avid are villians.
(And AGAIN the outlier is always Pearl. Seriously did she do anything bad this smp internally? New challenge dear reader: fond something bad Pearl did that I can't counter. I genuinely don't think it's possibly, girl was the only one with a fully functional moral compass)
TLDR most of what people say Cleo did isn't true or is wildly exaggerated to make her look more evil than she is. Cleo is not a villian, and certainly didn't "deserve to die" as I saw people unironically claim. Thanks for listening to yet another of my unhinged ramblings about the block people.
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Okay so I haven't been very active for like the past I think 2 months (more or less) but I keep seeing people talk about fundy in content smp? Has he actually joined for season 2? Or what happened Because im so lost
It is confirmed that we are getting a season 2 but the Fundy thing was a live stream that Winsweep did and it takes place after his video 'Can anyone on this modded smp stop me'. Here's the link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nDZOqj08tC0#bottom-sheet
Okay so I haven't been very active for like the past I think 2 months (more or less) but I keep seeing people talk about fundy in content smp? Has he actually joined for season 2? Or what happened Because im so lost
Okay so I haven't been very active for like the past I think 2 months (more or less) but I keep seeing people talk about fundy in content smp? Has he actually joined for season 2? Or what happened Because im so lost
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Okay so I haven't been very active for like the past I think 2 months (more or less) but I keep seeing people talk about fundy in content smp? Has he actually joined for season 2? Or what happened Because im so lost
