can u explain why u dislike lucerys so much?
because atleast from my pov he was a 7year old child who thought his brother was going to die and retaliated against someone older and stronger than him with a weapon he didnāt even bring
also the bullying he was following his older brother and only companion as well as his much older uncle, an authority figure.
yes he should have apologised, but when should he have? when he was being treated by the maesters for his broken nose? when aemonds mother said to have his eye cut out? when he returned half a decade later and his uncleās hatred was already there AND his own dislike likely pushed by his family?
lucerys definitely shouldāve made amends but there are a lot of factors in it so i donāt rlly see the dislike? idk i just wanna have it explained, no hate just curious (:
Just going to preemptively say that I understand this isnāt hate, so anon, please know that if I have any sort of aggravated tone in this answer itās not against you. Iām just very passionate about this topic lol
Also this is a crazy long post. Sorry yāall.
āā¦he was a 7 year old child who thought his brother was going to die and retaliated against someone older and stronger than him with a weapon he didnāt even bringā
When it comes to the fight, Iām mad at all four children who ganged up on an innocent kid and started beating him mercilessly. People love to focus on the fact that Aemond might have done something with that rock, but they completely erase the context, which is that he was tackled to the ground and being punched by four people.
The real context is that Aemond was on defense in that fight. He didnāt seek anyone out. He didnāt start the argument. He didnāt throw the first blow. All Aemond did was fight back to protect himself and grabbed a makeshift weapon to ensure he doesnāt get beaten by four people at once. He was in survival mode and doing anything to keep himself protected.
When it comes down to Lucerys in that fight. He had no business running in and joining in the group beating of another child. It wasnāt his fight. I understand heās a child, but most kids understand that beating up someone is a bad thing to do. Even at 7. I knew not to punch people at 7, and I can guarantee most others did too. Age can excuse a lot of things but mercilessly beating someone who is on the ground being beaten by three others? I donāt think so.
But letās look at why Luc cuts his eye out. From your perspective itās to āsave his brotherās lifeā. But is that really the case? Letās really take a look. During the fight, Aemond pushes all four kids off him while he is being beaten on the ground. Once gaining the upper hand, he grabs Luc and holds a rock over his head, andā¦talks. He threatens to kill them and calls them bastards, but he doesnāt actually do anything. In fact, when Luc says his āfatherā is alive and Aemond realizes Luc doesnāt know heās a Strong, he lowers the rock. At that point Aemond is no longer a threat. His weapon is down, and heās speaking relatively calmly. Itās only after Aemond calls Jace āLord Strongā that the knife is drawn. The knife isnāt drawn for self-defense or to save Luc. Itās pulled for the fact that Aemond called the boys bastards.
From there Jace keeps attacking him with a knife. Aemond gets the better of him in the fight once again, and Jace is on the ground. Hereās where the āsaving his lifeā comes in. Aemond stands over Jace with the rock in his hand raised high andā¦.does nothing. Again. I counted, and Aemond stands there still for about 10 seconds doing absolutely nothing. He breathes deeply. He looks at Baela and Rhaena who look back in fear. But he does nothing. In those ten seconds Luc scrambles to grab the knife, exchanges a look with Jace, and then Jace throws sand in Aemondās eyes and Luc leaps at him and slashes his eye out.
Now, personally, watching that scene I really didnāt get the feeling Aemond would do anything. Every time he gets the upper hand and will supposedly kill one of the kids with a rock, he stops. He lingers. He doesnāt deliver the blow. By the time Luc gets the knife Aemond has been still and not hit Jace at all for quite a bit of time. He waits long enough for Luc to get the knife and for both boys to silently agree on a tactic to hurt him.
This also begs the question. If Jace had enough time and space to grab sand in his fist and throw it at Aemond to temporarily blind him and get away, why the fuck didnāt he do that before?! We see that Aemond yells and is disoriented by the sand in his eyes. Jace couldāve easily thrown it and kicked aemond and gotten away and they couldāve ended the fight by running away. But instead he waited until his brother had a knife and they could stab him. These boys werenāt doing this in self-defense. It was a coordinated attack with the intention to stab Aemond with a knife. They wanted to stab him. We saw that with Jace pulling it out first.
That whole fight is not Jace and Luc fighting to survive. Itās Aemond fighting to survive. Itās not Luc jumping to save his brother. Itās Jace wanting to stab someone for calling him a bastard (he is), and both boys working together to hurt him. I genuinely believe that the long pauses Aemond took are proof enough that he had no intention of hurting actually killing them. I think it was more of an act of intimidation to show they should leave him alone. So I hold all four kids responsible for what happened to Aemond, but most especially Jace and Luc because while the girls stopped beating Aemond and left after he pushed them off. Jace and Luc kept going because they got angry at the title they were rightfully called, and teamed up to deal a blow that resulted in permanent damage and blinding one eye.
āalso the bullying he was following his older brother and only companion as well as his much older uncle, an authority figureā
As I said earlier. I understand seven year olds are dumb as heck, and they donāt always know what is an is not ok. However. Just as I would think most seven year olds know beating someone is bad, most seven year olds know bullying is bad. Hurting peopleās feelings isnāt ok. At seven, I knew bullying wasnāt ok. All the boys knew what they were doing was insulting and mean. Thatās why they did it. They wanted to be hurtful to Aemond. Yes, Luc was following Aegon and Jace, but that doesnāt absolve the fact that he fully knew what they were doing was mean and found it funny like the others.
yes he should have apologised, but when should he have? when he was being treated by the maesters for his broken nose? when aemonds mother said to have his eye cut out? when he returned half a decade later and his uncleās hatred was already there AND his own dislike likely pushed by his family?
We can agree he should have apologized, anon. But you seem to be under the impression of how Luc simply couldnāt apologize because of everyone else or the circumstances. You seem to be incorrectly putting the blame on Alicent and Aemond for why he didnāt apologize. Even thought Aemond is the victim.
But letās see, when should Luc have apologized? āWhen he was being treated by the maesters for his broken noseā? Sure! Aemond had to answer interrogations by his father and calmed his mother down while having his eye socket sewed shut. Iām sure Luc couldāve apologized then. A broken nose is not nearly as awful and having an eye gouged out, and he seemed pretty ok at that point so yeah. He couldāve spoken up and said he was sorry.
āWhen Aemondās mother said to have his eye cut outā? Iām sorry but this reeks of Alicent anti. There was plenty of time before and after Alicent had a literal mental breakdown for Luc to apologize. Why even blame or bring up Alicent? She has nothing to do with this. Lucās responsibility to apologize is not dependent on anyone else. Least of all the woman in the room who is the only person who cares that Aemond is hurt.
āwhen he returned half a decade later and his uncleās hatred was already there AND his own dislike likely pushed by his familyā? Absolutely. I assume youāre talking about the dinner scene, and yes, Luc absolutely could have and should have apologized. Yes, Aemondās anger was pretty much set because it had been a decade of no apology for literally being maimed. But a late apology is better than no apology. During that dinner, Alicent and Rhaenyra, two people who had two decades worth of resentment between them, were heartfelt and kind to one another. Luc couldāve easily toasted to Aemond. He couldāve lifted his glass and said āTo my uncle. Long ago I did horrible things to him, and Iāve carried the burden of resentment and guilt all these years. I am truly sorry for the pain Iāve caused, and I hope that my heartfelt apology can be a new beginning for usā or something else sappy like that. Team black may or may not have solidified resentment in Luc against Aemond (about what I wouldnāt know because Aemond didnāt actually do anything wrong). But that doesnāt take away from the fact he shouldāve apologized.
You seem to be pushing the idea that because Luc grew resentment because of his family against Aemond, he couldnāt apologize. But he very much could. He just didnāt want to. Because he didnāt care. He didnāt think he was wrong and didnāt feel he had to apologize.
The simple truth of the matter is that Luc didnāt apologize because he doesnāt feel remorse. Itās not because he was too injured to apologize at first. Or because Alicent was mean for five minutes. Or because his family solidified resentment. He didnāt apologize because he isnāt sorry. And that is best exemplified by the dinner scene. Like I said earlier he couldāve apologized. But instead, what did Luc do? He saw a pig and began to laugh at the cruel prank and bullying he did against Aemond. He still relished in the mean things he did as a child. Thereās no remorse there, only smugness and sick enjoyment in his past cruelties. That is why I hate Lucerys so much. The burden of responsibility to apologize was on Luc, and there is no excuse for him not apologizing. He just wasnāt sorry, and thatās not on anyone but Luc for beingā¦just not a good person.
TLDR: Luc has had a long pattern of being cruel and mean and never felt an ounce of guilt. You are right that thereās many factors, anon. But they donāt take away from the basic facts. Luc intentionally hurt Aemondās feelings and found joy in it, Luc intentionally maimed Aemond with Jace (instead of opting for a less violent conclusion), and Luc never apologized and never felt remorse for his cruelty instead opting to continue to take pleasure in his negative acts.
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