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The weird concept of people assuming that people who voice their frustrations online are immediately children or minors is actually kind of funny. Like no babygirl, adults with big jobs can also get frustrated or mad and be in online spaces. Just because you suddenly become an adult doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to be online or have a voice anymore.
decided to make my own attempt a post addressing my personal issues with berrytree and such. not like i really care if people wanna argue.
the you/your boundary
i have opinions on this. particularly as someone who has had this conversation with multiple individuals of varying backgrounds to see if i could have this made understandable to me. inherently this boundary is alienating to a large portion of folks.
if someone already struggles with english they may not be able to easily subtract you/your from their vocabulary. whether this be from english being a second language or from a language learning disorder. (i am somewhat part of both these communities.) the amount of typos that i make in almost every post is embarrassing as an adult. so making me relearn an entire way of speech is a huge task, one i have chose not to put myself through the stress of. this has indeed caused me to block many individuals in the support and inspo server. there are some mods that aren't blocked if they must reach me, but overall i have taken the move for my own mental health.
2. the racism announcement & it's handling
as seen in my previous post/technically reblog. the original response was honestly, not at all addressing the issue. the document was eh better. but i still don't think it felt much like an apology. the entire thing came off more as an explanation and somewhat addressing things unrelated to the problem.
though i don't enjoy making this public information, it feels important to have my stance clear. i am a mixed system. i have been mistaken for other cultures and races and even in the technical umbrella of my group i am seen as a dirtier version. i refuse to specify what groups i am mixed with due to not wishing racism when my family had to shed their actual name just to avoid it.
i avoided the social areas of the server personally, because from past experiences servers either over moderate or under moderate racism. and i can vouch, social situations were the ones i saw moderated almost 99% of the time. i agree nobody should be forced to share their ethnicity or race, it does lead to systems of color getting shut down. i have seen it. but i have also seen systems of color shut each other down. which is why i am not shocked a staff member came out anonymously as being a BIPOC member of the team.
however, i do not think that should have been brought up in the response document. i think if the team was planning to make a response to any assumptions or allegations perhaps the team being perceived as possibly being all white should have been placed in that document as well. but that is my opinion as someone who has had to deal with situations like this in the past.
3. the second "response"
once again it can be seen in the last post i spoke about it. i think noah's behavior has been highly unprofessional. this is coming from someone in the same age range as him. that announcement should have been posted when emotions were not as high.
first and formost. the beginning. reading through every post about your announcement is not healthy. at least not for a single individual. i personally think the team should have stuck to listening to the people willing to go to them about it.
tiktok and twitter are inherently unhealthy communities, i speak from being on both for quite a while. obviously nobody should be harassed, threatened, or doxxed. those are horrible things that i personally have also experienced, even if unsuccessfully. but those two platforms are especially known for being horrid and i think they should be avoided if possible in the future.
as stated in my last section. they claim to apologize multiple times, but many of those apologies were either followed or surrounded by walls of text making them seem minor in regards to an explanation of why it happened. i wouldn't be shocked if the apologies were easy to miss. the doc did not feel very accessible as a person with difficulty reading and who does not have access to a screen reader.
in the end you are running a support server and i personally agree with the sentiment that the team would benefit from removing it. there are plenty of other servers for system, but a support server should be focused on that. support.
i do not want the team or anyone to take this as me tearing into the team or noah. but i want to address that i do think the team has mishandled the situation and should have taken more time to think before posting some of the things they posted.
4. a reblog i noticed on the berrytree tumblr
this reblog has rubbed me extremely badly. i do not think the main account should be reblogging such a thing. if the team has faced harassment from people clearly following the announcement, why was it not taken into consideration that perhaps this user could be harassed for reblogging another individual's reblog from a blog where they have acknowleged that it was there place to speak about their grievances.
if you want to do it on a personal blog, i do not care. but on the official tumblr blog for your application? it makes it feel like the team does not care about other people's safety. this is the most recent and personally concerning action i think the team has made.
this behavior especially feels like having a personal gripe with a specific user and i personally hope the berrytree staff do take time to think about this all moving forward.
feel free to disagree with me in the replies (i may not be able to respond to some people as this is a side blog and i have blocked many folks on my main, so i apologize if that ends up being the case.) my ending statement is simply that i do hope the team grows from this and takes the time to think over this all properly.
“It’s immature to handle harassment properly by deleting comments / blocking people.”
“It’s immature to respond to harassment and you should just ignore it.”
Bro which is it.
I think the concept of someone denying alternative suggestions for accessibility needs to be understood better because like. Yeah, I did deny the alternatives suggested to me, because they don't work for me for one reason or the other. Can we stop assuming that people haven't tried all alternative methods or seriously considered alternatives presented to them and still denied them because they don’t work?
This is really just an aside and my OWN OPINION / PERCEPTION, but… I feel that Noah is pulling a “I’m not racist because I have POC on my staff team”. It’s been bugging me a lot. I do NOT expect change from someone within a few days, however something rubbed me the wrong way with the public meltdown more recent announcement that gave me the distinct impression of that.
To BerryTree staffs credit, I do think it’s invasive and ridiculous to ask every single person their race or ethnicity. You just have to assume things in good faith when there’s that many people in a server, and handle situations that come up appropriately. Are people going to take advantage of that? Oh certainly, but that’s not really a reflection on the staff, it’s a reflection on those individuals.
Half the shit that was happening in the social channels shouldn’t have been going on anyway. If you want spaces that require you to disclose your ethnicity and race, or spaces that have you constantly checking people’s boundaries for nonessential things like usage of the basic fucking English language (the ‘no you/r’ thing makes zero grammatical sense and don’t dogpile or hate people who are going to slip up because not using you/r isn’t how the fucking English language works?), then find a server that caters to that. Don’t do it in a fucking BOT/APP SUPPORT SERVER.
This Berrytree shit is ridiculous as a person of color who is one of the people to message the BT team before the first announcement. Can we please think before we post? When I contacted the BT team it was because I was upset with the behavior of people in the social server who were perpetuating anti-blackness, digital blackface, racism, "alter accents", alter race/trans racial, orientalism, AAVE, and more.
I can't say I've been completely happy with the announcements but if something upsets me I just bring it up with the team directly. People of color should be able to express their negative emotions and people should also think more critically before posting. This is an issue that is so complex.
But what makes me the most upset is that when I reached out to the team they were so receptive and wanted to take time to think carefully about everything and how to word things. Everyone wants to have a say in how to BT team handled things which is fine, nothing wrong with that, but how come none of you noticed the racism happening in the first place? How come no one spoke up sooner? How come it is only the team's fault, but not for the white people in the server to speak up on for the people of color who were uncomfortable in the first place? You guys are more upset about the team than the racists themselves. and that is fucking infuriating. Because I can remember a lot of the names of the racists or people who made racist comments because the comments were etched into my chest as I grew increasingly more uncomfortable in the server. But can any of you? Do you know any of their names?
I don't think anyone should be harassed, threatened, or doxxed. That is unacceptable. Even when I brought this issue up to the team I said I didn't want anyone to be targeted. I have a lot of criticisms for how things have been handled, but I've never thought people should be threatened or doxxed over this.
And for the people of color who are excusing it, you're part of the problem. A few of the people parroting racist things were mixed white people of color who were reconnecting. Lying and spreading misinformation, and so much of the shit happening was anti-black stuff from wasian systems or orientalism from other systems of color! Hold the team accountable but hold each other accountable too for fucks sake.
Stop believing everything you read online. Ask for clarification. And check your own fucking bias, check the biases in your communities. Call that shit out when you see it. And btw "orientalism" isn't a bad word, pls learn the ways it is being used in different contexts. @/this-is-orientalism and @/this-is-sinophobia-orientalism are great resources on the use of the word "orientalism" as used to describe racism towards eastern/asian culture & demographics.
I asked the team to use the word "orientalism" because that is what it is. And as a mixed Chinese person I can see how "hate or racism towards Asian people" completely misses so much of the nuance of what was actually happening and the ways that the racism was showing up
I do agree that on its own orientalism isn’t necessarily a bad word to use per se (I am Chinese and part Japanese by the way) BUT that being said, the usage of that word lumped together with all of Noah’s other racist bullshit is NOT a good look.
Sorry for another reblog, I cannot respond to comments. Would you be able to message me elsewhere on here so it’s easier to have a conversation?
This Berrytree shit is ridiculous as a person of color who is one of the people to message the BT team before the first announcement. Can we please think before we post? When I contacted the BT team it was because I was upset with the behavior of people in the social server who were perpetuating anti-blackness, digital blackface, racism, "alter accents", alter race/trans racial, orientalism, AAVE, and more.
I can't say I've been completely happy with the announcements but if something upsets me I just bring it up with the team directly. People of color should be able to express their negative emotions and people should also think more critically before posting. This is an issue that is so complex.
But what makes me the most upset is that when I reached out to the team they were so receptive and wanted to take time to think carefully about everything and how to word things. Everyone wants to have a say in how to BT team handled things which is fine, nothing wrong with that, but how come none of you noticed the racism happening in the first place? How come no one spoke up sooner? How come it is only the team's fault, but not for the white people in the server to speak up on for the people of color who were uncomfortable in the first place? You guys are more upset about the team than the racists themselves. and that is fucking infuriating. Because I can remember a lot of the names of the racists or people who made racist comments because the comments were etched into my chest as I grew increasingly more uncomfortable in the server. But can any of you? Do you know any of their names?
I don't think anyone should be harassed, threatened, or doxxed. That is unacceptable. Even when I brought this issue up to the team I said I didn't want anyone to be targeted. I have a lot of criticisms for how things have been handled, but I've never thought people should be threatened or doxxed over this.
And for the people of color who are excusing it, you're part of the problem. A few of the people parroting racist things were mixed white people of color who were reconnecting. Lying and spreading misinformation, and so much of the shit happening was anti-black stuff from wasian systems or orientalism from other systems of color! Hold the team accountable but hold each other accountable too for fucks sake.
Stop believing everything you read online. Ask for clarification. And check your own fucking bias, check the biases in your communities. Call that shit out when you see it. And btw "orientalism" isn't a bad word, pls learn the ways it is being used in different contexts. @/this-is-orientalism and @/this-is-sinophobia-orientalism are great resources on the use of the word "orientalism" as used to describe racism towards eastern/asian culture & demographics.
I asked the team to use the word "orientalism" because that is what it is. And as a mixed Chinese person I can see how "hate or racism towards Asian people" completely misses so much of the nuance of what was actually happening and the ways that the racism was showing up
I do agree that on its own orientalism isn’t necessarily a bad word to use per se (I am Chinese and part Japanese by the way) BUT that being said, the usage of that word lumped together with all of Noah’s other racist bullshit is NOT a good look.
Noah lost me on the BerryTree announcement when he used “orientalism” as a term. Bro how do you expect us to believe you on the racism shit when you can’t even use the right terms. Literally just say you were racist towards Asian people instead. I know that some people don’t view it as a bad thing to say within certain contexts but like. “Let me talk about how we addressed the racism situation and are trying to do better, but I’m also going to use a historically negative and loaded term as a German White Guy”. Ok buddy.
I didn’t think this post needed a PSA but apparently it does. Everything here and in the comments that are my own messages are MY OWN opinions and experiences. It might not seem like a big deal or an issue to others, but they were to me.
The BerryTree announcement doc confuses me. What do you mean you’re afraid of disclosing the fact you’re BIPOC because you don’t want people sending you death threats. MIND YOU— I do get that fear, but as someone who’s been very open about being BIPOC in the system community for over 6+ years (I’m Chinese), I’ve never ran into people calling me slurs or sending me death threats over being Chinese or for using cultural names? I mean aside from White People trying to force me to use “English names” because “I can’t read Chinese so it’s inaccessible”, but that never actually devolved into them throwing insults, threats, or slurs.
So much of that document just comes off like a load of excuses and bullshit. “We hear you” “we see you” “we’re educating ourselves on matters”. Okay sure, you can say all that, but are you actually doing that? Because I haven’t seen jackshit. It’s always just excuses and coverups and backpedaling.
