On purity wank’s toxicity, rape culture, and sexuality
From this thread (reblogged after block by OP that erases visibility)
But when non-survivor writes about bucky being raped or tortured for their own sick pleasure then it becomes a problem. Fiction does actually affect reality and that includes your mind. You can’t think “it’s okay because I only find FICTIONAL rape hot” because that’s not how your mind works. Your mind simply does not work that way, no matter how much you claim to know that rape is bad.
Fandom is NOT some perfect place that is above criticism. If someone is fetishising rape that isn’t okay.
@nopebucky I really hope there’s some point in which you realize your whole belief system is based in irrational circular thinking.
“fetishizing” relies on the assumption that sexuality IS a moral statement, and then you have come to a conclusion that people try to shield what excites them with a veil of “fiction” to disclaim that they actually are doing something terrible instead (i.e. “fetishizing”). That is, not actually “containing” a moral failure in their subjectivity as “unreal” because (you assume again) it’s impossible to not sexualize something without it having a “real repercussion”. So when they express or share this sexuality via writing for a particular space made for that (read ao3′s or tumblr terms fgs), it’s indeed harmful… because it implies the idea this “repercussion”, the fact it exists, is not… harmful. And that harms victims, because again you extrapolate it triggers you; of course the victims that disagree with you wouldn’t deserve a voice, not if they don’t agree with what you have to say… I guess you are above criticism? Nah.
Who’s harmed? You’re harmed because you’re triggered by it existing because you think it existing is triggering because it’s harmful… so you get where I’m going? You can formally argue that Kinder Eggs are bad like that, and you may get a pat in tha back and that doesn’t make it any more valid. But I mean, you must realize it’s selective to sex. Do you also have the nerve to walk up in a theatrical play and, up in stage, scream how everybody ever enjoying depicting the death of a human, seeing viscera, even if it’s fictional, is fucking sick?
Sexuality is not volitive, and it’s not a moral statement. That’s what, well, conscience is for. And that’s great if you want to have circular beliefs, but look, reality:
Average age for reality/fantasy dissociation: 5 years old. If one can’t separate internal subjectivity from what belongs to reality, that’s actualy a symptom of psychosis (seen, say, in schizophrenia).
Things the mind does: echo, process, analyze, replay, subvert, hypothetize; things the mind IS NOT: an inescapable antechamber to behavior. Subjectivity is not essentially different when it’s sexual. Really, finding something hot doesn’t correlate to a lack of touch with reality. You see sexual criminals not when they’ve got an unspeakable paraphilia that corrupts their soul, but when other things in their mind fail (empathy, impulse control, etc). If someone commits sexual violence, the problem is the violence, not the fact that it’s sexual. That’s why a rape is wrong, a murder is wrong, but consensual sex is not. Easy right?
Ideas in culture that sexual thoughts are an irredeemable perversion that leads to evil (”vices”) because of “moral failure”: Christian sex-negative baggage. Sex-negative because it’s irrationally differential, as I said with gore. Morbid fascination at gore is compatible with a functional adult, even good for jobs like film director (idk Gillermo del Toro, Tim Burton), but if instead of watching a slasher film to have a strong experience it’s a sexual roleplay to have an orgasm… IT’S SICK.
Format in which these ideas are transmitted, ideologically: religion, obscurantism, sectarianism and other emotionally-exploitative and irrational formats that abandon critical thinking. They are geared at filling a need for identity and community based in othering and sanctimony. So, things these ideas won’t lead to: adequate, sensible policy. Don’t blame anybody for not taking the policing of a group of bullies to heart.
Real prevalence of rape fantasies in the normal population: high as fuck. According to some sexologists it’s about 25% of the average population; according to this study it’s 50% (of women). Here’s a scientific article on the subject because I don’t believe things when they make me feel an authority, but when I think they are true. Unsurprisingly, people who aren’t self-deprecating have less risk for mental illness.
Human sexuality: by large not understood in all its factors. Sexual trauma shapes sexuality; so do other thousands of things. The idea a kind of fantasy is an exclusive phenomenon of “mental trauma” is not merely unscientic and irrational, it’s self-deluding. I honestly don’t know why humans are quirky and weird, but I don’t know why we yawn either. You don’t know shit, but the difference is you can’t tell your ignorance the moment you fill those holes with what you want to believe. I want to honestly know. Maybe some people have higher thresholds for some brain receptor involving adrenaline and that makes them more likely to have violent fantasies. Admit your ignorance. It’s so fucking dishonest you pretend to tell people how their mind works.
Effects of sexual repression: here’s one we know! Psychologically damaging and socially destructive. Increases rates of suicide, depression and criminality. Countries that still treat sexuality as perversion in their social policies (like Islamic theocracies): higher rates of brutal crime, including rape (sorry lol what were you saying about rape culture again to reach and justify your sexnegativity). Somehow I’m not surprised you’re not an expert in penology and criminology either. Neither am I, btw. But again, I don’t pretend to rationalize.
Attitudinal and experiential correlates of sexual fantasies involving force or coercion against the fantasizer were studied in 137 college women. Results revealed that (i) virtually every woman reported engaging in sexual fantasy on a regular basis, (ii) more than half the subjects reported having engaged in a force fantasy, (iii) those reporting force fantasies scored as less sexually guilty and more erotophilic than those not reporting such fantasies. Those reporting force fantasies also had more sexual experience and engaged in more fantasizing of the nonforce type than the other subjects. A history of exposure to sexual force or coercion was unrelated to the report of force fantasies. Taken together, these findings are offered in support of the hypothesis that the occurrence of force fantasies, rather than resulting from an attempt to deal with sexual guilt, represents one of a number of ways in which some women demonstrate a relatively open, unrestricted, and varied approach to their sexuality.
You take advantage of a subject as non-trivial as rape culture, you call people sick who are innocent, you perpetuate a culture in which people with trauma are forcibly outed, antagonized, shamed and repressed. You promote they keep to themselves because you feel entitled to something real not existing when it bothers you. You victimize yourself out of habit in the instances you’re an aggressor, you indulge in a narcissism that tries to make others responsible for your mental health when you can’t even close a tab not to have the last word. And you’re so fucking entitled and arrogant you don’t take responsibility or have the awareness you may not have the perfect understanding of how other people work, think, feel and affect others. Even when you pull your claims out of your ass and shield your lack of justification with histrionics and a fictive claim disagreement to your discourse sides with evil.
Stop talking about rape culture and about dark fic, stop pretending you’re doing anything for survivors, becase you are not, and you’re not competent enough to correct what you’re doing wrong. You can’t even spot the garbage in the people who share similar ideas to you. To you rape culture is something to project what you don’t like on, and survivor an identity to plaster as a disclaimer your beliefs shouldn’t be scrutinized. It’s never been about people, so don’t be surprised when you’re not humored. Rape culture needs to be deconstructed through a normalization of sane sexuality in all it forms, so it can be told apart by functional adults from what is actually harmful. You’re mystifying fantasy, and any suggestion sexually liberated culture “perpetuates it” is not just ungrounded, it’s countered by evidence in any field - sociology, psychology, sexology. Your discourse is merely a stale echo of a culture that demonizes the sexual, that you parrot because it fits what you want to believe. And you’re free to be ignorant and dogmatic, but you’re not to impact culture in toxic ways and promote models, repression and idiotic guilt based on phantasms. People like this have always existed, puritans, anti-kink; the people that think BDSM is a disease… and it’s anachronistic, so it loses ground. If your community is hoping things like HTP “collapse”, that’s just another way you’re being collectively self-deluded.
I repeat, you have no evidence for your toxic beliefs, but you still present them as self-evident truth. You demand more respect than you give, so honest to god, fuck you, because you don’t get to call me sick and still pretend you have a high ground, either moral, social or ideological. You should get no special treatment even if you hold your beliefs dogmatically, so whenever they aren’t treated as such and you’re out of the echo chamber, that’s a good thing. Shame on you for perpetuating toxicity and treating others horribly. Your unhealth will never be a justification to attack others.
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