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Charlie thismotherfucker Talent Manx III: my joy,,,
Billy Crowe: shhhhh, you’ll upset the baby..
Charlie: *fucking sweats* we haven’t even done that ye-
Billy: me. IM baby.
I added to it,,,
Charlie: Be the mother of my kids, billy! Run away with me to Christmasland.
Billy: Ok but who’s gonna mother me?
I want charlie to discover her onlyfans...
Charlie thismotherfucker Talent Manx III: my joy,,,
Billy Crowe: shhhhh, you’ll upset the baby..
Charlie: *fucking sweats* we haven’t even done that ye-
Billy: me. IM baby.
I thought of a random scenario where billy lands on the night road and she chills inside the parnassus bar and Charlie happens to arrive a few minutes later and billy would eventually smell his candy ass from like the other part of the bar and either call him out or dip because dbsjsbsns we all know he’s a fanatic and billy might aswell be energy vampire food. I’m sjsnsns I should write this scenario but I’m scared of my writing and should really finish my other one first 😂
I would love to see that! 😂😂😂
it’s ridiculous dbsnsns
I can’t believe jolene’s cute ass really almost ended Charlie’s entire fucking career. She really told this man to kick rocks and choke on them. Thats savage.
I thought of a random scenario where billy lands on the night road and she chills inside the parnassus bar and Charlie happens to arrive a few minutes later and billy would eventually smell his candy ass from like the other part of the bar and either call him out or dip because dbsjsbsns we all know he’s a fanatic and billy might aswell be energy vampire food. I’m sjsnsns I should write this scenario but I’m scared of my writing and should really finish my other one first 😂
My name is Hannah and in this essay I will be utilizing the skills I learned in AP lit for the first time ever to explain how the AMC TV show NOS4A2 did Charles Talent Manx dirty. Now, I have only seen season 1 (because I’m poor and can’t afford cable) so just keep that in mind.
~FIRST AND FOREMOST, this has nothing to do with acting. Zachary Quinto is a great actor and was absolutely perfect for this role.~
To begin with, in the novel of the same name by Joe Hill, Charlie was borderline a morally grey character. (For the sake of the argument, let’s ignore the fact that he kidnapped children and turned them into small vampires for the time being). He was mild mannered unless provoked, and even then only acted in defense. In the show, one of the first things Charlie does on screen is kill Haley’s cat, Mittens, without reason. (In the novel, Mittens wandered off and was hit by a car, which is how Vic found it using her shorter way.) The show vilified him and made it hard to root for him as a character, because no one wants to root for an antagonist who’s cruel to animals.
Another key difference in character is TV Charlie’s lack of humor. In the novel, Charlie is witty and snarky, even after Bing shoots him in the ear. In the show, his humor is much more dry, and used only to get a cheap laugh. He’s portrayed as a more serious character, and one could argue that in the novel, Charlie’s charm and good nature is part of what makes him such a likable antagonist. Most of those redeeming qualities were stripped away.
My third and final point is, perhaps, the most controversial: his relationship with the protagonist, Vic McQueen. When Charlie first meets Vic in the novel, he chases her into Sleigh House and tries to burn her alive. In the show, the second Charlie sees Vic, he starts simping over her. Like, third line out of his mouth is “my kids need a mother… you’d be very welcome in Christmasland.” He then proceeds to simp over her for the next few episodes. WHAT?! Where did that come from? (Let’s keep in mind that Vic is 18 and Charlie is, like, a hundred.) He only stops simping when he realizes that Vic slept with her boyfriend, and then we finally(!) get to the whole “light her up!” bits. I don’t even know where to begin to unpack this. In the novel, Charlie is (happily) a bachelor, after being married twice to two horrible women. He also hates women in general, after having a neglectful mother and being married to two awful women. Towards the end of the novel, he implies that he and Vic might have had chemistry in another life, but that’s the extent of their “romance”. He prefers his women to not be heavily tattooed and swearing like sailors, apparently.
In conclusion, for these reasons (and so many others, let’s be real here), the TV series portrayed Charlie Manx in a way that made him almost unlikable. The show was entertaining, don’t get me wrong, but NOS4A2 is one of my all time favorite books, and I just think the show could have kept certain elements in.
Excellent analysis!!! Even if you only used season one as evidence, you’ve pointed out the things that are less discussed when critiquing how the show wrote Charlie’s character. While season one was better for Charlie’s character compared to season two, it still had the moments you described above which weren’t the best. Season two’s reasons have been discussed multiple times, pointing these things out from season one is important too! While the book had aspects of Charlie that were questionably morally worse than TV Charlie, these are far and few, at least from what I’ve seen.
The whole thing with Mittens I thought was stupid too. I theorize that Charlie ends the lives of certain animals to prevent them from suffering and dying slowly (putting them out of their misery before they are met with a terrible fate). This relates heavily with a theme following Charlie: preventing those from falling into an even worse fate, like his kids. Perhaps Mittens would’ve been hit by a car and left to suffer as road kill had Charlie not put him out right then and there. This is only a theory, of course, as I’m sure the writers’ true intent was as you described, to make Charlie an even worse villain. This sort of thing, however, happened occasionally with book Charlie as well. If I remember correctly, there was a scene where he randomly hits over a hedgehog. I think this is a lazy part on Joe to make him look like an even worse villain, and the writers, wanting to make Charlie as bad as possible, latched onto this concept. I still think my theory could hold up tho, even if it isn’t canon, but that’s just me lmao.
I definitely noticed book Charlie and TV Charlie’s differences in humor. Book Charlie I find pretty funny. He’s louder than TV Charlie, which can be annoying. I’m kind of glad they made TV Charlie quieter and almost smarter, but with this, he does lose some extra charm as you described. I’m mixed on this myself, because I love how funny and goofy book Charlie is (even if at times he could be annoying), but I also love how serious TV Charlie is. He can still be funny, yeah… but it’s weird lol. I agree with you tho 100%. If they had made Charlie worse, but given him more of an upbeat nature, it might’ve been just a bit better, but they added insult to injury by making him less comical. (I still love both Charlie’s oddly enough XD).
I’ll be honest that I kind of like the change to having Charlie have an interest in Vic, as burning his house down (which, btw, regardless if he was doing it somewhat randomly like in the book, or out of heartbreak in the show, I always still found the idea of him deciding to burn his house down a little overkill lol), it makes just a bit more sense for him to do it out of spite for someone who broke his heart, but still, I think it could’ve maybe be written better too. He seems to be a little rushed with asking her, which isn’t gentlemanly (he is a gentleman for sure). I could see why he did it, because he wanted to try something different as far as romantic interests go, but at the same time, it is a little awkward. He was a bit of a bachelor in the book, which I kind of really liked too 😂 His comment on perhaps him and Vic getting to like each other had they met under different circumstances was certainly funny and kinda sexy XD I’m a little mixed with this myself, but I see where you’re coming from and agree that it probably could’ve been written just a bit better.
All in all, great analysis! Both the book and show (especially show) aren’t perfect, but I agree with you that one thing that is near perfect from the book is Charlie being a morally gray villain with a strict moral code that the show failed in multiple different areas to present successfully, and as you said, he’s almost unlikable. But we will always have him written as the villain he truly is through our fanfiction! The writers won’t take that away from us! ❤️❤️❤️
The scene with Manx killing Mittens only served one purpose and that was to make the viewers unsympathetic towards him. That’s it, nothing more. Jami O’Brien outright said this in an interview for season 1. She was concerned with the viewers sympathizing with Charlie and she wanted to nixed that right from the start. In season 2 she was even more determined to make sure that everyone hated the villains. She even went as far as barely praise Zachary Quinto and Olafur Darri Olafsson for their performances, but yet on twitter she praised all the actors who played the “good guys” endlessly and retweeted anyone else who praised those actors. She even only lavished praise on Mattea Conforti after Millie turned on her father. It was like she was afraid to give the bad guys any kind of positive feedback because it might make the viewers side with them.
I will say that I greatly enjoyed Charlie’s romantic interest in Vic. It added another layer to their complex relationship and it’s something I wish they would’ve gotten more into in season 2.
^^^^ Yes to all of this. It’s pretty wrong of Jami to do. She should’ve praised all the actors equally. The whole thing with Mittons was really stupid and lazy. I tried to theorize and figure out why the hell Charlie would even do that because it was so jarring and out of nowhere. I mean, this was even the time I hated Charlie and didn’t realize how much of a great character he is, and even I thought that was overkill then. It’s a shame, really. But like I always say… fanfiction can solve all of that! ❤️💚
I’m not certain how many fans are aware of Jami’s strong dislike for Charlie and the thing of it is that she never hid it. She’s stated that she and Zachary Quinto didn’t agree on each other’s view points of Charlie so I can only imagine how frustrated she must’ve been when he played Charlie as the complex character that he was and not the one dimensional character she wanted him to be. There was an interview with Jami, Zach, and Joe HIll and Joe Hill talked about how he felt for Charlie because when Joe was going through his own divorce he understood what it was like to want to be the fun parent for his kids. You can see the frustration on Jami’s face when Joe was saying all this. It was like ‘why do you guys keep ruining my image of Charlie?’
I know I harp on Jami a lot, but she was the showrunner for this show and it was on her how she decided to change Charlie and his backstory to fit her narrative.
I’m not certain either. The fact she acted that way… I mean, seriously. When you get mad at the original author’s view points on the character he created, and you willingly work on a project about his original work XD. I wonder if she had a temporary God complex and felt she was the one to come up with the original story, not Joe, so she was enraged. Idk, I know I do too, but she’s the one that made these choices like you said, and if she doesn’t like people being unhappy, oh well lady lol.
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y’all thought own me, was something...i’m cooking up something else nobody will see coming because i’m GARBAGE.
— 𝚒’𝚟𝚎 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚖 𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐, 𝚎𝚡𝚌𝚎𝚙𝚝 𝚊 𝚖𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛.
charlie & billy.
car chase — got the devil on me can’t see, got nothing but a twenty on me, on me. nothing ever comes for free you can pay what you want but your never gonna own me.
haven’t even started and i wanna make it clear, the tv show can eat my entire ass. i love and hate it at the same time, but charlie loved his daughter and it pained him to see her wanting to move on without him : hurt is the motive behind he lashing out during the costume cabin scene. i feel tugging at her arm was a bit much and ooc even, charlie would never dare put his hands where they don’t belong even if it was just a simple tug, he proved that aswell in season one when bing pa.rtridge mishandled haley smith. millie is literally the only thing he has left in this world and without her, he has no motive, no drive, no “morals” even if the man is twisted he has standards. so the writers can all choke because cha.rlie ma.nx would never turn his back on the only thing he truly cares for or be that extra for no fucking reason.
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