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[its-not-lookin-good]

It is kind of telling that at times, Jason's behavior in a comic is so obviously out of character that the comic itself (or a retcon) has to shoehorn in some excuse for it.

[yours-starving]

i think jason todd should always be a little bratty. he never got to grow up. he’s a crybaby and a child and that’s okay.

[cologona]

Jason was not asking Bruce to kill Joker, Bruce’s options were to kill Jason or let Jason kill Joker. If you won’t listen to me, then perhaps you will listen to the author.

[yours-starving]

i get what you mean but — like with dick and blockbuster — killing someone and letting someone else kill that person is almost the same in the bat code. so by asking bruce to let jason kill the joker jason was kind of asking bruce to kill the joker. i’m not really wrong for phrasing it that way

[cologona]

To say that Jason wanted Bruce to kill Joker directly erases the point being made about complicity. A lot of people prefer it (and insist upon it) because idk it’s more comfortable if Jason is just irrational.

The dilemma Jason presents is that Bruce must either accept that he’s complicit in the knock-on effects of his actions (and inactions) and thus shoot Jason, or he must remain stalwart in his position that he is not complicit and thus let Jason kill Joker.

If you’re thinking that doesn’t make sense because the whole point of becoming a vigilante is to not let people die, yes that’s the point Jason is making.

[c0nstel]

i love looking through old letter pages whenever i can find them and this one from TEC #546 might be one of my favorites, idk who or where u are elizabeth holden but u were so based and i hope u know that 💔

[majiburger]

favorite, favorite moment in the arkham knight novel is when jason (internally) jeers at bruce's choice to wear a cowl that reveals the lower half of his face – a decision jason reads as bruce trying to people-please despite it all, to signal to others that he's still human and trustworthy, and even vulnerable. which is very interesting commentary because jason himself is covered head-to-toe, both in that verse and in his pre-muzzle days in the main verse. i wonder if that has anything to do with jason's dehumanization of himself (and others), the way he lives in service of a pyrrhic mission and intends to burn everyone who gets in the way of said mission. a lack of empathy for others, a lack of empathy for himself. which just makes the last scene of the VIDEO GAME quite insane to think about, because there's a scene where bruce is about to punch jason and jason purposefully turns the visuals of his helmet transparent so bruce can see his face. and it's like. was he testing bruce's vulnerability or his own? was he showing bruce he was still human or begging bruce to show him some humanity? it's both obviously. it's such a frail moment, compounded all the more by this throwaway dialogue about masks and faces. and then you start thinking about how jason always wears his helmet but when he's confronting bruce, he always takes it off and it's so evident how significant it is to him to be showing his face because he clearly believes you shouldn't. he's clearly against that. even in battle for the cowl, his batman suit had a muzzle on it, and yet....every single time he's with his father...the mask has to come off. he has to humanize himself because he wants bruce to humanize him, to make him feel real and not like a shell of himself. it's such an interesting representation of the extremes to which jason takes things – a way of saying, if you're going to be batman, go all the way. which is what he does of course, but, as we know, his desire to be loved makes him waver, makes him back out at the last minute. and what's one of the first things jason does when he sees batman in under the red hood? takes a dagger to the cowl to unmask him. to make him feel weak, to humiliate him yes, but....to bring out his human side as well? most definitely.

[the-minster]

The Tim Drake uwu-ification bothers me in the face of the abject horror and trajedy of Jason's trauma so much because it reveals a lot about what kind of victim most people will want and that's why they prefer to see Tim as the poorest little wet meow meow.

The uwu-Timmy is always silent about his pain and bears it to the point of breaking under it and beyond, he never voices his trauma or fear and doesn't inconvenience anyone and he feeds into the narrative of a saviour coming along who sees his pain (Dick most often tbh), the glorious brave saviour of the victim. The helpless victim in need of saving, powerless on his own. The uwu-Timmy is cute and inoffensive, he is a "good" victim. The kind that doesn't bother other people.

Jason Todd on the other hand is the furthest thing from inoffensive and unbothersome, he's a "bad" victim, who demands you to look and see, who demands that you face the reality of him. Jason Todd doesn't need a saviour, there is no saviour of the broken power-fantasy that he enables. He doesn't need permission or support and he can't be controlled. He is the kind of victim people don't want to deal with.

And seeing the uwu-ification of Tim vs the asshole-ization of Jason just makes me realize that all these people in the fandom will hate victims who bother them and who are too loud. All these people who misunderstand Jason to just be too angry and out of control, who'd best just stick him in therapy or have someone teach him a lesson.

[de-vespertiliones]

Reblogging with @roobylavender's tags because they are excellent. I can delete if you'd prefer though:

#honestly the most interesting thing about it all to me is the fact that tim IS an asshole#well. not an asshole asshole but he’s bratty. he’s well meaning but he can also be self absorbed and inpatient and snappy#he’s far more rebellious as a person than jason is prior to his death#so the fact that he gets so uwufied and diluted is baffling to me bc the whole point of his arc as robin#is that he’s so sheltered it renders him brash and unable to understand the depths of what exactly it is he is stepping into#jason is never afforded that shelter and it’s why we see him as someone more directly empathic as a child#but also so impassioned following his resurrection bc he understands this system and its failures intimately#jason never really gets to be a child in the sense that he’s protected#whereas tim does. and that’s what makes what happens to tim and the people he cares about eventually such a rude awakening#he’s utterly unprepared and has unrealistic expectations of the life he’s entering into as a symbol#and i think you can make really great class commentary with that in juxtaposition with jason#about how tim is in that place of privilege and how it simultaneously damns him to be unprepared for the trauma that follows#whereas jason is never afforded that luxury and must be intimate with trauma always bc to even try to look away from it is incompatible with#his own conscience. and obv his own brutal experience with death#but anyway sorry op for the mess in your tags here ultimately i agree with you lol#but it disappoints me that this is what jason and tim’s dynamic in narrative and analysis has become bc they offer a lot of potential#as foils for class commentary and such. but no writer ever really cares for it

[distanteffigy]

there is an evil inside me that threatens to break free every time i'm forced to see with my own eyes anything regarding ra's having tim's spleen, ra's is obsessed with tim, ra's would choose tim over his own grandson, demon's head tim, ra's respects tim more than any other bat and that's why he's called detective— just. shut up shut up shut up shut up. tim was a means to an end, and that's it. ra's doesn't have his spleen. get your sopping wet self-insert racist fantasy away from the al ghuls

[pluckyredhead]

I just need the world to never forget that Stephanie Brown was introduced in 1992, died in 2004, and didn't get her first action figure until 2010.

Meanwhile in 2005 DC produced an action figure of Black Mask holding the power drill he used to torture her to death.

[sunlitlemonade]

heartbreaking: character whose core defining traits are being camp & cunty is reduced to a stone of wall that is grumpy all the time so that he can be a parent to the guy two years younger than him. everyone except you & your beloved moots & followers seems to thoroughly enjoy it tho. the guy that quipped & flipped around now only swears a string of unnecessary curses because. well because the fandom said so. yay ♥️ ok then ♥️

[uncertainlys]

MY FINGERS BARELY EVEN TOUCHED YOUR STUPID FUCKING AD STOP REDIRECTING ME TO THE APP STORE

[mikakuna]

oh brother

[c0nstel]

i think my favorite thing about moench’s jason is that he’s just so fucking funny, like i genuinely laugh whenever i read his dialogue he’s such a funny kid 😭😭

it’s not the only thing i like about moench’s jason ofc, but it is smth i notice every time i read a comic from his run like his jason is just really fun to read imo

[c0nstel]

like he’s so fucking weird man 😭 out-freaked BATMAN, hes so incredibly dear to me i cant

[c0nstel]

i think my favorite thing about moench’s jason is that he’s just so fucking funny, like i genuinely laugh whenever i read his dialogue he’s such a funny kid 😭😭

it’s not the only thing i like about moench’s jason ofc, but it is smth i notice every time i read a comic from his run like his jason is just really fun to read imo

[zangoonse]

i love the phrase "cruel and unusual." not only is what you're doing mean but it's also quite frankly fucking bizarre

[c0nstel]

deny deny deny is so jason todd and dick grayson to me its all i can think of when i hear it

[dc-tournaments]

World's Worst Sibling Round 1

Red Hood | Jason Todd

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Voting ended onAug 18, 2025

Why do they deserve to win?

Jason Todd (TW violence, incest mention)

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No propaganda submitted.

[spiritsglade]

"...that time in UtRH he nuked Dicks city" This is FALSE. Slade is the one that nuked Bludhaven. "Ribbed Bruce about it" This DID HAPPEN, but isn't really sibling behavior when the target is Bruce (notably not a sibling.)

"He tried to kill he brother and his other brother and his other brother" This is PARTIALLY TRUE. Jason attempted to kill both Tim and Damian in BTFC, but at no point did he make an attempt on Dick's life.

"He is actually awful to [...] younger heroes. He kidnapped speedy and blew up her school." While the bit regarding Mia Dearden is TRUE, a single example does not a pattern make. Additionally, this bears no relevance to how he treats his siblings! Mia is not his sister! "Offered Tim to get a beer with him. Tim was 16." While TRUE, Jason was also underage. Additionally, I would argue this is actually great brother behavior. What is the point of siblinghood if you aren't breaking laws with them?

"...otherwise shot Damian in the spine." This is FALSE. While Jason did shoot Damian in the chest in BFTC, it was Flamingo who shot Damian multiples times in the back during Batman and Robin.

"The killings" were not about his siblings, although the "attempted fraticide", as previously mentioned, did occur. "There's also that nonsense with his older brother's friends and whatnot." This is a point that should be entirely disregarded.

"Slit Tim's throat in Hush." This is FALSE, that was Clayface, Loeb intended for it to be Clayface and disagreed so hard with Winick retconning it into Jason, that he came back 20 years later to write H2SH and re-retcon it into being Clayface. Even if we were to presume that was Jason, the bleeding from the cut was easily controlled, did not immediately need stitches, and was in general not life threatening.

"Not a good brother for dick, tim, cass nor damian tbh." This DEPENDS ON THE ERA but also Jason never did anything to Cass.

"has tried to kill his adoptive siblings multiple times" This is FALSE, although there is some leeway depending on how you interpret the phrase. While Jason has tried to kill multiple adoptive siblings (Tim and Damian,) he has not tried to kill any single one of them more than once.

Various other points are repetitive, too vague, true, or irrelevant.

[starspilli]

a little comic for jasons birthday. on being robin & batman and being brave & scared

[spiritsglade]

he cozy....

[spiritsglade]

kerry gammill draws such a cute jaybin