Caleb-Debates

Hi! I’m Caleb, I’m an Avid Christian. I’m an artist, writer, and INTJ. I welcome any form of debate. Primarily on topics of the Gospel. Proverbs 3:5-6

[caleb-debates]

Hey Everyone! I’m opening up a Discord Server for anyone who wants to join! Understand that it is moderated by Christians, and is primarily for Christians. So everything will be looked at through the lens of the Gospel. However anyone is welcomed!

There is a space for debates, but members do not have to be apart of those channels if they do not wish to be. There are channels for safe spaces to vent and let out frustration or ask for advice. (Note that again all advice is given through a Gospel lens.)

There are also channels for just casual discussion, art, and so on. Any conversation topics are allowed so long as they don’t go against the Bible! Feel free to discuss Star Wars and Pokémon all you want.

Most Importantly there are channels for Gospel conversation, quotes, scriptures, sermons, and so on!

The Official Server Invite for 'Caleb-Debates Official'!

https://discord.gg/EPSNejh

Come on in!

[caleb-debates]

I'm so sorry for all the hate you're getting for being saved by Christ and embracing your real nature as a man. The devil works hard and is ingraining in people's mind that they are not perfect as are and should be 'fixed' - but that's a LIE. You're provind such a wonderful testimony for trans to show them they can be saved and that God loves them!✨ Please don't give up and keep spreading the Word!! God bless you!! ✝️

Thank you! And will do!

Through my salvation I’ve learned that there is no greater joy then experiencing reconciliation to God! And it’s through that joy and that newfound love for God that I come on here to spread the Gospel!

And you’re right! We aren’t something broken, nor a mistake made by God.

The truth is that everyone of our bodies is wonderfully made by God (Psalm 139). Everyone of our bodies is ultimately created for God. Everyone of our bodies is supernaturally designed by God to be satisfied in God (Psalm 63). Everyone of our bodies is sexually defined by God for our good and for the Gospel.

And furthermore we are ALL prone to sexual confusion, deviation, and rebellion against God as my own testimony shows. In fact we’re all guilty of sexual sin, separating us from God. So this is why we cannot say God would not allow someone to be born with a bent towards these sexual sins. Because the reality is that we’re all born that way. We don’t choose those temptations but we do choose our reactions to them. We’re all in need of reconciliation to God (Psalm 51) and that is why we are provided with Christ!

Jesus has made a way for all of us to enjoy our ultimate Identity in God (Galatians 2, Colossians 1 & 3). The Gospel awakens us to an entirely new grid. The Gospel opens our eyes to the reality that God our creator is good and loving. That we at our core have sinned against him and our identity is sinful, but Jesus came to pay the price for our sins on a cross and in doing so he has made a way for us to have an entirely new identity in him! I’ve yet to find a greater peace and joy then the peace and joy I find in my identity with Christ!

[caleb-debates]

Had a blessed time caroling with our Church Family tonight! It’s an amazing thing to be able to go out in these small neighborhoods and bring joy and Gospel messages to these folks!

[mandi-is-a-lesbian]

Hey everyone! So.. This is me! Im a trans lesbian. This is more than just a face reveal. Its a reminder to all trans women that. We matter. Some people may say otherwise but its far from true!!! We’re women just as much as they are! Sure we weren’t born that way but we didn’t get to choose that? So who gives a fuck! Were women and we should stand proud to be able to say were ourselves. To all my fellow trans lesbians. You are real lesbians. You like women! You find them pretty and cute. Whether its the soft curves or the long hair, or smooth legs! Its what you like! Even the butch women! With toned muscles or hairy legs! Whether its the narrow face and small nose bridge or the small shoulders you like girls! That’s sooo valid!! So go find yourself the right girl and live life with her!!! Do what you’ve always wanted!! Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t a real lesbian. Because you are! To all the bisexual trans women. You matter too. You are a real bisexual woman. You like who you wanna like. Men? Women? You like them both! Youre just as valid as anyone else because you rock!! You go get yourself a nice boyfriend or a nice girlfriend and live life with them. Do all the fun things you’ve always imagined doing with your partner. To all the straight trans women. You matter as much as the other trans women. You like guys. You find them handsome and attractive. Whether its the facial hair, or the muscle mass, or just the way theyre built. Jaw line, nose bridge, whatever. You like those men. Even the more feminine men!! Who like to shave or wear more feminine clothing!! Theyre just as cool!! So go rock it girl!! Find yourself a nice man and live your life with him!! Do what you’ve always dreamed of doing!

[hello-homosexuals-blog]

Transwomen? Valid.

[caleb-debates]

I am going to openly admit that this used to be me, for anyone who wants to know where I come from.

I’m a 16 year old with Bipolar II, Anxiety, and plenty of problems. I used to believe that I was a transgirl, supportive of lgbt stuff, and so on so forth.

But ultimately through it all I struggled, I could not let go of the idea that I was wrong. That I knew of something else to be the truth. I tried religion a couple times, but In the end worshipped what I thought was God but was actually my own idols.

On September 14th, 2019. A few days after my Birthday. I came to the reality of what I knew to be true. And I was saved by Christ. I left discord, I left LGBT groups. And I began to proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

Many of you probably won’t believe this, I don’t expect you too. But ultimately it’s the truth.

I’m now starting a debate blog centered on a foundation of Christ. As he is the building block and cornerstone of our lives.

All are welcome to follow me and debate with me. And I will not force my beliefs on anyone. But I will debate and proclaim the truth, until I get kicked off this site.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

How I am not surprised that a male who called himself a lesbian now proclaims his love for Jesus Christ and how much religion is the only path and how much gay ppl shouldn’t indulge in their feelings (see his other comments). As someone who think religions function so well with so many people because they fill the void in their mind caused by their fear of life and death, I gotta laugh. You did one thing good : to stop seeing yourself as what you will never be, a woman and specifically a lesbian. Males can never be that, by definition. The rest is laughable, religions continue to eat brains and to kill critical thinking in the same way, but it seems to just be a continuation here as this guy used to not see reality clearly and now doesn’t see it clearly either but in a very different way.

[caleb-debates]

I’ll have to disagree with you on the majority of that. I’d make the argument that I think more critically and logically then I ever have. And In general I’m someone who thinks a lot. The Bible is filled with logic and critical thinking.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

The Bible isn’t filled with logic and critical thinking, there are some sentences that can be useful for everybody, like any insightful quote in literature, but logic ? Critical thinking ? No. It’s also very hypocritical for most religious ppl on earth to still follow certain centuries old rules of their dusty “holy” books (rules thar never made sense, even in a more ancient time) while rejecting others, for example eating certain “forbidden food” but still hating on homosexuality. If right now is the time where you think more critically than ever before then it tells a lot about the lack of critical thinking you had before.

Believing is the contrary of making observations (science), believing is blind trust, people can believe and some do indulge in it, but it’s never a result of logic. When we lack purpose, when we fear what comes after life and death, then it’s easy to be prayed on by religions, the same way cults do, which is logical since institutional religions are just bigger cults. A free woman/man is one that thinks by themselves and add ideas to the conversation, not one that seems stuck repeating the same nonsensical sentences written by frustrated men centuries and centuries ago.

[caleb-debates]

What is logic to you?

The Bible contains events that can only be explained in the supernatural. But that has nothing to do with logic. If you rule out the supernatural at the outset then you have arbitrarily set conditions on the Bible based on your own opinion. Yes, the supernatural violates the laws of nature, but that is what it means to be supernatural by definition. God is a supernatural personal being who created nature and its’ laws. He stands above them. He can do things outside of them. He suspend them. There is nothing illogical about that.

Furthermore I believe in the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim their writings to be divine rather then human in origin.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

Logic implies proofs, things that you can yourself witness. What you are describing here is simply yourself believing what other people have stated they have witnessed, but nothing can prove you they were saying the truth. All these things are vapid productions of human’s imagination and you’re blindly believing it just like small children believe their parents when they are constructing the myth of Santa Claus to them. It warms our hearts as kids, it gives us hope and makes us happy, but none of it is true.

[caleb-debates]

Nothing about this is blind belief. It’s a development that has gone on for years, and furthermore backed up by studies and so forth.

So, if logic implies things you can see for yourself then how do you know George Washington was really the first president? You didn’t see him with your own eyes so I guess it’s false right?

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

Everything about this is blind belief, you just don’t want to admit it because it’s your rock. The fact that you’re telling me this has been a development of years for you “backed up by studies and so forth” only makes me want to pity you for the years lost. It’s your life, you’re allowed to waste it, and I’m allowed to laugh at the lack of critical thinking. You gotta be especially lost to compare history, backed up by written texts from that time and not only 10 or 15 witnesses but an entire nation, to texts telling us incredibly unbelievable things. People who wrote that shit smoked weed or something, I never said the Bible wasn’t a good fictional story, it is and you gotta see that way, else it looks ridiculous from an outside point of view.

I’m going to stop there, I have no desire to pursue conversations with adults who believe in things that were never witnessed, were never believable, and that are basically bedtime stories for grown ups. I especially don’t take you ppl seriously when you support institutional religions and will try to preach your psalms to the next weak and lost human being. That’s all for me.

[caleb-debates]

I mean if all you want to do is tell me how wrong I am rather then hear the facts that’s your prerogative. I’m not gonna bother with it.

But, I’ll leave you with this. God created us perfectly, without error. But due to our sin nature we inevitably fell. And now like Romans 1 says we replace God with our own desires. Replacing knowledge for foolishness, and God for idols. And we should be doomed to hell. It should be us. Instead God sent himself. Christ died on that cross to pay the penalty we owe for everything we do that defies God. His death, burial, and resurrection is the Gospel. Think about that.

What do you have to lose? If the Christian is right, we go to heaven and live for eternity. If we’re wrong. You rot die and rot in the ground. If the unbeliever is wrong you go to hell and suffer for eternity. If you’re right then you die and rot in the ground. Christ died so that we can live with him for eternity. Yes it comes at a price, but there is no greater reward then him.

[mandi-is-a-lesbian]

Hey everyone! So.. This is me! Im a trans lesbian. This is more than just a face reveal. Its a reminder to all trans women that. We matter. Some people may say otherwise but its far from true!!! We’re women just as much as they are! Sure we weren’t born that way but we didn’t get to choose that? So who gives a fuck! Were women and we should stand proud to be able to say were ourselves. To all my fellow trans lesbians. You are real lesbians. You like women! You find them pretty and cute. Whether its the soft curves or the long hair, or smooth legs! Its what you like! Even the butch women! With toned muscles or hairy legs! Whether its the narrow face and small nose bridge or the small shoulders you like girls! That’s sooo valid!! So go find yourself the right girl and live life with her!!! Do what you’ve always wanted!! Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t a real lesbian. Because you are! To all the bisexual trans women. You matter too. You are a real bisexual woman. You like who you wanna like. Men? Women? You like them both! Youre just as valid as anyone else because you rock!! You go get yourself a nice boyfriend or a nice girlfriend and live life with them. Do all the fun things you’ve always imagined doing with your partner. To all the straight trans women. You matter as much as the other trans women. You like guys. You find them handsome and attractive. Whether its the facial hair, or the muscle mass, or just the way theyre built. Jaw line, nose bridge, whatever. You like those men. Even the more feminine men!! Who like to shave or wear more feminine clothing!! Theyre just as cool!! So go rock it girl!! Find yourself a nice man and live your life with him!! Do what you’ve always dreamed of doing!

[hello-homosexuals-blog]

Transwomen? Valid.

[caleb-debates]

I am going to openly admit that this used to be me, for anyone who wants to know where I come from.

I’m a 16 year old with Bipolar II, Anxiety, and plenty of problems. I used to believe that I was a transgirl, supportive of lgbt stuff, and so on so forth.

But ultimately through it all I struggled, I could not let go of the idea that I was wrong. That I knew of something else to be the truth. I tried religion a couple times, but In the end worshipped what I thought was God but was actually my own idols.

On September 14th, 2019. A few days after my Birthday. I came to the reality of what I knew to be true. And I was saved by Christ. I left discord, I left LGBT groups. And I began to proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

Many of you probably won’t believe this, I don’t expect you too. But ultimately it’s the truth.

I’m now starting a debate blog centered on a foundation of Christ. As he is the building block and cornerstone of our lives.

All are welcome to follow me and debate with me. And I will not force my beliefs on anyone. But I will debate and proclaim the truth, until I get kicked off this site.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

How I am not surprised that a male who called himself a lesbian now proclaims his love for Jesus Christ and how much religion is the only path and how much gay ppl shouldn’t indulge in their feelings (see his other comments). As someone who think religions function so well with so many people because they fill the void in their mind caused by their fear of life and death, I gotta laugh. You did one thing good : to stop seeing yourself as what you will never be, a woman and specifically a lesbian. Males can never be that, by definition. The rest is laughable, religions continue to eat brains and to kill critical thinking in the same way, but it seems to just be a continuation here as this guy used to not see reality clearly and now doesn’t see it clearly either but in a very different way.

[caleb-debates]

I’ll have to disagree with you on the majority of that. I’d make the argument that I think more critically and logically then I ever have. And In general I’m someone who thinks a lot. The Bible is filled with logic and critical thinking.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

The Bible isn’t filled with logic and critical thinking, there are some sentences that can be useful for everybody, like any insightful quote in literature, but logic ? Critical thinking ? No. It’s also very hypocritical for most religious ppl on earth to still follow certain centuries old rules of their dusty “holy” books (rules thar never made sense, even in a more ancient time) while rejecting others, for example eating certain “forbidden food” but still hating on homosexuality. If right now is the time where you think more critically than ever before then it tells a lot about the lack of critical thinking you had before.

Believing is the contrary of making observations (science), believing is blind trust, people can believe and some do indulge in it, but it’s never a result of logic. When we lack purpose, when we fear what comes after life and death, then it’s easy to be prayed on by religions, the same way cults do, which is logical since institutional religions are just bigger cults. A free woman/man is one that thinks by themselves and add ideas to the conversation, not one that seems stuck repeating the same nonsensical sentences written by frustrated men centuries and centuries ago.

[caleb-debates]

What is logic to you?

The Bible contains events that can only be explained in the supernatural. But that has nothing to do with logic. If you rule out the supernatural at the outset then you have arbitrarily set conditions on the Bible based on your own opinion. Yes, the supernatural violates the laws of nature, but that is what it means to be supernatural by definition. God is a supernatural personal being who created nature and its’ laws. He stands above them. He can do things outside of them. He suspend them. There is nothing illogical about that.

Furthermore I believe in the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim their writings to be divine rather then human in origin.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

Logic implies proofs, things that you can yourself witness. What you are describing here is simply yourself believing what other people have stated they have witnessed, but nothing can prove you they were saying the truth. All these things are vapid productions of human’s imagination and you’re blindly believing it just like small children believe their parents when they are constructing the myth of Santa Claus to them. It warms our hearts as kids, it gives us hope and makes us happy, but none of it is true.

[caleb-debates]

Nothing about this is blind belief. It’s a development that has gone on for years, and furthermore backed up by studies and so forth.

So, if logic implies things you can see for yourself then how do you know George Washington was really the first president? You didn’t see him with your own eyes so I guess it’s false right?

[caleb-debates]

u ok?

Why wouldn’t I be?

[mandi-is-a-lesbian]

Hey everyone! So.. This is me! Im a trans lesbian. This is more than just a face reveal. Its a reminder to all trans women that. We matter. Some people may say otherwise but its far from true!!! We’re women just as much as they are! Sure we weren’t born that way but we didn’t get to choose that? So who gives a fuck! Were women and we should stand proud to be able to say were ourselves. To all my fellow trans lesbians. You are real lesbians. You like women! You find them pretty and cute. Whether its the soft curves or the long hair, or smooth legs! Its what you like! Even the butch women! With toned muscles or hairy legs! Whether its the narrow face and small nose bridge or the small shoulders you like girls! That’s sooo valid!! So go find yourself the right girl and live life with her!!! Do what you’ve always wanted!! Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t a real lesbian. Because you are! To all the bisexual trans women. You matter too. You are a real bisexual woman. You like who you wanna like. Men? Women? You like them both! Youre just as valid as anyone else because you rock!! You go get yourself a nice boyfriend or a nice girlfriend and live life with them. Do all the fun things you’ve always imagined doing with your partner. To all the straight trans women. You matter as much as the other trans women. You like guys. You find them handsome and attractive. Whether its the facial hair, or the muscle mass, or just the way theyre built. Jaw line, nose bridge, whatever. You like those men. Even the more feminine men!! Who like to shave or wear more feminine clothing!! Theyre just as cool!! So go rock it girl!! Find yourself a nice man and live your life with him!! Do what you’ve always dreamed of doing!

[hello-homosexuals-blog]

Transwomen? Valid.

[caleb-debates]

I am going to openly admit that this used to be me, for anyone who wants to know where I come from.

I’m a 16 year old with Bipolar II, Anxiety, and plenty of problems. I used to believe that I was a transgirl, supportive of lgbt stuff, and so on so forth.

But ultimately through it all I struggled, I could not let go of the idea that I was wrong. That I knew of something else to be the truth. I tried religion a couple times, but In the end worshipped what I thought was God but was actually my own idols.

On September 14th, 2019. A few days after my Birthday. I came to the reality of what I knew to be true. And I was saved by Christ. I left discord, I left LGBT groups. And I began to proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

Many of you probably won’t believe this, I don’t expect you too. But ultimately it’s the truth.

I’m now starting a debate blog centered on a foundation of Christ. As he is the building block and cornerstone of our lives.

All are welcome to follow me and debate with me. And I will not force my beliefs on anyone. But I will debate and proclaim the truth, until I get kicked off this site.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

How I am not surprised that a male who called himself a lesbian now proclaims his love for Jesus Christ and how much religion is the only path and how much gay ppl shouldn’t indulge in their feelings (see his other comments). As someone who think religions function so well with so many people because they fill the void in their mind caused by their fear of life and death, I gotta laugh. You did one thing good : to stop seeing yourself as what you will never be, a woman and specifically a lesbian. Males can never be that, by definition. The rest is laughable, religions continue to eat brains and to kill critical thinking in the same way, but it seems to just be a continuation here as this guy used to not see reality clearly and now doesn’t see it clearly either but in a very different way.

[caleb-debates]

I’ll have to disagree with you on the majority of that. I’d make the argument that I think more critically and logically then I ever have. And In general I’m someone who thinks a lot. The Bible is filled with logic and critical thinking.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

The Bible isn’t filled with logic and critical thinking, there are some sentences that can be useful for everybody, like any insightful quote in literature, but logic ? Critical thinking ? No. It’s also very hypocritical for most religious ppl on earth to still follow certain centuries old rules of their dusty “holy” books (rules thar never made sense, even in a more ancient time) while rejecting others, for example eating certain “forbidden food” but still hating on homosexuality. If right now is the time where you think more critically than ever before then it tells a lot about the lack of critical thinking you had before.

Believing is the contrary of making observations (science), believing is blind trust, people can believe and some do indulge in it, but it’s never a result of logic. When we lack purpose, when we fear what comes after life and death, then it’s easy to be prayed on by religions, the same way cults do, which is logical since institutional religions are just bigger cults. A free woman/man is one that thinks by themselves and add ideas to the conversation, not one that seems stuck repeating the same nonsensical sentences written by frustrated men centuries and centuries ago.

[caleb-debates]

What is logic to you?

The Bible contains events that can only be explained in the supernatural. But that has nothing to do with logic. If you rule out the supernatural at the outset then you have arbitrarily set conditions on the Bible based on your own opinion. Yes, the supernatural violates the laws of nature, but that is what it means to be supernatural by definition. God is a supernatural personal being who created nature and its' laws. He stands above them. He can do things outside of them. He suspend them. There is nothing illogical about that.

Furthermore I believe in the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and claim their writings to be divine rather then human in origin.

[caleb-debates]

I can’t stop smiling today! Praise God for every moment we’re able to rejoice in his name! Our lives are truly changed by what he has done for us!

Colossians 1:9-14 !

[caleb-debates]

You really pulled the wool over my eyes, huh? Can’t believe all that time behind my back, behind our friendship, you were pulling inane stunts like with that couple. You even had the audacity to make it sound like you were the fucking victim the whole time. Here I fucking thought, that the one trans lesbian I found on this mogai-filled hellsite, a minor I could at least be supportive of in a way I didn’t really have, was a genuine person. You ruined yourself with the choices you’ve made.

It really wasn’t behind your back, sorry you feel that way. I genuinely thought I was a transgirl. I had doubts in the back of my mind and all this and that but I pushed it away. So really no, I was what you believed me to be.

But I changed. And the same day I changed, I left Discord, I left everything. And I left tumblr before I got saved so leaving tumblr originally had nothing to do with this.

But, in saying that. Yes I changed, but I haven’t had contact with anyone since. So that’s also a no.

And I’m going to openly say this that I didn’t ruin myself with this change, I ruined myself by indulging the idea that I was a girl, that I was bisexual. I ruined myself by denying the very God we all know exists. But then I was redeemed by a savior that gave up his life for me. In that instant on that cross Christ thought about every single sin that I have committed. That everyone has committed. He thought about me, he thought about you. Dwell on that dude!

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

Also, I am wondering what translation of the Bible you are using. Are you reading it in these “original languages” or in English?

[caleb-debates]

That’s irrelevant because they are all translated from the same source.

[radical-tactical]

If you’re reading a Christian translation, it is vastly, vastly different from what the original text says, at least in what you would refer to as the “Old Testament”. Or is it too difficult for you to imagine that Christian translators make these translations with an inherent bias?

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry you must not be reading me correctly. These translations go back to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. Nothing gets lost in translation because they do not simply go back to the next oldest translation and go off of that. They go back to the manuscripts themselves.

And furthermore everything is made with a bias. It’s called a presupposition. A pre-belief in simpler terms. Everything we’re talking about, everything we study. We go into it with a pre-belief in something. I go into it with a pre-belief in God. You on the other hand don’t

Same goes for things such as the evolution theory. That entire thing is centered around the pre-belief that there is no God. So no, personal bias is irrelevant to this because we all have it. I am not trying to prove the Bible to you as it proves itself. I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. They are both more then capable of defending themselves.

[radical-tactical]

I think you are forgetting that, at least, the Hebrew Bible still exists in its original language, and there are translations that aim to lose as little of the original meaning of each word as possible. Popular Christian translations do not fall into this category. If you read The Jerusalem Bible, published by Koren in the 1950s, you’d see that the translation is vastly different from any mainstream Christian iteration. One thing that may shake your worldview however, is the complete lack of this “Jesus” dude.

[caleb-debates]

First and foremost mansplaining is the dumbest term on the planet. It’s hilarious to me how a simple debate turns into a term like that because of my sex. Ironic isn’t it?

Secondly, this Jerusalem Bible was published in the 1950s? Ok, cool. Now we have the original Bible written on 3 different continents, Asia, Europe, and Africa. In 3 different languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek with a bit of Aramaic. Written by over 40 authors from multiple different walks of life (I.e. Kings, Physicians, Historians, Fishermen, etc.). Written over a period of 1,500 years. And all of these novels tie together. Such as how the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John tell the same story from different perspectives. Furthermore there were at least 301 eyewitnesses to the resurrection who were ALIVE when 1 Corinthians was written. There have been more then 25,000 archaeological digs related directly to the subject matter of the Bible. Not 1 of them has contradicted anything in the Bible. The overwhelming majority have actually affirmed and confirmed the things we find in the Bible. 301 eyewitnesses means the message of the Bible was falsifiable. If something isn’t falsifiable then it isn’t a strong claim. We have over 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts of the New Testament dating back to A.D. 100 - A.D. 120. Which is within a couple of decades of the completion of the New Testament. Whereas we have less then a dozen manuscripts of Aristotles poetics. Earliest of which were written over a thousand years AFTER the original writing. Among other examples. Showing in part the divine intervention that has caused this vast number of items to be preserved for so long.

Furthermore if we look at the supposed Monks theory during the time of Constantine who supposedly were going to go back and change the New Testament. They would have to find 6,000 Greek manuscripts and portions of manuscripts and change them all the exact same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. For the first couple of centuries the New Testament was translated into Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. So these Monks would then have to learn how to lie In Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. As well as in Greek. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. Furthermore the Early Church Fathers had a habit of quoting the New Testament in their writings. So much so that if we put together all of these, we would be able to reproduce the New Testament all but 11 verses. So these Monks would have to find 6,000 manuscripts, all the translations in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin, as well as the Early Church Fathers writings. And make sure they were all changed EXACTLY the same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did.

Lastly. The Old Testament is filled with prophecies. Isaiah 53 specifically was written 700 years before Jesus was born and prophesied that Jesus would be born and that he would be the suffering servant. Psalm 22 specifically Prophecies Christ’s crucifixion. It was written 1,000 years before Christ’s birth and by someone who had NEVER seen a crucifixion as it had not yet been invented. What would happen if someone were to quote the first line of a song to you? You would probably think about the next line yea? On the Cross Christ quotes the first line “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me”. Causing us to think about the rest of Psalm 22 which clearly shows in explicit detail Christ.

[radical-tactical]

That’s a whole lot of nothing you just said there that has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything I said. Anyway, there is absolutely nothing in the Tanakh that alludes to this “Jesus” figure, and whatever you’re reading that supposedly suggests that Jesus is the mashiach is just confirmation bias or bad translation.

[caleb-debates]

It is a whole lot of evidence that has everything to do with what you said.

So; how do you know that to be true? The Bible is supposedly false right?

[radical-tactical]

Idk why you’re assuming everyone arguing with you isn’t religious lmao. I’m just not Christian. I am willing to respect Christians’ beliefs but if they don’t respect mine I am obviously going to counter all their “arguments” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[caleb-debates]

I never said you weren’t religious. I’m asking you a question based on your statement. And it isn’t a matter of respect. I respect you as a person. However I don’t agree with your beliefs nor will I indulge it, there is a difference.

You said that whatever I am reading that suggests that Jesus is the Messiah is wrong. So how do you know that to be true? Seeing as I am getting this from the Bible itself.

[radical-tactical]

Because I’ve read Isaiah and Tehilim/Psalms, and what the text is referring to is the nation Israel, not this “Jesus” figure. You’re allowed to interpret the text differently but the proselytization is out of hand.

[caleb-debates]

The Bible is a book that requires you to read more than just a few parts. Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 specifically prophecize Christ clearly. All you have to do to figure that out is read the rest of the Bible. And those are just 2 examples out of many.

There are plenty of pieces that do refer to Israel in specific such as the dietary laws. Which many people use to now say they don’t wanna believe because they don’t wanna be underneath all these rules about clothing and food and etc. But those laws in specific were placed specifically for Israel at that point in time and were later nullified through Christ.

[mandi-is-a-lesbian]

Hey everyone! So.. This is me! Im a trans lesbian. This is more than just a face reveal. Its a reminder to all trans women that. We matter. Some people may say otherwise but its far from true!!! We’re women just as much as they are! Sure we weren’t born that way but we didn’t get to choose that? So who gives a fuck! Were women and we should stand proud to be able to say were ourselves. To all my fellow trans lesbians. You are real lesbians. You like women! You find them pretty and cute. Whether its the soft curves or the long hair, or smooth legs! Its what you like! Even the butch women! With toned muscles or hairy legs! Whether its the narrow face and small nose bridge or the small shoulders you like girls! That’s sooo valid!! So go find yourself the right girl and live life with her!!! Do what you’ve always wanted!! Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t a real lesbian. Because you are! To all the bisexual trans women. You matter too. You are a real bisexual woman. You like who you wanna like. Men? Women? You like them both! Youre just as valid as anyone else because you rock!! You go get yourself a nice boyfriend or a nice girlfriend and live life with them. Do all the fun things you’ve always imagined doing with your partner. To all the straight trans women. You matter as much as the other trans women. You like guys. You find them handsome and attractive. Whether its the facial hair, or the muscle mass, or just the way theyre built. Jaw line, nose bridge, whatever. You like those men. Even the more feminine men!! Who like to shave or wear more feminine clothing!! Theyre just as cool!! So go rock it girl!! Find yourself a nice man and live your life with him!! Do what you’ve always dreamed of doing!

[hello-homosexuals-blog]

Transwomen? Valid.

[caleb-debates]

I am going to openly admit that this used to be me, for anyone who wants to know where I come from.

I’m a 16 year old with Bipolar II, Anxiety, and plenty of problems. I used to believe that I was a transgirl, supportive of lgbt stuff, and so on so forth.

But ultimately through it all I struggled, I could not let go of the idea that I was wrong. That I knew of something else to be the truth. I tried religion a couple times, but In the end worshipped what I thought was God but was actually my own idols.

On September 14th, 2019. A few days after my Birthday. I came to the reality of what I knew to be true. And I was saved by Christ. I left discord, I left LGBT groups. And I began to proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

Many of you probably won’t believe this, I don’t expect you too. But ultimately it’s the truth.

I’m now starting a debate blog centered on a foundation of Christ. As he is the building block and cornerstone of our lives.

All are welcome to follow me and debate with me. And I will not force my beliefs on anyone. But I will debate and proclaim the truth, until I get kicked off this site.

[millennialgenderabolitionist]

How I am not surprised that a male who called himself a lesbian now proclaims his love for Jesus Christ and how much religion is the only path and how much gay ppl shouldn’t indulge in their feelings (see his other comments). As someone who think religions function so well with so many people because they fill the void in their mind caused by their fear of life and death, I gotta laugh. You did one thing good : to stop seeing yourself as what you will never be, a woman and specifically a lesbian. Males can never be that, by definition. The rest is laughable, religions continue to eat brains and to kill critical thinking in the same way, but it seems to just be a continuation here as this guy used to not see reality clearly and now doesn’t see it clearly either but in a very different way.

[caleb-debates]

I’ll have to disagree with you on the majority of that. I’d make the argument that I think more critically and logically then I ever have. And In general I’m someone who thinks a lot. The Bible is filled with logic and critical thinking.

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

Also, I am wondering what translation of the Bible you are using. Are you reading it in these “original languages” or in English?

[caleb-debates]

That’s irrelevant because they are all translated from the same source.

[radical-tactical]

If you’re reading a Christian translation, it is vastly, vastly different from what the original text says, at least in what you would refer to as the “Old Testament”. Or is it too difficult for you to imagine that Christian translators make these translations with an inherent bias?

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry you must not be reading me correctly. These translations go back to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. Nothing gets lost in translation because they do not simply go back to the next oldest translation and go off of that. They go back to the manuscripts themselves.

And furthermore everything is made with a bias. It’s called a presupposition. A pre-belief in simpler terms. Everything we’re talking about, everything we study. We go into it with a pre-belief in something. I go into it with a pre-belief in God. You on the other hand don’t

Same goes for things such as the evolution theory. That entire thing is centered around the pre-belief that there is no God. So no, personal bias is irrelevant to this because we all have it. I am not trying to prove the Bible to you as it proves itself. I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. They are both more then capable of defending themselves.

[radical-tactical]

I think you are forgetting that, at least, the Hebrew Bible still exists in its original language, and there are translations that aim to lose as little of the original meaning of each word as possible. Popular Christian translations do not fall into this category. If you read The Jerusalem Bible, published by Koren in the 1950s, you’d see that the translation is vastly different from any mainstream Christian iteration. One thing that may shake your worldview however, is the complete lack of this “Jesus” dude.

[caleb-debates]

First and foremost mansplaining is the dumbest term on the planet. It’s hilarious to me how a simple debate turns into a term like that because of my sex. Ironic isn’t it?

Secondly, this Jerusalem Bible was published in the 1950s? Ok, cool. Now we have the original Bible written on 3 different continents, Asia, Europe, and Africa. In 3 different languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek with a bit of Aramaic. Written by over 40 authors from multiple different walks of life (I.e. Kings, Physicians, Historians, Fishermen, etc.). Written over a period of 1,500 years. And all of these novels tie together. Such as how the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John tell the same story from different perspectives. Furthermore there were at least 301 eyewitnesses to the resurrection who were ALIVE when 1 Corinthians was written. There have been more then 25,000 archaeological digs related directly to the subject matter of the Bible. Not 1 of them has contradicted anything in the Bible. The overwhelming majority have actually affirmed and confirmed the things we find in the Bible. 301 eyewitnesses means the message of the Bible was falsifiable. If something isn’t falsifiable then it isn’t a strong claim. We have over 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts of the New Testament dating back to A.D. 100 - A.D. 120. Which is within a couple of decades of the completion of the New Testament. Whereas we have less then a dozen manuscripts of Aristotles poetics. Earliest of which were written over a thousand years AFTER the original writing. Among other examples. Showing in part the divine intervention that has caused this vast number of items to be preserved for so long.

Furthermore if we look at the supposed Monks theory during the time of Constantine who supposedly were going to go back and change the New Testament. They would have to find 6,000 Greek manuscripts and portions of manuscripts and change them all the exact same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. For the first couple of centuries the New Testament was translated into Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. So these Monks would then have to learn how to lie In Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. As well as in Greek. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. Furthermore the Early Church Fathers had a habit of quoting the New Testament in their writings. So much so that if we put together all of these, we would be able to reproduce the New Testament all but 11 verses. So these Monks would have to find 6,000 manuscripts, all the translations in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin, as well as the Early Church Fathers writings. And make sure they were all changed EXACTLY the same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did.

Lastly. The Old Testament is filled with prophecies. Isaiah 53 specifically was written 700 years before Jesus was born and prophesied that Jesus would be born and that he would be the suffering servant. Psalm 22 specifically Prophecies Christ’s crucifixion. It was written 1,000 years before Christ’s birth and by someone who had NEVER seen a crucifixion as it had not yet been invented. What would happen if someone were to quote the first line of a song to you? You would probably think about the next line yea? On the Cross Christ quotes the first line “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me”. Causing us to think about the rest of Psalm 22 which clearly shows in explicit detail Christ.

[radical-tactical]

That’s a whole lot of nothing you just said there that has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything I said. Anyway, there is absolutely nothing in the Tanakh that alludes to this “Jesus” figure, and whatever you’re reading that supposedly suggests that Jesus is the mashiach is just confirmation bias or bad translation.

[caleb-debates]

It is a whole lot of evidence that has everything to do with what you said.

So; how do you know that to be true? The Bible is supposedly false right?

[radical-tactical]

Idk why you’re assuming everyone arguing with you isn’t religious lmao. I’m just not Christian. I am willing to respect Christians’ beliefs but if they don’t respect mine I am obviously going to counter all their “arguments” ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[caleb-debates]

I never said you weren’t religious. I’m asking you a question based on your statement. And it isn’t a matter of respect. I respect you as a person. However I don’t agree with your beliefs nor will I indulge it, there is a difference.

You said that whatever I am reading that suggests that Jesus is the Messiah is wrong. So how do you know that to be true? Seeing as I am getting this from the Bible itself.

[mandi-is-a-lesbian]

Hey everyone! So.. This is me! Im a trans lesbian. This is more than just a face reveal. Its a reminder to all trans women that. We matter. Some people may say otherwise but its far from true!!! We’re women just as much as they are! Sure we weren’t born that way but we didn’t get to choose that? So who gives a fuck! Were women and we should stand proud to be able to say were ourselves. To all my fellow trans lesbians. You are real lesbians. You like women! You find them pretty and cute. Whether its the soft curves or the long hair, or smooth legs! Its what you like! Even the butch women! With toned muscles or hairy legs! Whether its the narrow face and small nose bridge or the small shoulders you like girls! That’s sooo valid!! So go find yourself the right girl and live life with her!!! Do what you’ve always wanted!! Don’t let anyone tell you, you aren’t a real lesbian. Because you are! To all the bisexual trans women. You matter too. You are a real bisexual woman. You like who you wanna like. Men? Women? You like them both! Youre just as valid as anyone else because you rock!! You go get yourself a nice boyfriend or a nice girlfriend and live life with them. Do all the fun things you’ve always imagined doing with your partner. To all the straight trans women. You matter as much as the other trans women. You like guys. You find them handsome and attractive. Whether its the facial hair, or the muscle mass, or just the way theyre built. Jaw line, nose bridge, whatever. You like those men. Even the more feminine men!! Who like to shave or wear more feminine clothing!! Theyre just as cool!! So go rock it girl!! Find yourself a nice man and live your life with him!! Do what you’ve always dreamed of doing!

[hello-homosexuals-blog]

Transwomen? Valid.

[caleb-debates]

I am going to openly admit that this used to be me, for anyone who wants to know where I come from.

I’m a 16 year old with Bipolar II, Anxiety, and plenty of problems. I used to believe that I was a transgirl, supportive of lgbt stuff, and so on so forth.

But ultimately through it all I struggled, I could not let go of the idea that I was wrong. That I knew of something else to be the truth. I tried religion a couple times, but In the end worshipped what I thought was God but was actually my own idols.

On September 14th, 2019. A few days after my Birthday. I came to the reality of what I knew to be true. And I was saved by Christ. I left discord, I left LGBT groups. And I began to proclaim the Gospel of Christ.

Many of you probably won’t believe this, I don’t expect you too. But ultimately it’s the truth.

I’m now starting a debate blog centered on a foundation of Christ. As he is the building block and cornerstone of our lives.

All are welcome to follow me and debate with me. And I will not force my beliefs on anyone. But I will debate and proclaim the truth, until I get kicked off this site.

[mogai-kin]

is this for real?

[caleb-debates]

Yes.

[radical-tactical]

So do you hate gay people now or

[caleb-debates]

There is a difference between hating people and not indulging your feelings.

I accept y’all as people but I will not indulge those feelings.

If that is considered to be hate by you then you should change your definition.

[radical-tactical]

Glad you believe gay people are people. But you do support legislation that makes life harder for gay people right? The same things that cause gay kids to be suicidal and depressed… that’s no better than actively hating us tbh.

[caleb-debates]

If you’re depressed and or suicidal over sexual desires, then you really need to re-evaluate what you’re focused on.

[radical-tactical]

I mean being gay is about more than just sex but ok dude, keep on being a fundie Christian lmao you’re not gonna be taken seriously anyway.

[caleb-debates]

I never said it was all about sex but in its core it is a sexual desire. Who are you as a person? If you, Eliminate sex entirely. Meaning no parts, no traits, nothing. Who are you?

And as a side note, it also had nothing to do with conversion therapy. I also left discord right after getting saved so that other # is false.

[sailortroon1]

“Who are you as a person? If you, Eliminate sex entirely. Meaning no parts, no traits, nothing. Who are you?” You really thought you had something there, huh. Humanity has so much more depth to it than this. What, if someone grows a rose garden because the smell and the beauty makes them happy and they want to devote their time to creating something lovely, is this nothing? Friendship, is it nothing? Music, art, literature, arhitecture, all human products, worthless? We are more than reproductive machines, we feel and we think and we create. Most people have hobbies or passions that allow them to be people outside of sex.

[caleb-debates]

Yes… and that’s what I asked. Who are you outside of sex?

[sailortroon1]

Yes because you act as is The Gays don’t do all of this and are instead just always only thinking about wanting to have sex all the time as if they don’t have their own lives but just wish there were someone else with whomst they could share it

[caleb-debates]

You’re putting words in my mouth. I asked a simple question that has yet to be answered.

[alexvalder]

“Don’t think about sex and think about yourself as outside of it” is all good etc. until it’s used to tell specifically gay people to go celibate or to tell trans people to stay as their birth gender and never transition even if this makes their lives better. Every (or most every) person has more about them then sexual/romantic attraction. Gay people in general have as much of these attractions as straight people, but it’s always about calling specifically gay people sinful, perverted and sex-obssesed, putting taboo and shame on all same-sex/gender love while letting some forms of opposite-sex/gender love exist in a acceptable way and pushing gay people into relationships with opposite sex/gender. No doubt that people see exactly this meaning coming from a Christian who “doesn’t indulge gay people’s feelings”.

About “what are you with no sex/gender”. Me, personally? I like math, I love my friends, I love manga/anime, basically I’m my interests and my feelings to people around me. Just like literally every other person in this world, gay, straight or asexual.

[caleb-debates]

The problem with that, is that it’s all feelings. And again feelings are not reliable. For a short answer.

And to add, it isn’t about telling you what not to do. It’s pointing out that out of all of those things that make up you. You choose to identify with the sexual aspect. But why? If you again eliminate anything remotely close to sex. What is your identity in? Who are you? And furthermore how do you know your feelings are the truth?

[sailortroon1]

homie don’t be complaining about people putting words in your mouth when you’re making a lot of assumptions in your statements

“It’s pointing out that out of all of those things that make up you. You choose to identify with the sexual aspect. But why? If you again eliminate anything remotely close to sex. What is your identity in? Who are you? And furthermore how do you know your feelings are the truth?”

This statement/series of questions only makes sense from the assumption that one only identifies with the sexual aspect of oneself. Why else would you ask it? (If you aren’t making that assumption, then you need to make your point with a lot more clarity.)

And don’t tell me you don’t know “why” someone would apply importance to their identity as homosexual, bisexual, and/or transsexual. Basic social psychology will teach you that one feels one’s in-group indeification more strongly the stronger the conflict faced from the out-group is. Straight people don’t feel a need to place importance upon their heterosexual identity because their in-group does face prejudice. A gay or bisexual person feels their identity more strongly because they feel how it is viewed by the broader societal outgroup as wrong, even to the point where they may face violence.

Moreover, the aspects of one’s identity which one finds important will vary based upon the situation. When I’m sitting in my room trying to learn a song on the guitar, whether or not I’m An Ell Gee Bee Tea isn’t important to me. The part of me that appreciates music is. When I move through society, when I feel interest in people, when I’m trying to make friends who will accept me, then it’s different, becuase it’s something that I, as an “other”, have to worry about.

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry but you’re only proving my point. It’s all feelings.

[sailortroon1]

And? Humans are emotional creatures.

RIP to people who think that people should be emotionless and cold and not care about things that make them feel but I’m different.

Repression only makes things worse UwU

[caleb-debates]

I never said people should be emotionless and cold. I’m quite emotional myself. That wasn’t the point. The point is that feelings are not reliable nor are they trustworthy. That being the case, how do you know your feelings are the truth?

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

Also, I am wondering what translation of the Bible you are using. Are you reading it in these “original languages” or in English?

[caleb-debates]

That’s irrelevant because they are all translated from the same source.

[radical-tactical]

If you’re reading a Christian translation, it is vastly, vastly different from what the original text says, at least in what you would refer to as the “Old Testament”. Or is it too difficult for you to imagine that Christian translators make these translations with an inherent bias?

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry you must not be reading me correctly. These translations go back to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. Nothing gets lost in translation because they do not simply go back to the next oldest translation and go off of that. They go back to the manuscripts themselves.

And furthermore everything is made with a bias. It’s called a presupposition. A pre-belief in simpler terms. Everything we’re talking about, everything we study. We go into it with a pre-belief in something. I go into it with a pre-belief in God. You on the other hand don’t

Same goes for things such as the evolution theory. That entire thing is centered around the pre-belief that there is no God. So no, personal bias is irrelevant to this because we all have it. I am not trying to prove the Bible to you as it proves itself. I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. They are both more then capable of defending themselves.

[radical-tactical]

I think you are forgetting that, at least, the Hebrew Bible still exists in its original language, and there are translations that aim to lose as little of the original meaning of each word as possible. Popular Christian translations do not fall into this category. If you read The Jerusalem Bible, published by Koren in the 1950s, you’d see that the translation is vastly different from any mainstream Christian iteration. One thing that may shake your worldview however, is the complete lack of this “Jesus” dude.

[caleb-debates]

First and foremost mansplaining is the dumbest term on the planet. It’s hilarious to me how a simple debate turns into a term like that because of my sex. Ironic isn’t it?

Secondly, this Jerusalem Bible was published in the 1950s? Ok, cool. Now we have the original Bible written on 3 different continents, Asia, Europe, and Africa. In 3 different languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek with a bit of Aramaic. Written by over 40 authors from multiple different walks of life (I.e. Kings, Physicians, Historians, Fishermen, etc.). Written over a period of 1,500 years. And all of these novels tie together. Such as how the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John tell the same story from different perspectives. Furthermore there were at least 301 eyewitnesses to the resurrection who were ALIVE when 1 Corinthians was written. There have been more then 25,000 archaeological digs related directly to the subject matter of the Bible. Not 1 of them has contradicted anything in the Bible. The overwhelming majority have actually affirmed and confirmed the things we find in the Bible. 301 eyewitnesses means the message of the Bible was falsifiable. If something isn’t falsifiable then it isn’t a strong claim. We have over 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts of the New Testament dating back to A.D. 100 - A.D. 120. Which is within a couple of decades of the completion of the New Testament. Whereas we have less then a dozen manuscripts of Aristotles poetics. Earliest of which were written over a thousand years AFTER the original writing. Among other examples. Showing in part the divine intervention that has caused this vast number of items to be preserved for so long.

Furthermore if we look at the supposed Monks theory during the time of Constantine who supposedly were going to go back and change the New Testament. They would have to find 6,000 Greek manuscripts and portions of manuscripts and change them all the exact same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. For the first couple of centuries the New Testament was translated into Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. So these Monks would then have to learn how to lie In Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. As well as in Greek. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. Furthermore the Early Church Fathers had a habit of quoting the New Testament in their writings. So much so that if we put together all of these, we would be able to reproduce the New Testament all but 11 verses. So these Monks would have to find 6,000 manuscripts, all the translations in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin, as well as the Early Church Fathers writings. And make sure they were all changed EXACTLY the same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did.

Lastly. The Old Testament is filled with prophecies. Isaiah 53 specifically was written 700 years before Jesus was born and prophesied that Jesus would be born and that he would be the suffering servant. Psalm 22 specifically Prophecies Christ’s crucifixion. It was written 1,000 years before Christ’s birth and by someone who had NEVER seen a crucifixion as it had not yet been invented. What would happen if someone were to quote the first line of a song to you? You would probably think about the next line yea? On the Cross Christ quotes the first line “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me”. Causing us to think about the rest of Psalm 22 which clearly shows in explicit detail Christ.

[radical-tactical]

That’s a whole lot of nothing you just said there that has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything I said. Anyway, there is absolutely nothing in the Tanakh that alludes to this “Jesus” figure, and whatever you’re reading that supposedly suggests that Jesus is the mashiach is just confirmation bias or bad translation.

[caleb-debates]

It is a whole lot of evidence that has everything to do with what you said.

So; how do you know that to be true? The Bible is supposedly false right?

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

Also, I am wondering what translation of the Bible you are using. Are you reading it in these “original languages” or in English?

[caleb-debates]

That’s irrelevant because they are all translated from the same source.

[radical-tactical]

If you’re reading a Christian translation, it is vastly, vastly different from what the original text says, at least in what you would refer to as the “Old Testament”. Or is it too difficult for you to imagine that Christian translators make these translations with an inherent bias?

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry you must not be reading me correctly. These translations go back to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. Nothing gets lost in translation because they do not simply go back to the next oldest translation and go off of that. They go back to the manuscripts themselves.

And furthermore everything is made with a bias. It’s called a presupposition. A pre-belief in simpler terms. Everything we’re talking about, everything we study. We go into it with a pre-belief in something. I go into it with a pre-belief in God. You on the other hand don’t

Same goes for things such as the evolution theory. That entire thing is centered around the pre-belief that there is no God. So no, personal bias is irrelevant to this because we all have it. I am not trying to prove the Bible to you as it proves itself. I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. They are both more then capable of defending themselves.

[radical-tactical]

I think you are forgetting that, at least, the Hebrew Bible still exists in its original language, and there are translations that aim to lose as little of the original meaning of each word as possible. Popular Christian translations do not fall into this category. If you read The Jerusalem Bible, published by Koren in the 1950s, you’d see that the translation is vastly different from any mainstream Christian iteration. One thing that may shake your worldview however, is the complete lack of this “Jesus” dude.

[caleb-debates]

First and foremost mansplaining is the dumbest term on the planet. It’s hilarious to me how a simple debate turns into a term like that because of my sex. Ironic isn’t it?

Secondly, this Jerusalem Bible was published in the 1950s? Ok, cool. Now we have the original Bible written on 3 different continents, Asia, Europe, and Africa. In 3 different languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek with a bit of Aramaic. Written by over 40 authors from multiple different walks of life (I.e. Kings, Physicians, Historians, Fishermen, etc.). Written over a period of 1,500 years. And all of these novels tie together. Such as how the 4 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John tell the same story from different perspectives. Furthermore there were at least 301 eyewitnesses to the resurrection who were ALIVE when 1 Corinthians was written. There have been more then 25,000 archaeological digs related directly to the subject matter of the Bible. Not 1 of them has contradicted anything in the Bible. The overwhelming majority have actually affirmed and confirmed the things we find in the Bible. 301 eyewitnesses means the message of the Bible was falsifiable. If something isn’t falsifiable then it isn’t a strong claim. We have over 6,000 manuscripts or portions of manuscripts of the New Testament dating back to A.D. 100 - A.D. 120. Which is within a couple of decades of the completion of the New Testament. Whereas we have less then a dozen manuscripts of Aristotles poetics. Earliest of which were written over a thousand years AFTER the original writing. Among other examples. Showing in part the divine intervention that has caused this vast number of items to be preserved for so long.

Furthermore if we look at the supposed Monks theory during the time of Constantine who supposedly were going to go back and change the New Testament. They would have to find 6,000 Greek manuscripts and portions of manuscripts and change them all the exact same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. For the first couple of centuries the New Testament was translated into Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. So these Monks would then have to learn how to lie In Syriac, Coptic, and Latin. As well as in Greek. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did. Furthermore the Early Church Fathers had a habit of quoting the New Testament in their writings. So much so that if we put together all of these, we would be able to reproduce the New Testament all but 11 verses. So these Monks would have to find 6,000 manuscripts, all the translations in Syriac, Coptic, and Latin, as well as the Early Church Fathers writings. And make sure they were all changed EXACTLY the same way. Without showing ink work, getting caught, or telling anybody what they did.

Lastly. The Old Testament is filled with prophecies. Isaiah 53 specifically was written 700 years before Jesus was born and prophesied that Jesus would be born and that he would be the suffering servant. Psalm 22 specifically Prophecies Christ’s crucifixion. It was written 1,000 years before Christ’s birth and by someone who had NEVER seen a crucifixion as it had not yet been invented. What would happen if someone were to quote the first line of a song to you? You would probably think about the next line yea? On the Cross Christ quotes the first line “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me”. Causing us to think about the rest of Psalm 22 which clearly shows in explicit detail Christ.

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

How are you so sure that the deity that you worship is a man? Doesn’t this deity transcend gender?

[caleb-debates]

Because the Bible refers to God as he, and him many times..

You’re more then welcome to read it.

[radical-tactical]

What else were they supposed to call Him? “Gender neutral pronouns” didn’t exist in biblical times, and Hebrew is very much a gendered language. How can you have a gender if you don’t have a body? And what about those times He was attributed with the characteristic of “motherliness”? And the fact both men and women were created in his image?

[caleb-debates]

It’s not a matter of what they wanted to call him. The Bible is God’s literal word. Spoken through men. If the Bible refers to God as a he then it is God himself referring to himself in that way.

The Bible is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and they claim their writings to be divine rather then human in origin.

[radical-tactical]

Even if it’s G-d’s literal word, as you say, it was written in a human language. Human language has restrictions. How can you describe something that transcends language accurately?

Also, not sure about the Christian-specific texts, but the five Books of Moses (Torah/Pentateuch) were specifically given at Mount Sinai.

[caleb-debates]

The problem with that statement is that God has no restrictions or bounds. Everything that was created was created the way he wanted it to be, to fulfill his plan. There is no problems with the English translations for that reason.

[caleb-debates]

So why do you think the Christian god is a god worth following? He created everything, which means he created evil and good and has allowed for evil to happen. He created free will, but really only the illusion of it. We can only pick choices that he's created. He allows the devil to exist and tempt people into evil when he could simply stop the devil from existence.

God created the Earth knowing we would sin, and he had a plan for salvation before creation.

If God were to wipe out the evil that results in things such as the hungering orphan, why would he stop there? If God wipes out all evil, that would Include our evil as well.

But ultimately there will come a time when God will wipe out every evil. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you prepared to face that?

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

He created us capable of sinning and thus created the sinning. Why create a remedy for a problem when creating the problem was never necessary in the first place?

He could wipe away the evil, that doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy or kill us. He could, if he's all powerful, simply stop us from committing evil. Make evil acts no longer a playable choice. Ir make what we consider evil not evil.

So if he's going to wipe out evil anyway why did he create it in the first place?

[caleb-debates]

To Bring Glory to Himself.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Well that's very egotistical and selfish.

So why worship someone who only thinks of himself? You might as well worship the Greek or Roman gods who were the exact same way.

[caleb-debates]

Think of the most glorious thing that you could possibly think of, and then realize that that is nothing compared to God. So God demands our worship and our Glory of him because he truly is the most glorious thing.

It’s not out of Gods lack of self esteem, or out of selfishness that he demands worship but because it is the rightful thing and it is out of his abundance. It is our privilege to worship and Glorify him.

Think of a great king, that does right by his people. And In His kingdom there is the worst of criminals. If that criminal is in the presence of the King should he not honor and respect the king? That example is grasping at a truth that is significantly larger and nowhere near paints the picture of what it should be. But that is what it is like when it comes to God and why we should glorify him. We are mere criminals, and he is right and glorious. It is the right thing to do.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

Who gets to decide that this is the rightful thing? The person who benefits? How convenient 🤔

Also this sounds a lot like slavery. A great king wouldn't allow suffering if it was within his control, otherwise he is not a great king. We're only criminals because god allows there to be crime.

[caleb-debates]

Who gets to decide that LGBT feelings are the rightful thing? Who gets to decide abortion is the rightful thing? Who gets to decide any of this? Humans.

Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God. There is a vast difference.

And it is slavery. Prior to our salvation we are enslaved to sin. And God allows there to be sin because he has a much bigger plan in place. Which included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Whom died on the cross for us. Payed the penalty for OUR crimes, so that we can rejoice in knowing the Father. So that we can spend an eternity free of things of this world.

[jusdreiin-jusdaun]

"Who gets to decide that the Bible is truth? God."

No quite, that's humans again. That's why there are a million different versions of it and why it's open to interpretation.

Why worship someone who solves the problems he creates?

You're one step away from the "God works in mysterious ways" excuse. That's why you can't explain any of his actions. That's why religion is called faith. Its blindly believing what you've been told without critical or any thought at all.

Jesus died because his own father allowed him to, just as he allowed him to resurrect.

[caleb-debates]

There are no different versions. There are translations, which each go back to the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. So that nothing gets lost in translation.

[radical-tactical]

Also, I am wondering what translation of the Bible you are using. Are you reading it in these “original languages” or in English?

[caleb-debates]

That’s irrelevant because they are all translated from the same source.

[radical-tactical]

If you’re reading a Christian translation, it is vastly, vastly different from what the original text says, at least in what you would refer to as the “Old Testament”. Or is it too difficult for you to imagine that Christian translators make these translations with an inherent bias?

[caleb-debates]

I’m sorry you must not be reading me correctly. These translations go back to the Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic manuscripts themselves. Nothing gets lost in translation because they do not simply go back to the next oldest translation and go off of that. They go back to the manuscripts themselves.

And furthermore everything is made with a bias. It’s called a presupposition. A pre-belief in simpler terms. Everything we’re talking about, everything we study. We go into it with a pre-belief in something. I go into it with a pre-belief in God. You on the other hand don’t

Same goes for things such as the evolution theory. That entire thing is centered around the pre-belief that there is no God. So no, personal bias is irrelevant to this because we all have it. I am not trying to prove the Bible to you as it proves itself. I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. They are both more then capable of defending themselves.