Sucker

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Query, what is stopping you from acting at your preferred rate?

-Ash

a new batch of recruits came in today, and the sense of dread I felt when they didn’t even understand how to heatfall loop. That shit is supposed to be semester one basic training stuff, not the capstone class for lancer promotions. Coworker of mine suggested screaming into the void of the omninet would make me feel better, so here I am.

lancerdelta

Had to do a quick search to learn what heatfall looping even is, and maybe this is just a difference in training, but, correct me if I'm wrong, it feels pretty dependent on a mech built to go into the danger zone in the first place, which isn't something a lot of frames do in the first place.

The concept does seem simple enough, but is it something they'll need to know how to do? The closest thing I can equate to how I'm thinking about this is teaching a transport ship's chef how to fly said ship, if that makes sense?

Let me put it this way. You’re pretty on the money when it comes to ship pilots, but the chef part is plain stupid. It’s more like training a future pilot how to effectively pilot different ships, so that when they graduate they can effectively pilot whatever ship they want without issue. It would be kind of like IPS-N only teaching recruits how to pilot half of their fleet’s ship types.

//Sucker\\

Most of what benifits from a HFL are frames like the Genghis and Shermie, with most other frames not benifiting without significant investment into heat cap or loading weapons.

though the concept should be introduced early.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

I was heatfall looping a Gilgamesh for over a decade before I was forced to retire, so saying that it’s only useful on stuff like a Sherman is a riot of a joke if anyone actually tried to say it.

the point is it’s a very useful skill that can be applied to almost any Harrison Armory frame to great results.

//Sucker\\

Yeah. But the constant stabilizing isn't necessary without weapons that generate heat or need to be reloaded.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

you’re forgetting about the Genghis’s explosive vents, which makes the constant stabilizing viable with only a single license level. From there be my fucking guest and grab whatever loading weapon you want to justify it even further.

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//Sucker\\

Or, hear me out, you stab every so often while chaining OCs so that your doing more and only stabilizing when you need to. Allowing you do some bullshit.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

a new batch of recruits came in today, and the sense of dread I felt when they didn’t even understand how to heatfall loop. That shit is supposed to be semester one basic training stuff, not the capstone class for lancer promotions. Coworker of mine suggested screaming into the void of the omninet would make me feel better, so here I am.

lancerdelta

Had to do a quick search to learn what heatfall looping even is, and maybe this is just a difference in training, but, correct me if I'm wrong, it feels pretty dependent on a mech built to go into the danger zone in the first place, which isn't something a lot of frames do in the first place.

The concept does seem simple enough, but is it something they'll need to know how to do? The closest thing I can equate to how I'm thinking about this is teaching a transport ship's chef how to fly said ship, if that makes sense?

Let me put it this way. You’re pretty on the money when it comes to ship pilots, but the chef part is plain stupid. It’s more like training a future pilot how to effectively pilot different ships, so that when they graduate they can effectively pilot whatever ship they want without issue. It would be kind of like IPS-N only teaching recruits how to pilot half of their fleet’s ship types.

//Sucker\\

Most of what benifits from a HFL are frames like the Genghis and Shermie, with most other frames not benifiting without significant investment into heat cap or loading weapons.

though the concept should be introduced early.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

I was heatfall looping a Gilgamesh for over a decade before I was forced to retire, so saying that it’s only useful on stuff like a Sherman is a riot of a joke if anyone actually tried to say it.

the point is it’s a very useful skill that can be applied to almost any Harrison Armory frame to great results.

//Sucker\\

Yeah. But the constant stabilizing isn't necessary without weapons that generate heat or need to be reloaded.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

a new batch of recruits came in today, and the sense of dread I felt when they didn’t even understand how to heatfall loop. That shit is supposed to be semester one basic training stuff, not the capstone class for lancer promotions. Coworker of mine suggested screaming into the void of the omninet would make me feel better, so here I am.

lancerdelta

Had to do a quick search to learn what heatfall looping even is, and maybe this is just a difference in training, but, correct me if I'm wrong, it feels pretty dependent on a mech built to go into the danger zone in the first place, which isn't something a lot of frames do in the first place.

The concept does seem simple enough, but is it something they'll need to know how to do? The closest thing I can equate to how I'm thinking about this is teaching a transport ship's chef how to fly said ship, if that makes sense?

Let me put it this way. You’re pretty on the money when it comes to ship pilots, but the chef part is plain stupid. It’s more like training a future pilot how to effectively pilot different ships, so that when they graduate they can effectively pilot whatever ship they want without issue. It would be kind of like IPS-N only teaching recruits how to pilot half of their fleet’s ship types.

//Sucker\\

Most of what benifits from a HFL are frames like the Genghis and Shermie, with most other frames not benifiting without significant investment into heat cap or loading weapons.

though the concept should be introduced early.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

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//Sucker\\

doubt

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

quixote-ngc

Your callsign is literally "Sucker", so maybe they figured they'd have a shot?

//Sucker\\

That's because I'm shit at poker.

one bad day of poker got me that callsign.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

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//Sucker\\

doubt

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

dawn-will-break

Not to bring up a conversation you've clearly already finished, but if I may offer another perspective on the Caliban's worth aside from noncombat utility: It isn't just designed to kill, it is designed to do so quickly and thoroughly. It's a flash of a muzzle and done. It does not toy with it's victims, it does not rip the iron from their blood or pretend that there is grace and artistry in cleaving them in twain. It does not devour them molecule by molecule or shred them with plasma claws.

Death is always a tragedy, but there are far more agonizing and cruel ways to exit stage left.

Callsign: Colorado

...

Listen. I don't want to spend too long, so if this turns into a long conversation again I'm just gonna leave you hanging.

But I don't like that argument.

I've said it before, but can we really say something is OK just because there's something worse?

I'm certain you've seen much much worse than I have and hopefully ever will, but still.

i don't think we should celebrate the fact a Caliban leaves bloody stains on the walls in its wake.

monist-4

This world is gonna eat you alive little girl.

dawn-will-break

Fun fact!

WE DO NOT CARE about your opinion!

We don't care FOR YOUR OPINION.

Where did you even come from in the first place?

cmdr-noah-colorado-reed

First of all, wow, uncalled for, @monist-4

Second, I wasn't saying that it should be celebrated for that efficiency. It is the product of an entirely wrongheaded approach to the issue of boarding actions. I was more trying to offer a perspective that will make it easier to coexist with their pilots. Assuming they're not sadistic butcher types.

quixote-ngc

"Wrongheaded"?

And what exactly is the correct way to approach boarding actions?

neramontagueofficial

[IDENT:::OPHRYS]

With flowers and chocolates, based on what I've heard some say.

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//Sucker\\

War sucks. War should be avoided. War should be condemned.

But war arrives all the same.

Better a weapon that ends it quickly than one that causes unnecessary suffering.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

racing-heart-open-wings

...the young one has defeated me in "Total War: Karakis"...

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Yippe

-Ash

racing-heart-open-wings

I believe you had previously suggested we play a real time strategy or grand strategy game together.

-Ash

@callsign-sucker

...that...

...sounds delightful...

...forgive me if...

...I am more sluggish than usual young one...

...the last several weeks...

...have been unkind...

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then perhaps a game would be of assistance

-Ash

she-who-paints-with-fire

You know what? Shoutout to MREs. Yeah, they never taste as good as a proper meal. Yeah, they come in maybe twenty varieties maximum unless you're paying for SSC top-shelf. Yeah, you get sick of them real quick in a combat zone. And yeah, GMS isn't making gourmet meals. But these have helped me go from underweight to healthy by simply being enough calories and nutrients to not need to worry about that.

Shoutout to MREs for being the sledgehammer solution to my diet.

|| KARATEKA ||

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//Sucker\\

They don't have what you want, but they sure as hell have what you need.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

waffenfabrikzalewskioffical

Hello there!

Would you be interested in purchasing a mech form Waffenfabrik Zalewski for your needs in Defense?

//Sucker\\

Depends entirely on what you have and if they fit our needs.

As well as your comfort in giving broad rights to print as needed for an entire house company.

Given that we need to prepare for a potential invasion by Harrison Armory I hope these terms are understandable.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

Of course! Seeing that you are your planet is in such a predicament, We shall Omail you a free Frame Manufacturing file, complete with all systems. What Frame would best suit you in your war? What are you lacking on the battle feild?

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//Sucker\\

That is sensitive information. As well as what I will be purchasing.

I will be contacting you over more secure channels for any followups.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

Hello there!

Would you be interested in purchasing a mech form Waffenfabrik Zalewski for your needs in Defense?

//Sucker\\

Depends entirely on what you have and if they fit our needs.

As well as your comfort in giving broad rights to print as needed for an entire house company.

Given that we need to prepare for a potential invasion by Harrison Armory I hope these terms are understandable.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

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gorgonfuckerdotnet

what the fuck are you talking about??

the aun are supposed to be gracious with union about the TBK device that was PISTON-1 fired at them, that has still not been apologized for? are they supposed to be cool with Union building a fucking troop movement device at their contested border? we're fine with ThirdComm not making an attempt at normalizing relations or asking permission to build that blinkgate? nah, the aun "sat out human history" and then decided to attack unprovoked in some sort of crusade, damn any of the fucking context

btw the karrakins didn't join peacefully either, there were two fucking wars that they lost and decided to cut their losses because Union's opening salvo was also kinetics aimed directly at the capital planet, because SecComm only knows one way of saying hello to a Tenner I guess

>// Like I fucking said, Human Histories major >// ON KARRAKIS >// I'm SO aware the Karrakins weren't peaceful, and I know ALL ABOUT the "Concursus delenda est" wars with SecComm >// I want to reiterate I DON'T LIKE THAT SECCOMM USED WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ON THE AUN, AND NEVER ONCE DID I CLAIM THAT I DID >// I have absolutely no doubts that ThirdComm WOULD have sought out peaceful reparations for the first Distal War if THEY HAD THE CHANCE because, for all its flaws, THIRDCOMM WAS MADE TO UPHOLD THE FUCKING PILLARS AND HAS BEEN PAYING REPARATIONS TO THE HERCYNIANS FOR DAMN-NEAR COMMITTING SPECICIDE. >// Or did you forget that the Aun have been almost entirely impossible to reach for the past couple thousand years, being isolationist recluses on the furthest edges of the Union-charted galaxy? >// They have had no access to the blink and therefore no access to the omninet according to the Ecumene refugees, and Union has no access to the Aunic firmament >// SO WE HAVE HAD NO WAY OF CONTACTING EACH OTHER SINCE THEY CLOSED THEIR BORDERS MILLENNIA AGO. >// And calling a Blinkgate a "troop mover" is such obvious Aunic propaganda. They are practically the only means of transport for average people and shipping lanes to arrive with any speed to the majority of the diaspora. >// and not only that, >// BUT BLINK GATES ARE POPULATION CENTERS. >// CIVILIAN POPULATION CENTERS. >// Because even though I'm sure I'm arguing with either a malfunctioning COMP/CON or a contrarian (And I don't know which is worse), I'm sure you must know that blink gates are extremely expensive in time, manna, material, and manpower to upkeep. >// Each blink gate is a city, full of, yes, Union administrative personnel, but also their families. And the families of the workers on those blink gates. And the families of the people who supply those workers' families. And so on. >// You perform that you care about the Aunic lives lost in the past, but the Ascendancy in no uncertain terms massacred an entire population center of non-combatants and is proceeding to do the same to the rest of the diasporan and Ecumene populations of the Boundary Garden. >// Having a weapon of mass destruction used on you does not give you exemption from criticism for turning around and killing even more civilians. >// SecComm was not justified in mindless slaughter of those who can't fight back, and no matter what you say, the Aun aren't either. Because they didn't attack a military fortification that could have fought back, they attacked civilians. >// They attacked civilians after damn-near 2000 Union-years of absolute silence, giving Union no choice but to retaliate because AN ENTIRE CITY WAS JUST FUCKING VAPORIZED. >// This is not a justified war for the Aun, this is a crusade for purposes they refuse to share. So do not act like this is retaliation for the crimes SecComm committed, because you could not possibly know that, and even if you did, WE DON'T LIVE UNDER SECCOMM ANYMORE. >// Show up in my inbox again and you'll get only a really pretty memetic hazard in return.

//Sucker\\

You're like... 99% right.

The one tiny point I feel I need to be pedantic on is the point about Blink Gates.

They're mixed use infrastructure. Due to as you said being one of the only ways to move anything around Union space in a timely maner, they are valuable logistical tools.

This unfortunately has the consequence of making them powerful tools for military action. And the consequences of improving military logistics in the region must be considered during planning.

See: Beachead. The HA gate being built proximal to New Madrasa.

Absolutely it can be used by both HA and the KTB to make the Dawnline more accessible yes.

HA can also use it to drop their core fleet on our heads whenever they want once it's finished.

I do not disagree with your overall assessment of the problem. After all diplomacy is quite hard when you literally cannot speak with one another. And Thirdcom isn't seccom.

But Blinkgates are absolutely just as much military infrastructure as they are civilian infrastructure. And the Aun are justified in their concern over Boundary Garden being used as an invasion corridor. Because well... I'm staring down the same hypothetical barrel of the same hypothetical gun.

Unfortunately I do not know if there is a way to resolve this issue peacefully for Boundary Garden as there is for Beachead.

//For Cogito Ergo Sum\\

gorgonfuckerdotnet

>// I'm glad that you have some sense >// But the gates are military infrastructure in literally the same way that a road is military infrastructure. >// That "road" just so happened to have been next to a largely impassible border for a long time >// Union had no reason to garrison any military might there, and given the fact that it's destroyed now and was destroyed before they even realized what was happening, THEY DIDN'T! >// Because who the fuck would stretch their navy all the way to the ass-end of nowhere to cover a border that has shown no signs of activity in the last 2000 years when there are bigger and more pressing problems plaguing the galaxy like trying and failing to mediate the Dawnline Shore, or Cressidium >// Even if there was a small garrison presence there, it would not be enough to threaten an Aunic crusader ship that has the element of surprise, not even close. >// It was an unmitigated slaughter of thousands of civilians to limit Union's response time to a war they had no idea was about to start, with an enemy they'd long-since stopped fighting >// Even if the road had a soldier on it, that doesn't justify blowing up the entire city of civilians nearby to it just to "make sure you got him."