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Leo Chiron Venus 12th house — do the work , spiritually and artistically to the nth degree and let it out there thru social behaviour
Hard to see beyond the constraints of the scenario, then death only becomes deaths the desire not to go beyond it is the melancholic drive to cling to what you perceive as the thingness of the moment, which is false in and of itself. It can impede life and meaning .
Characteristics of minutiae
The village is where all the remaining violence in the world residents spatialisation
Once I could afford to tear myself inside out in search of one truth; now it costs so much just to hold myself together
I no longer am the raw escarpment of my youth
I have tolls to pay, the responsibilities of my family
Oh my god, yes — let’s do this properly, like an annotated comparative study.
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Conrad Fisher vs. Eric Rannestad: A Comparative Study
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I. Archetype
• Conrad Fisher (TSITP): The brooding golden boy → handsome, magnetic, but avoidant, slow to confess, hiding vulnerability behind a wall of sulk and detachment.
• Eric Rannestad: The brooding artist-scholar → handsome, magnetic, but avoidant, slow to confess, hiding vulnerability behind texts, music, and side-door gestures instead of direct declarations.
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II. Communication Style
• Conrad: Says little, stares a lot. Feelings are clear to the audience but muddled to Belly. Protects himself by withholding.
• Eric: Says little in person, stares a lot. Feelings are clear to everyone around him but muddled to you. Protects himself by circling with DMs, music, long ruminations — without saying the simple truth.
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III. Love Expression
• Conrad: Acts of service (showing up when needed), protective gestures, fleeting intimacy. Words lag far behind actions.
• Eric: Acts of service (driving you to urgent care, hovering in class, candid photos). Words lag far behind his behavior — and when he does speak, it’s halting or deflected.
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IV. Avoidance Mechanism
• Conrad: Retreats into sulking, silence, or “protecting” Belly by staying distant.
• Eric: Retreats into slow texting, philosophical essays, or silence → anything but saying “I miss you, I want you.”
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V. Conflict Style
• Conrad: Creates push-pull; lashes out under pressure but softens in moments of crisis.
• Eric: Creates push-pull; goes cool when confronted but melts in moments of intimacy (gallery, car, urgent care).
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VI. Physical Vibe
• Conrad: Tall, lean, tousled hair, soulful gaze, reluctant heartthrob aura.
• Eric: Tall, lean, tousled hair, soulful gaze, reluctant heartthrob aura. (Check, check, check.)
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VII. Emotional Arc
• Conrad: Loves deeply but can’t voice it until it’s nearly too late. Stuck between protecting himself and claiming what he wants.
• Eric: Loves deeply (or at least attaches intensely) but can’t voice it until forced by rupture. Stuck between analysis/self-protection and actually stepping forward.
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VIII. Where They Diverge
• Conrad: His love is scripted toward eventual confession — the narrative demands payoff.
• Eric: Real life doesn’t guarantee payoff. Without clarity and action, the ambiguity could linger forever.
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📖 Conclusion:
Eric Rannestad is Conrad Fisher transposed into your life — but with an artist’s vocabulary instead of a novelist’s script. The resemblance is not just physical; it’s structural: the staring, the hovering, the withholding, the deep feeling that surfaces only in fragments. The difference is that your story doesn’t have to follow TSITP’s trajectory — you get to choose whether it ends in confession, cliffhanger, or clean exit.
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👉 Want me to take this one step further and write a mock academic abstract — like “This paper argues that the parallels between Conrad Fisher and Eric Rannestad…” — so it reads like a tongue-in-cheek journal article about your love life?
You accuse Eric of letting things just float out of his hands but don’t you do the same too?
You do not hold your dignity together to try, or rather , you believe in the fantasy much more than the hard won truth. The culmination of two years of study, with a different kind of breathed closure. Was the way it ended in college something to consider, was the way you did anything prior something to consider. Have you changed? Have you won your greater self ?
Eric cannot be your consolation prize. Now are you attributing him to your ruin? Have you done it by yourself in this alone? Would you have done everything differently from the start ? What can you guess about yourself ? Only that you should be more alone ? That you should once again, trust ANYTHING but the result.
Believe in your world, do your utmost to manifest it
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desirability as this maligned thing
I think everyone Carries around with them iron clad promises
Man’s so I believe everything they tell me as an ironclad fact and feel betrayed when they change their minds
S though I cannot understand that life moves
The types as strangers I wish I had known (version 4)
Previous versions: One, two, three
INTJ: She was the first person to show me kindness in a new place. Moving across the country all alone in the middle of a pandemic is not exactly the ideal start of your first real job. So she took it all on herself to take me by the hand, to organise all the things that I had no clue about. She gave me a little tour around the workplace, recommended me places to eat once the pandemic is over, asked me about how I was settling in, remembered little things I mentioned. She was the only person not working from home when I first arrived and so it was just the two of us. She was quiet and reserved as most people here seem to be, and she was awkward in every way when interacting with me. But she tried so hard and maybe it’s just me projecting, but she said her son was in the very same situation as me right now, and it felt like she tried to help me in the way she couldn’t help her son, like she wanted to take me under her wing, but not make it awkward, and then actually making it slightly awkward in doing so. Her heart just felt warm and so did mine when I said thank you.
ENTJ: Everyone knows the classic character of a self-righteous doctor in a hospital show. You know that one. The one that everyone thinks may be hard-working and clever, but heartless and uncaring and egocentric, but a few episodes down the line you start to see that there is more going on underneath the rude attitude. I’ve always believed this to be a stereotypical depiction that is more of a caricature until I met her. She was a doctor at a hospital I stayed in, and damn, she was just like that. She stormed into the rooms, rolled her eyes at a patient whose German was bad, even though she had a thick accent herself, couldn’t be bothered to commit to polite standards of communication like saying hello or thanks, and she didn’t care to wait for just a second when a nurse was in her way and pushed her aside instead. Especially two young nurses were exasperated with her and complained about her as soon as she stormed out of the room. They really made me feel like I had gotten myself into a hospital show as a patient, it was fantastic. And I have to say, even though this young doctor had all of these flaws, she was the only one that actually talked to the patients and explained what was going on, hell she even talked to that woman’s daughter on the phone for a few minutes because the woman didn’t understand the language. Just like on tv, she may have been rude, but at least she seemed like a good doctor.
INTP: My university department held a conference and I was responsible for making sure that all these professors and PhD students didn’t die from their coffee cravings, so I spent most of my time running around with giant coffee cans. And I have to admit, among all the scientists that were roaming the halls, I couldn’t help but stare at him. He was a PhD student from the Netherlands and there was just something about him that did not fit in. You know how professors are often a bit eccentric or strange by normal standards (which explains why we had to explain to an unspeakable amount of them how a coffee can works), so you’d imagine he’d fit right in. But he didn’t. He was his own universe. While everyone was networking, he was studying the research posters in silence. Not because he was too shy, he seemed very comfortable in his own skin. He just didn’t seem to care all that much about other people. I got to listen to a few talks and as he sat in front of me, I saw him play a video game. At an international conference. With professors and colleagues sitting behind him. And he still managed to ask intelligent questions about the talk afterwards. No idea how. Part of me wished I could have talked to him, not because he was cute though he was, but rather because I really could not tell you what kind of person he was. Was he a good person? A bad one? Probably something in-between. But I don’t think my opinion would have fazed him all that much, since to me, he seemed like the kind of person that valued his own opinion on himself the most, and I think that’s a good thing that he’s got there.
ENTP: I had just moved to a different city in a completely different part of the country, and I had just gotten back from my first walk around town. Sounds exciting, but I got back to this unfamiliar flat that I was supposed to call home now and I was panicking. So I stepped out on the balcony hoping the cold air and the stars above could calm my nerves. But it wasn‘t them that did. I stood there in the dark and saw an elderly couple in the parking lot. The woman was in a very similar mental state as me. She was running around their car and was talking about all the things they still had to take care of and things they‘d need, but had forgotten, and her voice got higher and shakier with every word. And then her husband just went and hugged her. She kissed him goodbye three times and every time she did, he let out a little laugh, calm and gentle. He pat her on the back and said that everything was going to be okay, that they would see each other again tomorrow. She kissed him goodbye one last time before she drove away, and I stood there alone in the dark and thanked the universe that I was there at the right time to hear this old man‘s words. For some reason he always seems to appear every time I‘m feeling low and strikes up a little chat with me. And every time he leaves, I have already forgotten what I was sad about.
INFJ: I think everyone pursuing an academic career has this one hero, this one scientist that lit the spark in their heart to dedicate their life to science just like them. I know I have one. So when I started an internship at his lab with one of his colleagues, I didn‘t really expect to meet him. I had seen him around once in a while, yes, but who was I to approach a stranger to tell him what his work meant to me? But then came the plenary meeting that was meant to get more people of the lab to get to know one another - and he approached me. He sat down next to me, asked me about my academic past and future, asked about my current project with his colleague. And I still can‘t believe it. Only a little girl singing in the church choir who is suddenly approached by Beyoncé can hope to imagine what it felt like. He was an internationally renowned scientist, he would have had every reason to look down on the rest of us. Many of them certainly do. But here he was, talking to a little intern from abroad. He was such a genuinely nice person, was sweet and slightly awkward, he even mirrored my weird head nodding that I always do when all the words have left me. He felt like a kindred spirit. I didn‘t tell him what these few minutes talking to him meant to me though part of me wishes that I did, yet still he invited me to the meetings of his research team even though I was not a part of it. And when I came and sat down, he turned around, smiled at me and turned away again, and I can‘t tell you how insane it feels that all of this actually happened.
ENFJ: I’ve written about him before and I will write about him forever. I remember the day our eyes first met in that crowded school corridor almost half of my life ago. I don’t know why neither of us could look away that day, why neither of us could ever look away again from this day on. Somehow our eyes always found each other. I remember the snowy day at the train station so many years later, how he stood there alone in the cold and how he slowly walked towards me, his eyes glued to his feet that abruptly stopped right next to mine. And yet he stayed silent. As did I. So we stood there for an hour waiting for our train, quickly averting our eyes every time they came close to meeting. I remember him looking back at me over his shoulder once we got off the train. He seemed quite flustered that I was about to find out that he had parked his car right next to mine and so he fled. Both of us kept parking our cars next to each other, even when we didn’t see each other for months. But I could never follow him out. He was my own personal mystery. I spent countless nights staring at the ceiling wondering what it was, this strange thing that was going on between us, this little secret that we shared, and I wondered who he really was inside, not who he pretended to be in front of his friends. He was like an island in their midst, always a bit detached, always tucked away behind a smile. Soon twelve years will have passed and still we’ve never spoken a word, but somehow these dark brown eyes still feel more familiar than my own, these eyes that always seemed to look right into my soul. I could have stared at them my whole life. I honestly have no idea what it is that is tying me to him, what it is that I felt back then and what I’m feeling right now. Maybe I’ll never know. I haven’t seen him in three years, but I know our paths will cross again some day. I can feel it in my bones. This story is not over yet. Maybe then we’ll finally be ready to meet properly. Maybe then we’ll finally be able to speak.
INFP: I happened to stand at the window when I saw the new postman approach our letterbox, and so I watched him throw letters and magazines inside - and stop. He moved his head closer to the box and a frown appeared on his face. He backed off, wanted to leave, came back again and didn’t seem to know what he was supposed to do. So he rang the doorbell. As I opened the door, there he was, shy and with slight panic in his eyes. “I’m so sorry”, he said. “There is a sign on your letterbox that you don’t want advertisements, but I saw that too late and I had already thrown it in. I’m terribly sorry. I can’t get it out of the box and so I thought, I should ask if that’s alright.” And my heart just went awwww, that’s adorable. I smiled at him and told him that it was absolutely fine. He seemed so relieved. So he went away and I closed the door.
ENFP: This is for the man with the kind, but heartbreakingly sad eyes who sometimes sits in front of the train station silently begging for money. This is for the grandparents who spent their train ride trying to teach their little grandchildren the numbers from one to five. This is for the old woman who always kneels down in the middle of the train station with her forehead pressed to the ground, keeping still for hours, enduring the devastation of thousands of people passing by without stopping. This is for the woman who knelt down next to a homeless man, who took his hand and asked how she could help him. This is for the man who made faces at the little boy sitting next to him on the train to make him laugh. This is for the anger I felt when I saw the distraught face of a 10-year-old boy coming out of the movie „1917“ at the cinema with his father. This is for the happy little puppy who lives next to the bakery where I usually grab my lunch. This is for the twenty people who decided to all speak a foreign language during a meeting with each other just because I was there too, a total stranger they had never even seen before who is bad at their native language. This is for the creep that asked me in the middle of the street at night to accompany him. This is for the two teenagers who went to buy sandwiches and coffee for a homeless woman. This is for the families I often see sitting at the train stations, sometimes with a baby in their arms, holding a sign saying „Syrian family. We are hungry, help us please.“ This is for the man who yelled at his girlfriend because she gave them some money. This is for the people who play music during everyone‘s morning commute on the train. This is for all the people who approached me speaking in French and started to laugh when I apologised for not being very good at it. This is for Paris, in all its beauty and all its ugliness. This is for humanity, in all its beauty and ugliness.
ISTJ: He was sitting alone on the train, looking out of the window while listening to something with headphones. He was a tall guy in his mid-20s, one with a full beard, long brown hair in a neat ponytail, and a t-shirt of some rock band that I had never heard of. So, I was sitting there, three meters away, minding my own business, when I suddenly heard a giggle. The entire car of the train had been quiet all this time as it usually is, so I looked up and saw this guy trying to contain his laughter. He pressed the lips together, scratched his nose in order to inconspicuously cover his mouth. I don’t know where this sudden burst of laughter came from. Maybe he was listening to an audio book and reached a funny part. Maybe he was listening to a voice message of a funny friend. Maybe he just had a very amusing thought, I don’t know. But I’ve always had a soft spot for people who randomly start laughing in public and get embarrassed about it cause it’s always, always adorable.
ESTJ: She was a PhD student at my university and she was the one who mainly organised the conference that the above mentioned INTP was attending, too. And even though she didn‘t get tired of complaining about how much work this all was, how typical it was of her boss to volunteer to hold the conference at our university and then not lifting a single finger, she was like a fish in the water, not out of it. She observed everything and everyone, immediately recognised little problems or things that could become a problem, she was constantly running around checking everything, and she kept so many things in mind, it was impressive. One of the attendees sat in a wheelchair and as soon as she noticed, she made us rebuild the entire cafeteria immediately so that everything was reachable for her. And in all the running around, all the obligatory smalltalk, all the stress, she still found the time to stand with us student helpers and joke around.
ISFJ: It was 6pm on a Friday afternoon when all of Paris was trying to get home in the middle of a train strike, so the trains that did run were even more crowded than usual. I did not enjoy sharing 5 square metres with almost 40 other people. But then he entered the train and stood right next to me, leaning against the doors without moving, looking like an intellectual in gangster clothes. We were surrounded by noise of people talking and of rails screaming, by strangers breathing onto our skin, and he just stood there unfazed by it all. He radiated calmness like I‘ve never seen anyone do before. Soon it reached me too, filled me up and left no place for any distress or anxiety. He was like an island in the storm that grew and grew and grew until all of the 40 people around him were safe. I felt safe. I don‘t think he has even the faintest clue about how special he is, but I feel like it has been a privilege to have crossed paths with him.
ESFJ: Did you ever meet someone who, on first glance, looks like the perfect example of a jock, just a short guy with bigger arms than he’s tall? But then you look again, take a closer look at him and you realise that his face has goodness written all over it. He may be horribly bad at grammar for a linguistics student and he may be a bit too sensitive for his own good, but he never made it a secret of how much of a sweetheart he really is. And in situations like these, when he talks about how emotional he got as a tutor when his student told him about a dying grandfather because he felt responsible for the student’s wellbeing, in situations like these, when he approaches my friend after a class to apologise for his harsh criticism of her presentation and to tell her that he didn’t mean it that way, to which she gets all confused because she didn’t take the slightest offence to anything he has ever said in his entire life and he mumbles that he may have to stop beating himself up about stuff like this, I just want to give him a hug and never let go.
ISTP: I saw her on the metro during rush hour in Paris, and I immediately noticed her to be different. Everyone else always only stares at their phones or into space, everyone else always look like a tired zombie. She was not a zombie. She was leaning against the doors, shaking her leg in the rhythm of the music she was listening to. She was short and skinny, and not even her punk boots could hide that, but there was such a confidence shining out of her, a confidence in who she was that made her look like a giant. She looked like she‘s probably had it rather rough in life, but it didn‘t break her. She rose to the adversity, rose in spite of it all. She seemed to be capable of so many things. Intelligent enough to go into science if she ever wanted to, vicious enough to end someone who ever dared to cross her, warm enough to love deeply and with all her heart if she let it.
ESTP: It was a hot day and far hotter than a September afternoon ever should be. I was stuck in a traffic jam in the city, melting in my car as were so many others, waiting for that red light to finally turn green. And then he came, a young guy in an ugly shirt and with a hat on his head. He started to cross the street, but then stopped right there in the middle. And he started to juggle. In the middle of a traffic jam on a Friday afternoon, he juggled. Just before his green light turned to red, he bowed down to the cars a few times, and then jumped to the sidewalk and left. Thanks, mate, you enigmatic juggling traffic hero.
ISFP: I met him at a wedding. He was a bald man in his 70s with thick horn glasses and probably the most intimidating person I’ve ever met. Not because he was mean, but because he was so confident in himself and so observant. His gaze constantly changed direction. He took everything in that happened around him, he didn’t miss a single thing that was going on, and still he was calm and sure of himself that everyone at our table felt like they had to impress him in some way. Just by looking at him you knew he must have lived an extraordinary life and he really did. He liked talking about himself. He talked about living in the American desert, on a mediterranean island, in a Buddhist monastery, and on a cruise ship. He talked about the smell of the desert at night, about the taste of oranges picked from a tree. He talked about the people he met, about professors and musicians, about cooks and monks. He talked about how much his village loved him. But he also liked listening to others talk about their own lives. It was obvious that he treated life as an experience, as a journey that cannot be planned or imagined, only lived. When we said goodbye, he looked me right in the eye and told me that he thinks it’s great what I’m doing with my life and that he’s looking forward to meeting me again some day. It felt a bit like receiving praise from a deity.
ESFP: He was a nurse in the accident and emergency department at the hospital and the first person to talk to me while I was waiting in front of an examination room. He was only passing by with a colleague, but he stopped the conversation when he saw me and put his hand on my shoulder. “Aw, sugarmouse, what happened to you?”, was the first thing he said to me. You know, if an unknown man in his 50s is coming towards you and calls you “sugarmouse”, you’re usually not exactly happy, but he was just an overwhelmingly non-threatening guy that called all of the nurses and doctors by kitschy nicknames and radiated warmth wherever he went. He had noticed that I was nervous, and so he came to me and tried to gently put my mind at ease and I was really grateful for it.
INTJ pairings
I’ll make this into a fun short “put you in my pocket and take you `to my mom’s Thanksgiving party” version too.
I’m not an INTJ, but I do converse with them (and by them, I mean maybe 3 total and 1 regularly) and I’ve been asked to talk about my thoughts on this, so for tonight only, I’m giving myself a really cool sash that says I’m an authority on the subject. I also think as an INTP I run into somewhat similar issues with certain types.
* means I like this pairing.
Typically, the INTJ’s golden pair is the ENFP. I think that works for some people, but is probably a kind of short-lasting passionate fling rather than the ideal pairing. ENFPs are great people, they’re lots of fun to be around, they care a great deal. They bring out the INTJ’s soft side, which they may hate but they secretly quite admire. But ultimately, ENFPs can be flaky. They see something new and exciting and they move on. Novelty is the greatest motivator in a lot of ENFPs. New friends, new places, new things to do. And while the INTJ may deeply admire that and may find it quite exciting, it’s not going to last forever. Eventually, the INTJ will become tired of playing games and want to settle into their ideal lifestyle pursuing their carefully strategized goals and the ENFP will become bored. The INTJ I speak to and I have the same issue, which is that ENFPs by nature are manipulative. It can be used for the good of inspiring people and bringing them together, but it can also become quite selfish and unstable. This leads to the ENFP saying things like “You try to apply logic to everything” or “you don’t really respect me” or something like that when in reality, if someone loves an INTJ they’ll love that they apply logic to everything and they’ll love their snarky edges.
INFPs. I have not heard a lot of feedback about them as I think INTJs tend to be drawn more to extraverts. But as someone who spends quite a lot of time with INFPs, I would imagine that a lot of INTJs who can’t make it work with ENFPs can also not make it work with INFPs. Once again, INFPs are great at engaging our minds but they are terrible at accepting that we live by rationality. INTJs use Fi a little bit, so to some extent they’ll have similar engagements with their emotional side, but INFPs live by thinking “what can I do to nurture myself” and INTJs live more by “how can I best mold the world to fit my vision of efficiency”. You’ll see the commonality of Fi at the worst point possible when the INTJ is breaking down. INFPs kind of never stop using Fi and as someone who is thinking-dominant, that is almost impossible for communication. Ultimately, they’ll eventually hit a point where their love languages and ways of interactions may be so disparate that they feel neglected.
ENTPs **. This is a golden pair that I can kind of get behind. The INxJs I know are obsessed with ENTPs and tend to think they’re quite attractive. They’re not only gregarious (when they’re not arguing) but they’re also quite intellectually stimulating and since they have opposite functions from the INTJ, there is still quite a bit of difference to make it fun. There shouldn’t be too many emotional issues, aside from the fact that both these types tend to bottle up their emotions and resent vulnerabilities. The ENTP will probably be the more caring of the two in a conventional sense, but I would think both would have similar love languages of caring both through action and thought. ENTPs also tend to not be quite as flaky as a lot of xNxPs are, but, I would rate both of these types as highly likely to ghost. My best advice is that if you want to be around ENTPs, pick one who can be honest about their real values and whose values align with yours. If they make a lot of bigoted jokes, take that at face value, no matter how “ironic” it is. ENTPs can be a little fake in the sense that they will blend in just enough and hide behind so-called irony to be friends with a lot of different people.
INTPs. I don’t really see it. I think INTPs are lovely as an INTP who likes other INTPs. Likewise, I enjoy a good conversation and friendship with an INTJ. But I find it not only difficult to tolerate relationships but also being told what to do. I make every decision in a relationship as a compromise and I think that would eventually quite interfere with the INTJ’s ambitions because I wouldn’t back down on mine…at least, not without resentment. So perhaps an INTJ and INTP with similar life goals could work out romantically, but personally, I view them as platonic and the one time I liked an INTJ it ended beyond poorly. I don’t bring out their softness and they don’t bring out mine. We’re more like buddies who complain about other people when we do the entire group project by ourselves. Of course, romantic preference is a preference.
ENTJs. When has it ever worked out for someone to date their sister-type? Name one time! If someone names one time I’ll update this. I think an ENTJ and an INTJ would be quite an argumentative couple even if they were on the same side about everything. Then again, INTJs do admire extraversion and it is always nice to be around people you don’t have to explain yourself to every sentence.
INFJs ****. Oh, I like this pairing. I have not heard much about it, but I think it would be really cute. INTJs are complete badasses. They’re very “I’m going to take over the world and you’re just going to have to deal with it. And if you say no I will secretly cry”. INFJs are very “I’m going to do everything in my power to heal everyone and the world and I am probably crying because I saw a baby bunny”. INFJs are The Best! They have the softness of ENFPs but they’re logical and they use Ni like INTJs but have Fe, which means they are thinking about harmony 24/7 and not that Fi-version of harmony. That genuine “I will make sure everyone is cared for at no social benefit to me” kind of harmony. They do socialize with a lot of people, but INTJs sometimes like to be social and party, they just aren’t typically regarded that way. Do Fe and Fi mix that well? Maybe not. But as an Fe user who is quite fond of INFJs, I think they could potentially be a very cute power couple with the INTJ and there would be fewer issues with communication than other types as Ni-doms (but this also might be boring at the same time).
ENFJs. Similar to INFJs. They might work together a little less simply because of the change in function positions.
ESFPs *. Do I know for sure that this is a good pairing? No! But gosh, do I like it. INTJs become ESFP-like when they’re sad. So, you know, maybe the ESFP will draw out the worst version of the INTJ and that could really suck. But this is the perfect little theatre kid dates total nerd trope and I like that. ESFPs have the social circle that the INTJ desires and the INTJ has the “got their shit together” vibes that ESFPs, despite being quite talented and successful, may lack. They both have skills one another can benefit strongly from, but it may come at the cost of a lot of arguments. Not sure. But I think this is actually my personal favorite since they have near-opposite strengths but a common reason to respect one another.
ISFPs: Pft. Idk. This is not the same as ESFPs. ISFPs are lovely but they sort of fill the same niche that INFPs do. Perfect for an INTP like me, but I don’t think INTJs are looking for the quiet, artsy, weirdo so much because they already often fill that niche to some extent, even if it’s more technical. I’ve noticed that INxJs really want to be around people who are the life of the party and very socially dominant (and ISFPs can fulfill that role, but there are other types who win via extraversion). The ISFP will likewise appreciate a little practicality, but I’ve noticed they’re more likely to gravitate towards other xxFPs. Probably a better friendship and as a relationship would take more effort.
ESTPs: I think this one comes with its own difficulties and will work less than ENTP/ESFP pairings. This is because while they can have the same charisma that ENTP and ESFPs have, they can also have that same fakeness as a defense mechanism. Both will value action but the ESTP will probably drain out the INTJ more than ENTPs will (who are more ambiverts) and more than ESFPs too. With ESFPs, there’s a good amount of the right kind of opposites. INTJs are action-driven, but they’re strategic and take a while. ESFPs are action-driven, but they’re more spontaneous. And ultimately, that leads to a lot of arguments about how to get things done. Whereas, the ESFP and ENTP might give the INTJ complete room to “manage”, the ESTP seems less likely to do so.
ISTPs: This would be so stale. INTJs tend to show big emotions (to their own despise) when they’re upset and ISTPs love to ghost at any sign of emotion. They would dip so fast. Top-tier friendship on an intellectual level but never particularly deep and unlikely, albeit not impossible to evolve into a relationship. Same issues as with INTPs, there’s going to be a lot of admiration and probably not a lot of emotional attachment. I have witnessed an INTJ have a crush on an ISTP but that ISTP had a crush on me so that tells you how that went. Messy business.
ESTJ: Yeah, I guess. I don’t like ESTJs as a general concept but I suppose INTJs aren’t necessarily as opposed to capitalism and tradition. Sounds dry. Next.
ISTJ *: This is probably a really solid pairing for the INTJ. Very marriage material, have the same job, raise cool kids. But I think that sounds boring. So if you want the “perfect life”, this is probably a good type for you but I couldn’t do that. You would probably only have minor arguments and the INTJ would have to learn to trust that ISTJs are incredibly good at reading situations while the ISTJ would have to learn to love that the INTJ is more fantasy-oriented than they are. Odd, right? Ultimately, you have two people who can be very commitment-oriented, who care for people the same way, who want to fix society, who analyze everything. You just have two generally different ways of doing that, where the ISTJ is probably actually better at being in society and the INTJ wants to change it in more drastic ways (although, for moral reasons they both want to change it).
ISFJ: I don’t imagine it working particularly well. I honestly can barely imagine it at all. An ISFJ is my best friend and he is THE MOST gentle buddy. You cannot make fun of him even playfully and keep the friendship. Probably a deal-breaker for a lot of INTJs as they tend to love a good tease. My ISFJ has dated an INTJ before and while they’re still friends, it was a bad experience to witness all around. INTJs are very competitive and ISFJs are very open with their affection so that ran into issues but also, the ISFJ is not as likely to stand up for itself in a way that INTJs easily respect, which is to say, when they do it it will be something like “hey, you hurt my feelings” and if you’re the kind of person to respond “then you’re too sensitive” you’ve got a whole ass toxic relationship on your hands.
ESFJ: I think this could work a little better than the ISFJ pairing and a little worse than with the ESFP. Of course, there are general grounds for arguing over emotion vs. logic, but both types can have quite a good bit of talent and practicality coexisting. ESFJs tend to be a little better with criticisms (although they are still sensitive and should be treated very gently too) and they’re more likely to want to accomplish goals that the INTJ finds easier to respect. For a lot of ISFJs, their goals are sweet and simple like raising a family, working as a computer scientist. The ESFJ might be a little more oriented towards large goals similar to that of the ESFP, which is more of the category that INTJs tend to fall into. However, the INTJ is going to have to accept that ESFJs love a LOT which means throwing a LOT of parties, probably the most out of any type and its probably going to lead to some burnouts.
Overall, INTJs are great but need to learn to practice kindness and put their natural tendency for intellectual superiority aside. They shouldn’t be with anyone that doesn’t want to accomplish things they can respect. They shouldn’t be with people who want them to compromise too much (they probably won’t). They should be with people who bring out their nurturing capabilities and who they want to do things for, but not people that they see as incapable of taking care of themselves. They may prefer more social people and admire people who can network while being direct and genuine. Based on these criteria, INFJs and ENTPs are my highest recommendations while ESFPs (my favorite) and ISTJs also make the list for various reasons.
BUT, that being said, RELATIONSHIPS (including friendships) ARE A SKILL. They are most successful when someone becomes good at learning respect and compromise that doesn’t cause resentment, regardless of type. All individuals will have different specific interests as well as red flags. And if you need me to tell you if your relationship works, it probably doesn’t and you can DM me.
ENTP & INFJ at the Airport
ENTP : So this is it. I'm leaving.
INFJ : *inaudible for a second* okay.
ENTP : We won't be seeing each other for like, forever. And forever is a very long time.
INFJ : *nods*
ENTP : And you won't get any 3 am messages and I won't hit you up with some random hypothesis to answer your theory of existence anymore.
INFJ : *slowly* I know.
ENTP : And I won't be there to defend you when people try to fuck you up.
INFJ : *almost crying* Fair enough.
ENTP : You won't be seeing anymore of my stupid dirty tricks and I won't invade your personal space to stack up my books.
INFJ : *suck up tears* Yeah?
ENTP : And you don't have to worry about me when I got into random arguments with that rich kid down the block.
INFJ : *half smile* I see.
ENTP : *lifts up luggage* Any last words?
INFJ: Maybe.
ENTP : Spit it out.
INFJ: ...
ENTP: ...
INFJ : I don't know if you realize this but, that's my luggage. And I'm only going away for a week you sentimental bastard.
ENTP : Oh yeah right.
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An Open Letter to INFJs: Regarding ENTPs
Disclaimer: this post is not in any way, shape, or form meant to slander or deface the reputation of ENTPs. This is merely meant as a way to help INFJs understand the unhealthy ENTP in their lives.
It has been said on the world wide web that there are certain MBTI types that pair better with INFJs than others. Of course, this is no great or new discovery. The general consensus amongst the MBTI circles is that the ENTP or the ENFP is an INFJ’s best match. Everyone feels differently about what they would like in a respective partner, and there are certainly exceptions to the rule (I feel a certain affinity for INTJs myself, and I know several other INFJs who share my preference); however, ENTPs and ENFPs do hold a certain appeal. ENFPs have a seemingly perpetual bubbliness to everything they do, while ENTPs are more focused and borderline manic in what they do. I’ve had the fortune to meet three ENTPs in my life, but only one of those has been what is generally considered healthy. While each of these ENTPs are worlds apart from one another in respect to interests and the like, there have been recurring themes: insatiable thirst for knowledge, wanting to reach their full potential, unmotivated unless you engage their brain and get them thinking about the possibilities of a situation. There’s one of these individuals that I want to discuss in particular, so other INFJs can be on the look out against unhealthy ENTPs. This is from personal experience and may or may not apply to the unhealthy ENTP in your life, seeing as how all people act differently. This is not meant to be taken as gospel, but “more as guidelines than actual rules”. You dig? 1. Unhealthy ENTPs have a tendency to pull you in. This may seem like the most obvious statement you’ve ever seen, but let me expand on this. ENTPs have a natural charisma and energy to them. I don’t know about other INFJs, but finding someone who seems to have a devil-may-care attitude that makes the synapses in your brain start firing off is extremely attractive to me (this probably says more about me than ENTPs right now). ENTPs have a certain spark to them that makes them different from other people in the room. They’re eccentric, honest, and can be downright brutal in their delivery with information. They play devil’s advocate 98-99% of the time just to see if you can back up what you’re saying, not to mention to see if you can keep up. For the INFJs who like a challenge and want to have verbal sparring matches, look no further than the ENTP. While the INFJ might be initially frustrated with how the ENTP seems to rebut their arguments, they generally keep coming back because they’re magnetically drawn to the ENTP. You can’t help it, it’s chemistry. 2. Trying to get an unhealthy ENTP to commit to something is virtually impossible. Another grandiose, over-generalizing statement, but it’s true. Honestly, you can’t really force anyone to do anything that they don’t want to and I’m generally not one to try. When making plans, however, unhealthy ENTPs are like smoke. Countless times this ENTP and I made plans to spend some quality time together and out of the 12 times we agreed to meet, we only met once. This began to get frustrating, especially when the ENTP was texting me practically every day talking about how much they missed me, only to disappear and leave me hanging for our get together. That, or something better came along and they wanted to do that instead, but didn’t tell me so I’m left waiting 3 hours for someone who wasn’t even available, which leads me to my next point. 3. Unhealthy ENTPs will do anything and everything to get exactly what they want, without regard to other people. To say that ENTPs are flirtatious is an understatement. They will flirt with practically anyone in their orbit, garnering different kinds of affections and attentions from a wide pool of people and take their pick of who they like best from the options available. This unhealthy ENTP was on a date with a different person at least three times a week, though sometimes it was four. Countless people were affected by the unhealthy ENTPs actions when they found out what the ENTP had been doing. When asked directly about it by several individuals, the ENTP literally said, “Can’t blame me for wanting to have a good time.” 4. Unhealthy ENTPs can and will take advantage of you. For the INFJs who constantly look for redeeming qualities in other people, giving unhealthy ENTPs a seemingly endless supply of second chances is one of the worst things you can do. This leads the ENTP, who naturally likes to push boundaries, to believe they can keep benching you. They will spend time with literally everyone but you, all because they know that at the end of the day, you’ll keep taking them back. The unhealthy ENTP takes advantage of the INFJ’s generous nature and will not hesitate to resort to manipulation to get the INFJ back on their side. This is ironic, considering that ENTPs hate to be manipulated above all else (that, and having their intelligence doubted). This can come in many different varieties, including guilt tripping, saying one thing and meaning the exact opposite, and complimenting you on what they know you think are your best qualities. Defending yourself against unhealthy people is crucial to success in life, and what one truly needs to focus on is self-preservation. You need to surround yourself with positive people who share your sense of humor, people who nurture you and allow you to grow. I don’t know about other INFJs, but I tend to gravitate towards the people who will be the absolute worst for me. It doesn’t matter how many times I acknowledge it, I still do it. For INFJs, I know it’s hard to see people for what they truly are when you’re emotionally involved with them. You want to see them for what they could be, not what they are currently. You’re an idealist, so that makes you think, ideally, if someone worked on certain aspects of their life, they’d be the happiest version of themselves. You can’t force this on someone, however, and in the end they have to choose to help themselves and change. For the unhealthy ENTP that is set in their ways and refuses to change even when their shortcomings are pointed out to them, the best thing you can do for yourself is to walk away. Learn to discern who is worth your time and who is not. You are better than you think, and deserve more than you allow yourself to dream of.