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I wish more people would make a fan stuff exploring gvh’s world more,like how Dino society interacts with the times fauna like sebecids and mosasaurs and id like to imagine non-sapient dinosaurs too! Basically I just wanna see ocs or maybe the dinogang themselves interacting with maastrichtian critters,I even have an idea for a story where some teen campers are terrorized by a large sebecid and megaraptoran in some off-limits woods near caldera bay
Its just more than a bit absurd to me that folks who want to do scientific classifications of Monster Hunter monsters use real world classifications for creatures that very blatantly are not Earth animals that very much did not follow the evolutionary paths that Earth animals did.
No, the brute and bird wyverns are not fucking dinosaurs you cannot label them as theropods, they're just theropod-like.
Yer making an awful lot of assumptions that things like congalala and rajang are actually primates when they also have scales and horns with boney cores.
Wow, there's fanged wyverns that have some characteristics similar to synapsids? That's neat but they arent fucking synapsids, they just happen to have some similar characteristics.
No, you can't insist that a Dalthydon is a mammal because it produces milk while insisting that the monsters that it is most likely directly related to (like gastodon and kestodon) are Ornithischian dinosaurs and they just happen to look similar.
Just fucking come up with fictional scientific names for yer classifications of fictional creatures. It's that easy and it doesnt make you look like yer talking out of yer ass.
Like literally, 'just because critter X happens to look a lot like critter Y doesn't mean that X and Y are related' is something that I know is taught in science classes.
counterpoint: it’s more fun to think of it like an alternate universe earth, or a far future earth, and some of the monsters are descended from de-extincted paleofauna
I am not taking a risk
Not risking it pals
U know what I want potato of luck
Damn right I’m reblogging. See previous post re wrath of whatever from high atop the thing.
Plz potato work your magic 🥺
fuck it, i'm reblogging this.
i shall take no chances
imagine a monster hunter-style splatoon game
How'd that even work?
you hunt dangerous Mollusc era (splatoon time) fauna. if something like the great zapfish can exist then it’s plausible for there to be some real monster hunter monster-Esque creatures out there
what kinds of creatures do you think lived in the mountains and glacial biomes of the Carboniferous period?
I don't think, from the top of my head, that we have any extensive fossil record of such biomes from the carboniferous. We don't even understand much about the terrestrial ecosystems beyond the coal forests.
I think we have some stuff from polar regions but especially mountains are a horrible place if you want to be preserved as a fossil. Mountains are places where erosion happens, not deposition.
OK so.
First thing to note about polar and high-altitude environments is that, from a physiological standpoint, they are very difficult places to live. Creatures which live there are going to be one of two things: Evaders or Endurers.
Evaders are generally small animals that make use of behavioural strategies to avoid the harsh conditions (which, in both habitats, includes below-freezing temperatures, low humidity, lack of food, and - at high altitudes, or when there's snow on the ground - dangerous levels of UV radiation. They're going to do this by exploiting microclimates within their habitat - mostly burrows (hard to dig in frozen soils, but tunnels under the snow are both significantly warmer and significantly more humid than the environment above) or rock crevices (especially in alpine habitats, where erosion creates many ideal hiding places). Evaders are going to time their behaviours to coincide with periods of lower environmental stress - e.g. hibernate during the winter and move around during the summer, or only leave their burrows at daytime when they can warm up in the morning sunshine. Another category of evaders are migratory species which live and feed in the polar regions in the summer, and run away to more temperate climes during the winter. These animals can be larger, since they don't need to exploit microclimates when conditions are bad - they can just leave. Being big is also good for travelling since you can store more energy as fat reserves and cover more ground. Most animals in extreme environments are going to be evaders, just given the relative complexity of adaptation involved.
Endurers, on the other hand, don't migrate and are too big to hide in burrows or rock crevices, so they just tank the environmental damage incurred by the cold temperatures, low humidity, and lack of food. These tend to be large animals that can't effectively hide in burrows or crevices, and which are forced to face the elements head-on. Think muskox, etc. These animals must have specific adaptations to weather the cold - namely, endothermy. Looking at the distribution of life on earth today, the only animals which have any kind of significant presence in extremely cold environments are endotherms - lizards, frogs, salamanders, snakes, etc. all reach limits of their ranges much further south than mammals and birds. Polar endotherms must have additional ways of keeping warm, including thick insulation (blubber or fur), round bodies with few extremities (which are vulnerable to frostbite), and a complex system to warm incoming air so it doesn't freeze the lungs.
In the carboniferous, true endothermy is going to be rare (if it exists at all) and thus very few, if any, animals are going to be endurers. You might get some giant amphibians in high-latitude temperate swamps with similar adaptations to large pelagic fish like Tuna, but that's about it unless you find a clade that can swing both endothermy and insulation. The vast majority of polar animals are going to be evaders. Maybe some primitive synapsids or flying insects will be able to make the annual migration; more likely, the small reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods are going to wait out the winter in burrows and tunnels. Look at modern temperate ectotherms as examples: wood frogs can freeze solid in winter, garter and rattlesnakes find deep holes to hide in until it warms up again in the summer. In the absolute worst of conditions, on the ice sheets themselves, you might find some cold-hardy arthropods (like springtails) grazing on bacterial or algal films (maybe overwintering as cryptobiotic eggs or cysts), but for the most part there's gonna be nothing.
But there are giant amphipods and isopods living in cold environments, whose to say there couldn’t have been any large arthropods in those climes back then too?
Oh, absolutely! There would definitely be large arthropods by today's standards. But those would still technically be "small" animals - about a meter long, maximum. When I say "large animals" I mean things the size of wolves or muskox - critters that are just too big to fit in any kind of hole or crevice that might shelter them from the wind.
Right now I'm thinking of a kind of giant griffinfly (1.5 m wingspan) that hangs around during the summer and breeds in arctic puddles, then zips back to southern swamps to avoid the winter; its nymphs would have to overwinter somehow, maybe deep underground in burrows. Another possibility would be a giant scorpion (akin to Pulmonoscorpius) which hides in deep cracks in the rocks, like a rattlesnake in a hibernaculum.
I think anything regularly coming in direct contact with the snow or ice would have to be small enough that they could avoid thermal inertia, warming up quickly enough to take advantage of rare warm spells.
Another thing to note is that the low partial pressure of oxygen at high altitudes would force insects to be much smaller than at sea level, more akin to modern sizes.
I just wonder if there were arctic eurypterids that filled the niche of leopard seals,and maybe hibbertoptetus-like eurypterids could have been their food source
Oh, yeah. Of course. Things get weird when you go in the ocean; the temperature never really drops far enough for animals to risk freezing solid, so it's considerably less extreme in the water than on land. I would expect a thriving invertebrate community with eurypterids and cephalopods dominating the top predator niches. There'd probably be crazy stuff like fishapods with no haemoglobin in their blood or gigantic conodonts or something, too.
could you maybe draw some of the creatures that could have existed in these environments? It’s ok if you don’t want to
what kinds of creatures do you think lived in the mountains and glacial biomes of the Carboniferous period?
I don't think, from the top of my head, that we have any extensive fossil record of such biomes from the carboniferous. We don't even understand much about the terrestrial ecosystems beyond the coal forests.
I think we have some stuff from polar regions but especially mountains are a horrible place if you want to be preserved as a fossil. Mountains are places where erosion happens, not deposition.
OK so.
First thing to note about polar and high-altitude environments is that, from a physiological standpoint, they are very difficult places to live. Creatures which live there are going to be one of two things: Evaders or Endurers.
Evaders are generally small animals that make use of behavioural strategies to avoid the harsh conditions (which, in both habitats, includes below-freezing temperatures, low humidity, lack of food, and - at high altitudes, or when there's snow on the ground - dangerous levels of UV radiation. They're going to do this by exploiting microclimates within their habitat - mostly burrows (hard to dig in frozen soils, but tunnels under the snow are both significantly warmer and significantly more humid than the environment above) or rock crevices (especially in alpine habitats, where erosion creates many ideal hiding places). Evaders are going to time their behaviours to coincide with periods of lower environmental stress - e.g. hibernate during the winter and move around during the summer, or only leave their burrows at daytime when they can warm up in the morning sunshine. Another category of evaders are migratory species which live and feed in the polar regions in the summer, and run away to more temperate climes during the winter. These animals can be larger, since they don't need to exploit microclimates when conditions are bad - they can just leave. Being big is also good for travelling since you can store more energy as fat reserves and cover more ground. Most animals in extreme environments are going to be evaders, just given the relative complexity of adaptation involved.
Endurers, on the other hand, don't migrate and are too big to hide in burrows or rock crevices, so they just tank the environmental damage incurred by the cold temperatures, low humidity, and lack of food. These tend to be large animals that can't effectively hide in burrows or crevices, and which are forced to face the elements head-on. Think muskox, etc. These animals must have specific adaptations to weather the cold - namely, endothermy. Looking at the distribution of life on earth today, the only animals which have any kind of significant presence in extremely cold environments are endotherms - lizards, frogs, salamanders, snakes, etc. all reach limits of their ranges much further south than mammals and birds. Polar endotherms must have additional ways of keeping warm, including thick insulation (blubber or fur), round bodies with few extremities (which are vulnerable to frostbite), and a complex system to warm incoming air so it doesn't freeze the lungs.
In the carboniferous, true endothermy is going to be rare (if it exists at all) and thus very few, if any, animals are going to be endurers. You might get some giant amphibians in high-latitude temperate swamps with similar adaptations to large pelagic fish like Tuna, but that's about it unless you find a clade that can swing both endothermy and insulation. The vast majority of polar animals are going to be evaders. Maybe some primitive synapsids or flying insects will be able to make the annual migration; more likely, the small reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods are going to wait out the winter in burrows and tunnels. Look at modern temperate ectotherms as examples: wood frogs can freeze solid in winter, garter and rattlesnakes find deep holes to hide in until it warms up again in the summer. In the absolute worst of conditions, on the ice sheets themselves, you might find some cold-hardy arthropods (like springtails) grazing on bacterial or algal films (maybe overwintering as cryptobiotic eggs or cysts), but for the most part there's gonna be nothing.
But there are giant amphipods and isopods living in cold environments, whose to say there couldn’t have been any large arthropods in those climes back then too?
Oh, absolutely! There would definitely be large arthropods by today's standards. But those would still technically be "small" animals - about a meter long, maximum. When I say "large animals" I mean things the size of wolves or muskox - critters that are just too big to fit in any kind of hole or crevice that might shelter them from the wind.
Right now I'm thinking of a kind of giant griffinfly (1.5 m wingspan) that hangs around during the summer and breeds in arctic puddles, then zips back to southern swamps to avoid the winter; its nymphs would have to overwinter somehow, maybe deep underground in burrows. Another possibility would be a giant scorpion (akin to Pulmonoscorpius) which hides in deep cracks in the rocks, like a rattlesnake in a hibernaculum.
I think anything regularly coming in direct contact with the snow or ice would have to be small enough that they could avoid thermal inertia, warming up quickly enough to take advantage of rare warm spells.
Another thing to note is that the low partial pressure of oxygen at high altitudes would force insects to be much smaller than at sea level, more akin to modern sizes.
I just wonder if there were arctic eurypterids that filled the niche of leopard seals,and maybe hibbertoptetus-like eurypterids could have been their food source
Oh, yeah. Of course. Things get weird when you go in the ocean; the temperature never really drops far enough for animals to risk freezing solid, so it's considerably less extreme in the water than on land. I would expect a thriving invertebrate community with eurypterids and cephalopods dominating the top predator niches. There'd probably be crazy stuff like fishapods with no haemoglobin in their blood or gigantic conodonts or something, too.
maybe there would be some endocerids using their shells like narwhals use their tusks, or maybe even some surviving arthrodires
what kinds of creatures do you think lived in the mountains and glacial biomes of the Carboniferous period?
I don't think, from the top of my head, that we have any extensive fossil record of such biomes from the carboniferous. We don't even understand much about the terrestrial ecosystems beyond the coal forests.
I think we have some stuff from polar regions but especially mountains are a horrible place if you want to be preserved as a fossil. Mountains are places where erosion happens, not deposition.
OK so.
First thing to note about polar and high-altitude environments is that, from a physiological standpoint, they are very difficult places to live. Creatures which live there are going to be one of two things: Evaders or Endurers.
Evaders are generally small animals that make use of behavioural strategies to avoid the harsh conditions (which, in both habitats, includes below-freezing temperatures, low humidity, lack of food, and - at high altitudes, or when there's snow on the ground - dangerous levels of UV radiation. They're going to do this by exploiting microclimates within their habitat - mostly burrows (hard to dig in frozen soils, but tunnels under the snow are both significantly warmer and significantly more humid than the environment above) or rock crevices (especially in alpine habitats, where erosion creates many ideal hiding places). Evaders are going to time their behaviours to coincide with periods of lower environmental stress - e.g. hibernate during the winter and move around during the summer, or only leave their burrows at daytime when they can warm up in the morning sunshine. Another category of evaders are migratory species which live and feed in the polar regions in the summer, and run away to more temperate climes during the winter. These animals can be larger, since they don't need to exploit microclimates when conditions are bad - they can just leave. Being big is also good for travelling since you can store more energy as fat reserves and cover more ground. Most animals in extreme environments are going to be evaders, just given the relative complexity of adaptation involved.
Endurers, on the other hand, don't migrate and are too big to hide in burrows or rock crevices, so they just tank the environmental damage incurred by the cold temperatures, low humidity, and lack of food. These tend to be large animals that can't effectively hide in burrows or crevices, and which are forced to face the elements head-on. Think muskox, etc. These animals must have specific adaptations to weather the cold - namely, endothermy. Looking at the distribution of life on earth today, the only animals which have any kind of significant presence in extremely cold environments are endotherms - lizards, frogs, salamanders, snakes, etc. all reach limits of their ranges much further south than mammals and birds. Polar endotherms must have additional ways of keeping warm, including thick insulation (blubber or fur), round bodies with few extremities (which are vulnerable to frostbite), and a complex system to warm incoming air so it doesn't freeze the lungs.
In the carboniferous, true endothermy is going to be rare (if it exists at all) and thus very few, if any, animals are going to be endurers. You might get some giant amphibians in high-latitude temperate swamps with similar adaptations to large pelagic fish like Tuna, but that's about it unless you find a clade that can swing both endothermy and insulation. The vast majority of polar animals are going to be evaders. Maybe some primitive synapsids or flying insects will be able to make the annual migration; more likely, the small reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods are going to wait out the winter in burrows and tunnels. Look at modern temperate ectotherms as examples: wood frogs can freeze solid in winter, garter and rattlesnakes find deep holes to hide in until it warms up again in the summer. In the absolute worst of conditions, on the ice sheets themselves, you might find some cold-hardy arthropods (like springtails) grazing on bacterial or algal films (maybe overwintering as cryptobiotic eggs or cysts), but for the most part there's gonna be nothing.
But there are giant amphipods and isopods living in cold environments, whose to say there couldn’t have been any large arthropods in those climes back then too?
Oh, absolutely! There would definitely be large arthropods by today's standards. But those would still technically be "small" animals - about a meter long, maximum. When I say "large animals" I mean things the size of wolves or muskox - critters that are just too big to fit in any kind of hole or crevice that might shelter them from the wind.
Right now I'm thinking of a kind of giant griffinfly (1.5 m wingspan) that hangs around during the summer and breeds in arctic puddles, then zips back to southern swamps to avoid the winter; its nymphs would have to overwinter somehow, maybe deep underground in burrows. Another possibility would be a giant scorpion (akin to Pulmonoscorpius) which hides in deep cracks in the rocks, like a rattlesnake in a hibernaculum.
I think anything regularly coming in direct contact with the snow or ice would have to be small enough that they could avoid thermal inertia, warming up quickly enough to take advantage of rare warm spells.
Another thing to note is that the low partial pressure of oxygen at high altitudes would force insects to be much smaller than at sea level, more akin to modern sizes.
I just wonder if there were arctic eurypterids that filled the niche of leopard seals,and maybe hibbertoptetus-like eurypterids could have been their food source
what kinds of creatures do you think lived in the mountains and glacial biomes of the Carboniferous period?
I don't think, from the top of my head, that we have any extensive fossil record of such biomes from the carboniferous. We don't even understand much about the terrestrial ecosystems beyond the coal forests.
I think we have some stuff from polar regions but especially mountains are a horrible place if you want to be preserved as a fossil. Mountains are places where erosion happens, not deposition.
OK so.
First thing to note about polar and high-altitude environments is that, from a physiological standpoint, they are very difficult places to live. Creatures which live there are going to be one of two things: Evaders or Endurers.
Evaders are generally small animals that make use of behavioural strategies to avoid the harsh conditions (which, in both habitats, includes below-freezing temperatures, low humidity, lack of food, and - at high altitudes, or when there's snow on the ground - dangerous levels of UV radiation. They're going to do this by exploiting microclimates within their habitat - mostly burrows (hard to dig in frozen soils, but tunnels under the snow are both significantly warmer and significantly more humid than the environment above) or rock crevices (especially in alpine habitats, where erosion creates many ideal hiding places). Evaders are going to time their behaviours to coincide with periods of lower environmental stress - e.g. hibernate during the winter and move around during the summer, or only leave their burrows at daytime when they can warm up in the morning sunshine. Another category of evaders are migratory species which live and feed in the polar regions in the summer, and run away to more temperate climes during the winter. These animals can be larger, since they don't need to exploit microclimates when conditions are bad - they can just leave. Being big is also good for travelling since you can store more energy as fat reserves and cover more ground. Most animals in extreme environments are going to be evaders, just given the relative complexity of adaptation involved.
Endurers, on the other hand, don't migrate and are too big to hide in burrows or rock crevices, so they just tank the environmental damage incurred by the cold temperatures, low humidity, and lack of food. These tend to be large animals that can't effectively hide in burrows or crevices, and which are forced to face the elements head-on. Think muskox, etc. These animals must have specific adaptations to weather the cold - namely, endothermy. Looking at the distribution of life on earth today, the only animals which have any kind of significant presence in extremely cold environments are endotherms - lizards, frogs, salamanders, snakes, etc. all reach limits of their ranges much further south than mammals and birds. Polar endotherms must have additional ways of keeping warm, including thick insulation (blubber or fur), round bodies with few extremities (which are vulnerable to frostbite), and a complex system to warm incoming air so it doesn't freeze the lungs.
In the carboniferous, true endothermy is going to be rare (if it exists at all) and thus very few, if any, animals are going to be endurers. You might get some giant amphibians in high-latitude temperate swamps with similar adaptations to large pelagic fish like Tuna, but that's about it unless you find a clade that can swing both endothermy and insulation. The vast majority of polar animals are going to be evaders. Maybe some primitive synapsids or flying insects will be able to make the annual migration; more likely, the small reptiles, amphibians, and arthropods are going to wait out the winter in burrows and tunnels. Look at modern temperate ectotherms as examples: wood frogs can freeze solid in winter, garter and rattlesnakes find deep holes to hide in until it warms up again in the summer. In the absolute worst of conditions, on the ice sheets themselves, you might find some cold-hardy arthropods (like springtails) grazing on bacterial or algal films (maybe overwintering as cryptobiotic eggs or cysts), but for the most part there's gonna be nothing.
But there are giant amphipods and isopods living in cold environments, whose to say there couldn’t have been any large arthropods in those climes back then too?
