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This blog is no longer being updated, but I'm leaving it here as a reference to those who might want it. Here is a link to the chart.

[wakraya]

 Homestuck Aspect Division Theory

A while ago, a friend of mine told me about a friend that had a theory. Instead of having extra Aspects aside from the canonical 12 ones (No, I’m not counting Piss or Lips as canon), given they are more or less the Basis of Creation, the fundamental powers from which the new Universe is made (Space and Time, Order and Chaos, Life and Death, Mind and Soul…), more than having extra, off-canon Aspects, in big enough Sessions the 12 Aspects split into smaller chunks.

I loved this idea, so I began to work on two divisions, thinking that the Session before the Trolls had 48 Players, and ended up making an Expanded Aspect Chart. Three sets of Aspects! The original with 12, the first division with 24, and the second division with 48, to give a total of 84 symbols, with their respective names and colors! I’ll explain what each of them means below the cut.

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[wakraya]

Reblogging this again because I never liked the clock symbol I used for Past, and it suddenly came to me that I could put a hourglass instead.

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Alright, it’s clear now that I’m not going to have time to run this blog anymore, so I’m just going to stop. I’ll leave the blog up as a reference, but I won’t be answering questions for the foreseeable future. I’m probably just going to clear out my inbox too, so I’m sorry about not answering those questions but I really never would have found time to answer them anyway. I’ll turn off ask and I’ll leave a note in the description of the blog too.

Feel free to unfollow this blog if you want (there won’t be any new content), or you can keep following it so you have a quick way to reference it. Whatever works for you is okay with me.

[claspecttheory]

Also, your grimdark ask is incorrect as (i don't know how far you are?) Jade wen't "Grimbark". It's basically corruption by some outside force causing you to become the alignment of Chaotic Evil (or something in the chaotic spectrum).

tru, tru, but while the circumstances and causes of both rose's grimdarkness and Jade's grimbarkness are kind of similar, they are not the same. therefore i still think that they are different things. notice that they also have different names

[claspecttheory]

This is just out of the sake of being curious, but in your personal belief, title do you think would be the wrost grimmed (In my opinion Grimmed is a word in homestuck. Also I don't remember that the real name is)

Grimdark is the term you’re looking for, I think. Most people think that grimdarkness can happen to any player, but that is a misconception.

Players have a claspect, and then they have their Inverse, which is the exact opposite of their claspect. You can visit tumblr user bladekindeyewear to get the full scoop on inversion.

The case with Rose was that she was inverted. She became the exact opposite of a Seer of Light, which would be a Witch of Void. She became dark and her speech was garbled (Light is all about information and knowledge and passing it on, and Void is about obscuring, so when she inverted her speech was obscured). Only Light inverts to Void, so it’s probable that “grimdarkness” can only happen to Light players. Other players would invert to different aspects, so the concept of grimdarkness can’t apply to them.

Sorry to completely avoid your question, but there it is.

[claspecttheory]

Allowed to ask random questions? Now I'll be busy. So, third question. I have a character who lies a lot or keeps a lot of lies. She's very kind and is very much a people pleaser. All she wants to really do is to protect her friends and help them with whatever she can help with. She mainly has a problems with relationships, her self confidence, and how she kind of absorbs everyone's pain. What class would that be? (Jesus. That sounds a lot like me e_e)

Mmmm choosing classes for characters is really hard and requires a lot more information, not to mention that the personality traits that are common to some classes are unknown because Homestuck just lacks that kind of information. It also has a lot to do with the way your character affects their environment, or how their environment affects them. If I really had to guess, I might say Sylph, maybe Knight? It’s hard to know. 

Some people have great success with taking a title test and answering all the questions in the way that they think their character would answer them! It might also help you iron out the small details of your character.

Update:

lunarfantom said: Class could be anything, but the aspect is likely Mind, Blood, Void, or Doom. Doom sounds like it might be right. Working with systems, making sacrifices, low confidence and absorption of pain. Maybe Thief or Rogue of Doom? Just brain storming here

Yeah! I was totally thinking of Doom myself for that very reason, but I thought this person mentioned Time being the character's aspect in a previous ask, so I let it be. Nice theorizing A++

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I warn you, I will be asking a lot of random questions since it's an option. Anyways, I just have a somewhat random land question. Is there any type of class that could go along with the land of Lies and Clockwork? Or is it more of showing Lies being personality based and Clockwork belonging to a Time player?

Random questions are cool. They’re generally easier and take less time to answer so I can do them even when I have other things to do (analyses take too much time to do when I should be studying for finals).

Usually the names of the lands reflect in some way the quest of the player and reference the player’s aspect. So Lies would have something to do with the quest this player would have to complete (it sounds like it could be a political kind of quest) and clockwork would be referencing Time, like you said.

Of course, if class is based on personality, then players with the same class could have similar quests, and therefore similar names. Lies makes me think of classes like Thief and Rogue because the words themselves are related to deception, but it might also fit a Sylph or Maid since the quest might have something to do with fixing the lies or telling the truth instead of perpetuating the lies, like a Thief might be apt to do.

But in the end you can pick whatever class you want. I don’t think it really matters much.

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I am aware that you've been over the Sylph of Void (Sorry if I misspelled something), but I was wondering if you had any idea for weapons. Any kind that could somewhat go along with this title. If you can't think of anything, would you say that daggers controlled by psychic power. To be honest I just need a little feedback. Sorry. :T

There are no typos, and honestly it doesn't matter if you misspell things as long as I know what you're trying to say! You're good. And I'm almost always willing to clarify topics I've already covered.

Anyway, I've always been of the opinion that weapons don't really correspond to claspects as much as they do the person's personal fighting preferences, but if I had to pick something I would probably choose a staff/wand/rod of some sort. These weapons all have (or could have, conceivably) some connection to magic and, to some extent, healing, which is one of the common interpretations for the Sylph class. However, I think that psychic daggers would be fine weapons as well!

In fact, well, not to get off onto too long of a tangent, but the daggers and the Void aspect remind me of the subtle knife from the novel of the same name. In case you don't know, the knife was used to slice open doorways (kind of) to other dimensions, and it could cut pretty much anything, if I remember correctly. While that seems more like a Space kind of thing than a Void kind of thing to me, I do think that the two aspects are closely related to one another and the idea could fit reasonably well with the Void aspect if you tweaked it a little bit. I'm not sure what you might do with that, just a thought.  

I hope I gave you a few ideas!

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What are the chances of survival if one was to play Sburb with 144 people, given that there's exactly one person per God Tier and none are repeats?

It's would be 144 times as difficult assuming everybody manages to prototype, and there are many, many more opportunities for something to go wrong (and, knowing sburb, they often do). Not to mention any kind of cohesive teamwork would be almost impossible. I'd probably give it a 1/10 chance of survival.

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Hussie has done way with the whole 'can only be male or female' rule with classes

This blog has been inactive for a while (like, months) because of school and stuff, so I evidently haven't been able to keep up with the changing times when it comes to descriptions of the classes. The whole gender exclusive rule was dumb anyway, in my opinion. You can expect the class descriptions on the blog to change sometime in the future to reflect this not-so-recent development. Until then, feel free to ignore anything that I have written previously about gender-exclusivity of the classes.

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@etymologicalparoxysm said: tbh i see heirs as an active class (counterpart to page) so perhaps an heir of blood would be able to brand the way to victory in the blood of their enemies and/or use their blood to inspire courage and a renewed sense of purpose to their allies??

This is a possibility too if you think Heirs are active, though I'm not sure how some of those things would work.

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@etymologicalparoxysm said: Nearly everything John did was an example of this! The windy thing was a big part of his growth/development. The non-physical attributes of Breath held much less significance to John’s character (though maybe to other heirs it’d be more important?)

Which is why I said that "yeah [heirs use the most simple form of their aspect], but they use their aspects in more complex and subtle ways too." For example, John makes suggestions sometimes that people (particularly Dave) latch on to, which goes with the Breath in that John is giving direction or helping to shape other people's actions. And there are more examples because the non-physical attributes of Breath show up a lot in John's character if you care to look for them, but I have an essay to write. The whole point here is that both the physical and non-physical parts of Breath are important, and I would say that is true for the rest of the Heirs that we have seen so far in Homestuck as well.

[claspecttheory]

Do you think any heir uses the simplest form of their aspect (ex. breath= wind, doom= death, and void= nothing).

Hmm. Well, I think that there are multiple ways aspects can be used and that some ways are less obvious than others. I think that, to some extent, all classes use their aspects in multiple different ways.

So, to answer your question, I guess I’d say “yeah, but they use their aspect in more complex and subtle ways too,” but just because I think something doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. I think I’ll be proved wrong about quite a few things as soon as we get an update! But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

[claspecttheory]

what do you think an heir of blood's physical powers might manifest as?

It's hard to say exactly what blood players' physical powers might be, since we've never seen them in action (hopefully the next update will take care of that!) but going along with the theory that Heirs passively manipulate their aspects, maybe an Heir of Blood might affect the blood of their enemies negatively. Maybe the Heir causes blood to coagulate while in the bloodstream, leading to heart attacks and strokes? Maybe the Heir of Blood is so ornery that they unintentionally give people heart attacks?

[claspecttheory]

when do you think we will get to ask session askes again?

Well... Maybe when I make more progress on the title analyses or when I have some free time I'll do session asks again.

[claspecttheory]

Can you do the seer of mind??

The Seer of Mind is one who gains knowledge through (or "sees") their aspect, which represents choice, perspective, and the mind. This is Terezi Pyrope's title.

In canon, Terezi can "see" (figuratively speaking) the consequences of people's choices, and can therefore take action in guiding her teammates to make the right choices so the best outcome can be reached. The best example of this is when Terezi "sees" the outcome of Vriska's decison to fight Jack, and "guides her to make the right choice" by literally stabbing her in the back.

This could be a very useful title for a leader because you would know the inevitable outcomes of your teammates' choices and would be able to lead them effectively, making sure they make the right choices so the best outcome can be reached.

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I know you're busy with claspects right now but could I add another to the pile? I know it's a canon title but I don't fully understand it and it's my claspect as well, so if you have time could you explain Slyph of Light?

It's okay, I do all sorts of titles, canon and noncanon.

A Sylph of Light would heal others with Light, which is an aspect that can represent luck and knowledge. This happens to be Aranea Serket's title.

In some cases, this healing may be literal, like when Aranea heals Terezi's eyes. It isn't clear whether Aranea can heal any injury with her light powers, or if she was only able to heal Terezi's eyes because the eyes are one of the main ways trolls and humans acquire knowledge, which is under Light's job description, so to speak. I'm inclined to believe that a Sylph of Light would be able to heal any difficulties with the senses, including mental issues, since those can interfere with the accumulation and interpretation of knowledge as well.

In a more non-literal way (as so many titles have both a literal and not-so-literal interpretation), Aranea heals other's lack of knowledge. In short, she always has some information to give out to "heal" (so to speak) other's ignorance.

I hope this helps!