I was able to have a chat with Luke and Rob from Otherkin before their Cardiff show, talking about writing songs, Idols, and Brittney Spears.
What inspired you to become a band and write music?
âI think we were all just really just musical when we were younger and all really into bandsâ Luke reminisced, âgoing to gig and going to concerts and itâs something that you gravitate towards and want to do because it looks like the funnest thing in the world and it is.â
âYeah, I mean I played in bands since I was 11 years old and pretty much never stopped so. I guess itâs all I know really.â Rob was able to show off his music ability, âItâs either that or sports so and the football team didnât want me so.â
âStar goal keeperâ Luke added, not sure whether to tell more about his sporting past.
âI was actually quite a good goal keeper, but letâs not get into thatâ Rob was quick to boast.
Whatâs your favourite song youâve ever written?
âI think, my personal favourite is a song thatâs called âYeah, I Knowâ I like that song a lotâ Luke was quick to point out, with Rob agreeing with the answer.âYeah, just because, I guess itâs a bit of a different sound from a lot of the other things we do, and Iâm not gonna say itâs an unusual song, but it definitely works really weirdly. Thereâs no real chorus and thereâs no verseâ Luke explained the make-up of the song.
âYeah, well we were drunk when we wrote it, but I canât remember how we wrote it, âcause itâs a really weird songâ agreed Rob. âAnd it seems to be a fan favourite too.â
âWe always tend to leave it pretty late into the set so it, it tends to get pretty, pretty rowdy. Which is the way we like it.â So you know how to react when you hear this song.
Whatâs the meaning behind your band name, and where did it come from?
âThis is actually a question for Connor, our guitarist, because we had been looking for a band name for Iâd say about six months, and it was awfulâ Luke was quick to pass the blame. âYeah, we tend to be really bad at naming things anyway. We have a song of ours, called Enabler, which we played for about a year and a half before it got released which we used to call âSlow and Heavyâ because it was, slow and heavy. That was the name for a year and a half.â
âIt was actually when we went into record the album, we were forced to give it a real name.â Rob confessed.
âPeople actually wanted to keep the name âSlow and Heavyââ Luke didnât sound too pleased at some members contribution.
Rob continued, telling the story of how Connor âfound an article in a magazine basically, that said the word âOtherkinâ and we didnât do any research into what it meant, and we were like yeah, that sounds great. Then found out it was this crazy online subculture, who constantly message us asking if weâre representing them. Weâre not.â
âItâs a bunch of goth kids in America, basically, who are on twitter a lot. They are!â Luke added, to help us understand the youth culture they unknowingly represent.
âThey all think theyâre half animal and stuff. Theyâre not, theyâre quite obviously humans.â Rob added.
âTheyâre actually quite nice. Theyâll say stuff like, we like the music but what does this have to do with Otherkin. And we never really have a good answer.â So if you wanted to do some research yourself by contacting the band, Luke has warned you about their not-so-good answers.
âYeah, weâll take the piss and say that sometimes we are representing them.â Rob joked. â People seem to hate that subculture, like they fucking hate it. If you look at twitter, they hate it. Itâs always like fuck Otherkin, those guys are dickheads, so itâs never about us, I think.â
âYeah, itâs hard to know. But weâll always re-tweet itâ Luke laughed, so if you ever give a bad review they wonât be 100% sure itâs for them.
What is a song that you wish you wrote?
âI love, âTomorrow Knowsâ by the Beatles, thatâs a fucking dandy song, and that would have been a pretty cool feeling to have written that song.â Luke was quick to comment. âToxic, Britney Spears.â
âYeahâ Rob was quick to agree.
âYeah, actually I would have liked to have written that song.â At this point Luke looks regretful of his first answer.
âYeah, made a lot of fucking money from that songâ Rob agreed. âFinal answer, Toxic,â Rob confirmed.
What style of clothing do you try to go for?
âI think like, well we quite obviously dress in a certain way, but I think itâs just, I donât know, I think quite a lot of the bands that we look up to, like the Ramones and the Libertines (well I do anyway), itâs just sticking to classic leather jackets and we just kinda stick to that.â Rob answered, looking down at his own black jeans and leather jacket.
âItâs very easy to wear as well, you knowâ Luke added, also looking at his outfit choice today.
âIf everything you own is black, then you donât have to put much effort into it. Exactlyâ Rob laughs, pointing to my outfit of a black tshirt and black jeans. âThe perks of it all.â
âIâd hate to be in the Vampire Weekend or something, where they have to have a new polo shirt every day, and a new cardigan. Whereas we can wear the same clothes every day.â Luke thought of the horror of owning more than two shirts.
âWhat, are you trying to start beef with the Vampire Weekend?â Rob warned.
How do you feel about the role that the internet plays in the music industry?
âItâs destroyed it, but itâs also kind of, opened up a lot of opportunities I guess.â Rob said after a few moments of thought.
âYeah, itâs a double edged sword, in the way. As in, I guess the way it used to be in the 80s and 90s, where that you would have a very small minority of bands that would get elevated in a way that you could ever get to hear about them. Whereas, at least now you know, people in Argentina could have hared of us, whereas, if we hadnât been elevated back in the 90s they would never of hared of us. Itâs democratised.â Luke said, giving an insightful thought into the internet music industry.
âPeople in Japan and Jamaica. God bless the internet I guess.â Rob added.
âItâs really democratised the music industry in a way. And it is beneficial for bands, who donât have a lot of main stream appeal, because they can get out and tour and make enough money by selling stuff through the internet, like merchandise, and what not, or promoting for themselves. Whereas those bands would not have stood a chance 20/30 years ago. So itâs cool from that perspective.â Luke added.
âBut nobody pays for music anymore, so.â Rob was able to draw a negative from the internet. â So thatâs kinda shit. Just the reality of it I guess.â
Name a band or artist that you think are underrated
âYakâ Luke was very quick to suggest.
âYeah, Yak is a good one.â Rob was quick to confirm. âTheyâre fucking amazing, weâve seen them a few times. I get why they donât get the main stream appeal, because itâs pretty heavy stuff. Itâs amazing, but it wasnât a very busy show, which is sad to see.â
âI feel like, theyâre not really a band that are not necessarily underrated, because Iâd say the reviews of their album are really strong so, theyâre just underrated by the public I guess. And they deserve to be, deserve to be known.â Luke added.
âThe band Idols. We actually met, the bassist last night.â Rob added to the list of underrated bands.
âYeah, heâs pulling pints. Really nice guy, theyâre off to play with the Progedy this week.â Luke pointed out, so theyâre not that underrated then?
âTheyâre about to not be underrated, theyâre playing huge gigs now.â Rob amended his previous statement.
Whatâs your favourite and least favourite venue to play at?
âItâs called Jimmyâs in Manchesterâ Rob pointed out with little hesitation.
âYeah, it was pretty shit. It was only open and they were really unequipped. It would probably be a really nice venue to play in,â Luke added, just in case anyone who works there sees their bad review.
âIt was a bar with a stage essentially,â Rob said, painting a more vivid picture of the venue.
âYeah, I think theyâve improved it nowâ Luke added.
âThat place was shite, the one in Sheffield. I mean, weâve had a few exceptionally shit gigs,â Rob reminisced about their Sheffield gig.
âAt The Rocking Chair, well that is not a good venue. And weâve played two soul destroying gigs there. And weâre pretty used to like, playing to nobody, but these were extremely difficult gigs. Itâs like literally no one at one of them.â Luke added,â So yeah, there are two answers for worst venue. Best venue.â
âBest venue. Paradise in Amsterdam, itâs pretty good. Itâs an old church, that theyâve changed. Thatâs like what, 2,000 +â Rob suggested, pretty quickly.
âYeah, we played a festival there,â Luke added, clearly remembering the amazing impression that the venue had for him.
âIâd say Europe as well, they just do everything.â So I can guess where Rob wants to spend more time touring.
âAny places in England that are pretty good?â Luke asked the question I was ready to know the answer for.
âWe played the Deaf Institute the other night. Iâd never been there before. Especially since we played a shit gig the night before in Manchester, so that was actually an amazing show. They had a fully vegan menu as well. That doesnât happen very often.â So there you have it, any vegan Otherkin fans know the gig to go to.
Could you describe your process of writing songs?
âThere isnât really a process,â Rob shamefully admitted.
âYeah, we just stand in a room with our instruments on us and play things and if it works it works, if not we just, bicker for a bit then hope something good comes alongâ Luke joins in, giving us an insight into the inner workings of Otherkin.
âOh, you should see the fightsâ Rob jokes, and by the smirk on his face I guess he wins most of them.
âNo, itâs very democratic.â Luke was quick to amend his band mateâs comment. âIf someone has an idea they play it, if other people enjoy it then they join in.â
âIf no one likes it, they donât join in. They just wonât play alongâ Rob jokes, they both laugh, evidently enjoying the extremely democratic process.
âMaybe someday weâll get fancy, and go to a studio and write songs there.â Luke dreams.
âBut for now weâll just thrash it out in a room together. Hopefully not forever, because there are definitely better ways of writing songs than how we currently do it. All of us just blasting music as each other, trying to decide what to do.â Rob joins in.
âWe donât really have the patience to sit down with acoustic guitars and write songs. We do that the odd time, but the majority of the songs that we do are done by just being in a room.â Luke remembers the evidently painful times he has actually attempted to write a song.
âI wish there was a formula; it would be a lot easier if there was.â Rob joins in on Lukeâs dream. âWeâre drunk sometimes, that helps. But sometimes weâll just write the shittest songs. Weâre just faking it basically. Sometimes songs just come out and youâre just like yeah cool.â Rob tells me.
âWeâll let you know when we have a proper answer.â Luke assures me (I still havenât received one though)
What have been some of your biggest challenges as a band so far?
âIâd say cracking in was the start, because weâre Irish, itâs quite tough,â Rob admits. âWe donât get to tour here as often as English bands; because they can tour then just go home. Whereas we have to do a three week shift, which means weâre playing on a Monday night gig, when sane people play on the weekends. Itâs a lot easier to sell out a Friday night show than a Monday night show. But, I think, luckily its started to change. We had an amazing Reading-Leeds, we played it last year.â Rob said, a little more positively than he started.
âYeah, it seems to be getting better.â Luke agrees. âI know weâve done some tours that have been really grim. Itâs one of those things where the English bands weâve played with, we toured with the Amazons a while back and they said theyâd done the tent that weâd been in four times. That was our first time being there. So itâs quite difficult for us, because weâve probably spent the same amount of time being in a band, but spent a fraction of the time in England which is where we try to be.â
âBut, weâd sell pretty big shows in Ireland, but thatâs because we play there often. Whereas, over here, this is our first time in Cardiff, especially since weâve got an album out.â Rob continued.
âWhich is mad, itâs mad considering we have an album out but itâs just the way it is.â Luke states.
âAnd especially when youâre in Ireland thereâs essentially three cities you can play in. Whereas where, there are fucking like, 29 or something. Everyone is like, bigger than Dublin, which is the main city in Ireland.â Rob admits, not bothering to name all 29.
âSo I think thatâs been our biggest challenge, us trying to crack the UK.â Luke returns to the question after some consideration. âAnd even still trying to crack the UK, like we could do a show in a certain city in the country and get nobody and we want to be at the stage now where we want to be able to know where weâre going to draw a crowd. Itâs just difficult to be, in Ireland. We just have to be expecting that things are happening over here when weâre not here. At least in Ireland we know how well weâre doing there because we live there, we canât do that in the UK. Thatâs the biggest challenge.â
âThereâs probably a way better answer, but I canât think of one right now.â So I take it that Rob isnât too keen on the answer that he gave.
âSong writing?â Luke suggests, laughing.
âSong writing! Yeah, Jesus. Playing instruments, thatâs a good one.â Rob adds, maybe a little too enthusiastically.
Whatâs a popular music opinion you have?
âI donât particularly like the Beatles.â Rob happily admits.
â Yeah, thatâs really unpopularâ Luke is obviously still sore about this subject.
âNo, I appreciate the fact, like I know that theyâre a very influential band, but I was never a Beatles person. And Iâve met people who are the same, so I know itâs not just me.â Rob defends his opinion.
âHe doesnât really like Radiohead, which is bad.â Luke adds, still clearly appalled by his band mateâs music choices.