Indie Then and Now (Talk Show/Source Dialogue)
On the stage of a talk show. Only the host is talking and introducing the authors coming on stage.
Me
Hello ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jake Weaver-Thompson and welcome to Late Night With JWT. We have a wonderful show for you tonight. We will be talking about Indie Then and Now; mainly how indie has changed throughout the years. For us to really dig deep into this subject, I have for you, five of the best authors of Indie pieces to help us dive in. Our first author is an American author, journalist, and an editor. Please welcome the author of Our Band Could Become Your Life, Michael Azerrad.
(Crowd cheers while Michael comes out on stage and he shakes my hand)
Next, we have an American historical analyst, historian, journalist, and he wrote Alternative to What? and Why Johnny Can’t Dissent. Mr. Thomas Frank everybody.
(Crowd cheers while Thomas comes out on stage and he shakes my hand)
Me
We also have an editor, journalist, and he wrote The Decade of Indie, Nitsuh Abebe.
(Crowd cheers while Nitsuh comes out on stage and he shakes my hand)
Me
Next to come on our show is writer, she works at University of California, Berkeley, and wrote Slanted and Enchanted, Ms. Kaya Oakes.
(Crowd cheers while Kaya comes out on stage and he shakes my hand)
Me
Lastly, ladies and gentlemen, we have an American nonfiction writer and poet who wrote Republic of Outsiders, Ms. Alissa Quart.
(Crowd cheers while Alissa comes out on stage and he shakes my hand. Everyone is on set for the first time sitting on chairs and the couch)
Me
How is everyone doing this fine evening?
Michael, Thomas, Alissa, Kaya, and Nitsuh
Doing well, thank you. Thanks for having all of us on your show.
Me
Oh, it’s my pleasure. We won’t beat around the bush. Let’s dive into our topic tonight. Indie Then and Now. My first question for all of you is this: How do each of you define indie, and has in changed at all?
Michael Azerrad
How I would define indie and what that word really means is “DIY, do it yourself.” Another thing that indie is, is this: “purism and authenticity as well as idealism about the power of music.”
Alissa Quart
I would have to agree with Michael on that. I would also like to add that indie is “today social rebels may try to bypass major manufacturers or conventional distributors.” By saying this, I mean to do things independently. In the words of Michael Azarrad, do it yourself.
Me
That’s very good stuff. I never thought about it like that. Thank you Alissa and Michael. What would you say defines indie Nitsuh?
Nitsuh Abebe
I would say that indie, in today’s society, has become the norm. “It’s not just the music, either. I don’t know quite when it happened, but at some point a certain vague strain of ‘indie’ dropped its last vestiges of seeming weird and became a commonplace.”
Kaya Oakes
I would completely agree. Indie has become the norm in all senses. Look at Urban Outfitters. “The success of a retail chain that has exploited indie music and blatantly borrowed from crafting and DIY styles. Urban outfitters… was a junction in tune with the hippie counterculture and its taste for handcrafting.”
Thomas Frank
I think Kaya hit it right on the head. “Forget the music; what we are seeing in just another overhaul of the rebel ideology that has fueled business culture ever since the 1960s, a new entrant in the long parade of ‘countercultural’ entrepreneurship.” Corporations are killing the indie mindset and what it all stands for.
Me
Wow, these are all great points. Indie has definitely changed of the years. Alright, we are going to take a short break. When we come back, my indie is coming our way.
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Me
Welcome back to Late Night with JWT. If you are just joining us, to get you caught up, we are talking about Indie then and now. I just asked our guest how they would define indie. My next question for them is what was indie like in its early years.
Thomas Frank
Indie, when it began, was all about being independent and going away from the conventional norms of society. I think Michael would agree with that point.
Michael Azarrad
Haha, yes I do. DIY is what indie was all about. Be independent and stop relying on others.
Kaya Oakes
Indie was more than music then. It was about the underground community and culture. It was the mindset that you have.
Nitsuh Abebe
For me, my favorite part of Indie was the music. That has changed though now.
Alissa Quart
Indie was all about the amateurs, dreamers, and rebels. It was going against the norm and corporations.
Me
More great points of how indie was in the early days. My last question for our guests is this: what has indie turned into and do you like the path that it is taking?
Kaya Oakes
Indie has adopted its opposite. Indie is no longer indie. Indie is the norm in today’s society making it not indie. Everywhere you look, there indie is. The internet and clothing companies are the main reasons why indie has become the norm.
Alissa Quart
Indie went from nonconformists to conformists. I hate the direction indie is headed.
Michael Azarrad
I’d prefer to not even talk about the path indie has taken. It makes me sick. The meaning of indie took a complete 180 and headed in the other direction.
Nitsuh Abebe
Preach brother, preach. I couldn't agree more. Indie music has even changed and split into two different groups. We have the mainstream side and the alternative side. We have a MAINSTREAM side. Are you serious?!? That’s the opposite of what we were about. It is disgusting how indie has changed over a short period of time.
Thomas Frank
The only thing I have to say is this: consumerism is indie now and I can’t stand it. Big business has changed indie forever.
Me
This is great stuff you guys. I would love to continue this discussion, but we are just out of time. Thanks for joining us today. We will see you tomorrow right here on the Late Night with JWT. Have a good night!!!