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[damnedbeauty]

Had interpreted 1st tag as playful bashing but then scrolled down and saw another post 'It's not hard to be normal because *I* succeeded in it with just a lil bit of effort'. O wow so I'm not sayin' you might be a bit dim (in terms of trying to bolster obviously wrong propos with even weaker arguments re: normal) - but rather it's suuuuper obnoxious to never ever reference anything other than *oneself* whilst at the same time really constantly opining on how things are.

and I'm suprised you're not aware of that at all, being as normal as you're convinced yourself to be.

[damnedbeauty]

whatever floats ya boat yn but its sad when a photographer's genuinely good effort at harnessing that sort of brittle yet enormous strength that o'toole somehow possessed is just straight up ignored

[deadpanwalking]

[damnedbeauty]

Had interpreted 1st tag as playful bashing but then scrolled down and saw another post 'It's not hard to be normal because *I* succeeded in it with just a lil bit of effort'. O wow so I'm not sayin' you might be a bit dim (in terms of trying to bolster obviously wrong propos with even weaker arguments re: normal) - but rather it's suuuuper obnoxious to never ever reference anything other than *oneself* whilst at the same time really constantly opining on how things are.

and I'm suprised you're not aware of that at all, being as normal as you're convinced yourself to be.

[damnedbeauty]

the closing scene of dundee is so good (this is not for tears press conference scene got nothing on her). the put-downs by marcia and ewan sounded all the more cutting contrasted with cox's whispery delivery. and the "we last saw her when you were five and I was four - but you know what kind of journalism she would have approved of?" god.

[damnedbeauty]

that’s why i remain somewhat unsure whether leaving that voicemail to logan (expressing his disappointment and anger on such a visceral level "are you a cunt?" despite dressing it in light-heartedness) was what roman would have been capable of. none of the roy kids could express their disappointment with logan without the pretense of morality/business/deserving etc because these language gave them moral leverage, absolved them from self-examination, and most importantly, protected them from contemplating the possibility that logan would never change and everything they did was in vain. theoretically roman’s best placed to be the one who could do it because he’s always been quite eager to communicate in such a way but the immense pressure to do otherwise is always there - especially when he’s aware that he’s defying logan’s will.

[oreganosbaby]

i think the difference btwn roman and the siblings, regarding his view of the company and logan, is that he doesn't really abide by a system of "deserving" or "morality" so, he never has to express his disappointment in such a way. like, roman doesn't think he "deserves" anything for being "good," wherein "good" is transcendent/universal. for roman, "good" is merely determined by logan's subjectivity and roman doesn't even have to really agree with it or even totally adhere to it, just appear to logan as though he does. ultimately, roman feels as though logan's power over him is the most real and it is something they both agree on to some extent-- a child is beneath the father, the feminine is inferior to the masculine, etc.

roman's question is said out of frustration, disappointment and fear but, i wouldn't say anger and certainly not indignation. it read as another way of asking logan if this is "real." it shows him trying to come to terms with the fact that logan may never love him the way he wants him to. this was hinted at before when roman gestured at leaving when logan said he needed someone "ruthless." roman knows he's not that and logan saying this might mean that he doesn't want him as he is, that he just needs someone to fill a spot. roman stays when logan flatters roman's intelligence, something logan has often dismissed or outright denied but that roman seems to believe in. logan does fuck up a bit by saying that the "needs" roman rather than "wants" him which of course, still communicates the idea that roman's just a body filling a spot. roman accepts this regardless because it's this or his fickle distrustful siblings who want to kill dad. the hope, for roman, is that he might not have to act as a "killer" again, to do things he feels uncomfortable with. the disappointment comes when logan tasks him with this final disciplinary measure to fire (kill) gerri, in response to his decision to go to connor's wedding over sweden. when logan asked roman one last time about sweden, he even said that matsson likes him because he "keeps it light," the closest logan could ever get to admitting roman's main use is being a honeypot trap. so, when roman asks logan if he's "being a cunt," he sees logan's "being a cunt" as hurtful but ultimately, not "wrong." roman simply isn't "the one" and that's okay even if it hurts, that's logan's decision and what can roman really do about that? like, it's not even defying logan's will because at that point, roman interprets logan's will as one that will reject him anyway.

[damnedbeauty]

I didn't articulate it well and what I meant was from the writing's point of view, I didn't think Roman would express her disappointment at all because, unlike Kendall and Shiv, the logical conclusion of Roman's "anger" at Logan would be to just give up. and to me, that sort of came in conflict with the premise that all of them wanted to be loved by Logan no matter what. I think while Ken and Shiv took the recourse of "rightness" mainly because they were interested in affirming their images of being better than Logan, they were also doing it because they still wanted Logan's approval and recognition. their anger came out of their need to be loved the way they wanted. I was mainly having trouble with the idea that Roman would have uniquely come to accept that what she wanted was impossible, especially since she had previously accepted that Logan apparently still wanted her to be the son he needed. but i can see how it does make sense because she just felt extra disappointed and really needed to vent that day. btw thanks so much for your analysis it was a pleasure to read as always and you don't need to apologise for how well you think it's written lol. I glanced at the tag and almost mistook you calling my op insane and I was like, yea fair enough :)

[spaceandfiction]

Roman Roy is a great example of the fact that fascism plays towards a strong man mentality but is in fact, fundamentally, a weak ideology. It appeals to people’s fears and that is why it especially appeals to the weak, to the insecure, and to those who want to hide those features of themselves.

[damnedbeauty]

the closing scene of dundee is so good (this is not for tears press conference scene got nothing on her). the put-downs by marcia and ewan sounded all the more cutting contrasted with cox's whispery delivery. and the "we last saw her when you were five and I was four - but you know what kind of journalism she would have approved of?" god.

[damnedbeauty]

that’s why i remain somewhat unsure whether leaving that voicemail to logan (expressing his disappointment and anger on such a visceral level "are you a cunt?" despite dressing it in light-heartedness) was what roman would have been capable of. none of the roy kids could express their disappointment with logan without the pretense of morality/business/deserving etc because these language gave them moral leverage, absolved them from self-examination, and most importantly, protected them from contemplating the possibility that logan would never change and everything they did was in vain. theoretically roman’s best placed to be the one who could do it because he’s always been quite eager to communicate in such a way but the immense pressure to do otherwise is always there - especially when he’s aware that he’s defying logan’s will.

[damnedbeauty]

the closing scene of dundee is so good (this is not for tears press conference scene you will never be her). the put-downs by marcia and ewan sounded all the more cutting contrasted with cox's whispery delivery. and the "we last saw her when you were five and I was four - but you know what kind of journalism she would have approved of?" god.