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[eliaweek]

✨ELIA WEEK IS HERE!!✨

From June 1st - June 7th, we are celebrating our beloved princess!

𖤓 WHAT IS ELIA WEEK?

A week-long event dedicated to fanart, fanfic, and edits—anything and everything Elia! Each day has a new prompt to inspire you, and we can’t wait to see what you all create! This is also a reminder that you do not have to adhere to the daily prompts and can create the content you’d like, as long as it’s about Elia.

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[danyakgae]

They're so hypocritical, saying Rheaelya is horrible but at the same time pairing her with Rheagar, the same guy they hate, the same guy who abandoned her and didn't care about her at all. They're so two-faced, criticizing Rhaelya but sharing fan art of them happy and in love.

once again, i don't know who 'they' are! if you're talking about rhaelias. then sorry, i'm not a shipper. i hate that ship. but hey at least they're both adults. that's the only pro.

[danyakgae]

Apparently, Lyanna's greatest crime, according to them, is being a hypocrite and falling in love with someone other than the true culprits, like Tywin Gregor, in Elia's death. The blame falls on Lyanna; they prefer that Lyanna be brutalized by Robert instead of the more privileged woman, Elia Martell.

first, who is this mysterious "them" you're talking about? i'm going to assume elia fans. but i suppose i could be wrong. you realise most elia fans (at least the ones w basic media literacy) blame ratgar. yk, the adult crown prince who was already married with two children. the one who publicly humiliated his wife at the tournney. the one who then disappeared with a 15-year-old girl and kicking off a chain of events that ended in war and the deaths of thousands. sure lyanna was maybe a little bit hypocritical, but who isn't at that age. rhaegar's the grown ass man.

second of all, everyone knows tywin and gregor are massive bums and terrible people. no one's not blaming them. have u ever seen an elia fan excusing gregor or tywin? no. we all know gregory, tywin, amory loch and areas are to blame. but the reason not many ppl always yap on about that, is because everyone knows they suck. no one's out here romanticising them the way they do w rhaegar. plus, i have seen a lot of people writing comments about tywin's involvement with the death of elia and her kids in tiktok's glazing him.

third, elia was not more 'privileged' than lyanna in any meaningful way here. both were daughters of a great lord/lady (warden of the north vs. the princess of dorne). elia being rhaegars wife clearly didn't grant her much protection at the end of the day. she was still abandoned in king's landing during the sack. her supposed more 'privilege' as a princess didn't save her or her children from being raped and murdered.

and can we stop dragging robert into every defense of rhaegar? yes, robert became a terrible person and almost certainly would have been a awful husband to lyanna. hes' a rapist and a bum and a fat-ass. but that still doesn't justify or excuse rhaegar abandoning his wife and children to run away with a teenager. "robert would have been worse" whilst might be true, is not the clever gotcha you think it is. it's just whataboutism.

at the end of the day, it's possible to acknowledge that multiple women in this story got screwed over by the men around them without turning it into a weird oppression olympics.

[danyakgae]

Because Elia's stans are obsessed with Lyanna, they'd prefer Lyanna to be raped by Robert because they're interested in a character they hate. Well, I don't blame them. Elia as a character is boring and bland; her death was the only relevant thing. Fake feminists.

wow, congrats on saying absolutely nothing while also somehow managing to misuse the word 'feminist' in the same breath. anyway, let's talk about this mess, anon!

why does lyanna always have to revolve around a man in these arguments? the only two options you people ever offer are 'perfect savior prince rhaegar' or 'evil rapist abusing stupid robert' (and yes, robert does suck, but that's not the point). lyanna was a wild, willful and brave girl, who hated the idea of being sold off in a political marriage. so why is the assumption always that she must end up with one of these two? as if she couldn't have found her own path, or at least deserved better than either of them. the fact that you immediately jump to 'if you don't ship her with rhaegar, you must want her raped by robert' says way more about your mindset than anything elia stans have ever said.

some elia fans do get weirdly fixated on Lyanna - sure, i have seen my fair share of disgusting comments. but the same is true in reverse for people like you who are obsessed with tearing elia down. caling her "boring and bland" because she was gentle, kind and dignified? god forbid a woman in these books isn't a sword-swinging badass or a machiavellian schemer. god forbid she's a nice person who does her duty! god forbid! ykw you're right, elia being a nice person and being kind to tyrion is worse thing that ANYONE's ever done in asoiaf! she's the worst! just the way that elia handled handled being married to a man who (at minimum) publicly humiliated her, is interesting as hell if you actually care about characterisation in books.

saying 'her death was the only relevant thing' about elia applies equally to lyanna and rhaegar. that's literally the entire point of the characters from robert's rebellion. it's almost as if grrm uses these 'off-screen' tragedies to drive the current story, deepen multiple POV characters and explore the horrific human cost of war and prophecy. killing elia and her babies wasn't just for shock value, it shows how robert's reign was built on the slaughter of innocents, how the tywin lannister is a monster and why dorne still wants revenge decades later. reducing any of them to "only their death mattered" is a shallow and surface-level read. but considering your analysis levels, i am not surprised.

also if you're going to throw words around and call people 'fake feminists', which is ironic considering your whole note reeks of misogyny, at least be brave enough to do it without anon on. lmao. coward.

[danyakgae]

i don't know if her fans discern this but there is something tragically ironic and hypocritical about lyanna's fate.

she did not want to marry robert because he had bastards before marriage and would be unfaithful (&she was not wrong; we hate bobby b in da house) but then she ran away with an unfaithful MARRIED man who already had 2 KIDS - he was cheating on his wife WITH HER and SHE HAD HIS BASTARD??? like girl the hypocrisy is???

unless she was actually forced, grrm was definitely playing irony/hypocrisy here because how can you blame one guy for having pre marriage bastards as a reason to not marry him WHEN you supposedly love a married guy who is actively cheating on his wife and having bastards with you...

imo grrm meant rhelya story more as a tragedy than romance. it's a cautionary tale in westeros more than a romantic one. aside from the personal harm, their elopement was a major inducement to war, consequently overthrowing targ dynasty amidst much bloodshed. as a dany fan, i blame aerys and rhaegar more than ned, arryn or robert for her exile from westeros. dany's father and brother were largely responsible for the whole mess, the others especially ned were only reacting to their actions.

also even if one removes the factor of rhaegar having wife and kids from rh*elya equation (a factor which is very important within the main storyline) a 14 year old minor groomed to elope by an adult man for prophecy sake and her ending up dead alone away from home is in NO WAY romantic to me. him having wife and kids makes the whole deal worse. it's gross and people who ship them are disturbing.

i really do believe that rha*lya is, in fact, meant to make readers question things and create discomfort. as much as i love elia's character, i do believe a large part of her creation was to make the readers uncomfortable with rhaegar's actions. even if they weren't in love, it doesn't excuse the humiliation rhaegar caused her at harrenhal and him abandoning his wife after she nearly died giving birth to his two kids. if grrm wanted rhaelya to purely be an epic romance, lovey-dovey couple, he would've omitted rhaegar being married (unless grrm has a cheating kink, then that's a whole different matter)... so, i do agree with your point! they are definitely meant to be tragic rather than romantic.

i mean, even some of grrm's comparisons to them include romeo and juliet (aka THE most tragic couple, probs idk) and some incredibly questionable and problematic pairings as seen below:

(if you didn't know, paula jones was an employee under bill clinton and sued him for SA. sally hemming was thomas jefferson's slave... tbf grrm was quite insensitive for this comparison)

but i do believe regardless of maybe the initial infatuation between the pair, i like to theorise that lyanna did want to go home after hearing what happened to rickard and brandon (tho i suppose rhaegar could've just not told her, which doesn't help the situation). plus, this whole situation for me just screams teenage hormones and impulsiveness from lyanna's side. the poor girl didn't want to marry robert (fair enough) and she was clearly looking for a way out. i believe even if lyanna never met rhaegar, she would've tried to run away or find another out from the marriage.

i've already stated this multiple times but we always hear about how rhaegar was in love and yadda yadda. but we never get a perspective from lyanna. i do believe lyanna loved jon, but she probs regretted doing what she did. i mean she was 16 when she died, ik looking back i regret stuff i did at 16. bc at that age, we aren't adults. we are still children, regardless of westeros' age of consent.

also for the whole daenerys + exile situation, i do agree that aerys possesses 80% of the blame. but i hate when people pretend rhaegar was completely innocent. if broski didn't run away/kidnap lyanna, this whole rebellion could have at least been avoided or postponed. which would have given him time to kill aerys. or idk deal with him. ik rhaegar's whole trope is love is the death of duty, but when your father's as batshit crazy as aerys, i think it's more important to do your duty. also the reason robert hated the targaryens that much was a largely due to rhaegar taking lyanna...

anyway, sorry i yapped again! but yes anon, i do think rhaelya is definitely more nuanced than romantic star-crossed lovers (sorry i'm writing this half-asleep, it probably doesn't make much sense!)

[danyakgae]

Rhaelyas think they're the only ones who "understand" Lyanna's character, and according to them, anyone who disagrees is a misogynistic Lyanna hater who wants to take away her agency and wishes her the worst.

It's disgusting how on Twitter they say Lyanna is adult coded and that Rhaelya is consensual because "Lyanna is an adult by Westeros standards" 💀 Like, they should just admit their proship is problematic, stop using abusive rhetoric, and move on. They also accuse others of being "fake Lyanna stans" just because they don't ship her with Rhaegar lmao.

i agree with you anon! (sorry in advance, this might be a long tangent)

i am trying to learn to be more understanding of other people's perspectives and to consider why they think things in a certain way. therefore, i do think that everyone can have different understandings of certain characters especially for characters like lyanna who we only learn about from other people's perspectives.

however, in the whole rhaegar and lyanna situation, ultimately i think the agency she had was a lot less than everyone thinks. ok and hear me out.

yes, lyanna was strong-willed and brave, no one can argue with that. but the fact is that she was only 14 when she met rhaegar and around 15 when she disappeared withhim. at that age, even someone with a personality like lyanna's is still very young. how much of what she felt was genuine mature love, vs a mix of teenage hormones, infatuation and desperation to escape her betrothal to robert.

just imagine yourself in that situation, you are actively trying to get out of an engagement with a cheating man and in comes the beautiful, soft-spoken and kind crown prince. he most likely presents you with a solution to all your problems and to escape a future that you don't wish to have. that sort of power imbalance speaks for itself.

yes, even though rhaelyas love to mention that the legal age of consent in westeros is around 16, but this doesn't change human biology. for example, an 18 year old is considered legal in our world. but if she started dating a man who's quite a bit older than her, people still are wary about the relationship because of the difference in brain development and each person's maturity levels. we all know that the prefrontal cortex doesn't fully mature until early-mid 20s. when rhaegar and lyanna met, rhaegar was nearing that stage while lyanna was far from it. in other words, lyanna's brain is simply not wired the same way as rhaegar's, regardless of westerosi society treating them both as adults. (and unless grrm explicitly states that people in his world have fundamentally different neurology, we have to go with real human biology as the baseline).

anyway, the bottom line is that, lyanna and rhaegar is a controversial ship whether the rhaelyas want to accept that or not. sorry that ws such a tangent.

[danyakgae]

Elia's fans hate 14-year-old Lyanna instead of focusing on Miss Elia. I couldn't hold my husband Martell's attention.

first if you're so cool, then don't send these types of asks anonymously. that's a coward's way to go about it, but then again, i'm not surprised.

second of all:

I couldn't hold my husband Martell's attention.

i'm not even sure what that means? elia's husband wasn't a martell. lmao go read the actual books.

third of all, you rhaelyas are the BIGGEST hypocrites in this fandom. you say that elia couldn't hold rhaegar's attnetion and that lyanna could - essentially painting lyanna as some seductress who stole him way (which is a disgusting and disturbing way to put it). however, the moment anyone criticises lyanna, you pivot and insist she was just a 14-year-old girl who shouldn't be blamed or hated.

so which is it? was she an innocent and blamless child who didn't understand what eh was doing? or was she a coold badass warrior who chose to run off with the crown prince? you can't just cherry-pick whichever 'trope' to fit lyanna in different contexts.

you guys commission artwork of rhaegar and lyanna having sex in the tower of joy (which is so weird btw bc if lyanna existed rn she couldn't even be allowed see the artwork bc she's not even 18), but then whenever ppl then say how lyanna should at least have some blame (not all ofc, it's 99.9% rhaegar's fault), you all come roaring and screaming 'NO SHE WAS A KID SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND!'

do you lot see the hypocrisy or are you just too blinded by your weird ass fantasies?

ofc there are some hardcore elia stans who baselessly hate on lyanna, which is also disgusting. but you guys act as if all elia stans do that, which simply isn't true. there are also lyanna fans calling elia slurs, but most other normal lyanna fans are nice or neutral about elia. painting all elia fans as rabid haters is just as unfair as the reverse.

P.S. (this being said, i do think lyanna's character is more nuanced than either of the two tropes. but for the sake of this anon, i'm not gonna go into it, as they obviously wouldn't understand character analysis any deeper than a puddle)

so, please, grow up. if lyanna existed irl, she would probably hate you as her fan considering she's actually a kind person.

[danyakgae]

i saw a comment today saying how in the show, daenerys and jon's child would've been azor ahai and the prince that was promised. especially with the BTS photos of daenerys pregnant. but at that point, hadn't they already defeated the white walkers? like i'm confused. what would their son have done? united the realm but they're not fighting against anyone anymore... sometimes i swear they could've hired any asoiaf fan and made a better ending for the show.

[danyakgae]

I literally know people here who are a Rhaelya,pretend here to be very sympathetic of Elia but on reedit they make toielt jokes about her. Once I made a neutral comment there and one of them messaged me thinking I hate Elia and started saying bullshit they didn't know I caught them. But if they read this now they will probably know they were discovered.

Elia has always received hate since before she got fans (who are far few and in between. Most are just women who sympathize with her yet they get labeled as fans) and there were fee people who stand up for her.

Now finally after years it became larger and yet they pretend it's Elia's "fans" who started it like, just like children. Even several artists here have been getting shit on for drawing Elia breathing next her husband. But drawing 15 years old girl's ass being touched by Rhaegar? It's misogynistic if we talk about it.

And believe me, there are people here who had been caugh red handed sending asks to themselves and to Rhaelya artists as Lyanna's fans and it was so obvious it wasn't even funny.

Most Elia's "fans" are women who love both women or at least sympathize with Lyanna even if critical. But Rhaelya's fans are usually either men who like the idea of man having two wives to fullfil his musculine destiny to save the world or crazy fangirls who wish Rhaegar was real so they can do him.

I'm not even a fan. But I've been here for years. I never cared truly for Elia until recently for a bit but from what I saw on diffrent sites, it's always the fans of ships and men who start things and are the nastiest.

EXACTLY!!! for the past few years, elias finally been getting recognition and people sympathise with her! plus she is described to be clever, gentle and so kind. so is it REALLY that unfathomable that elia would have fans? i mean people freaking idolise aemma arryn (i do think she’s cool) but we don’t even know what she looks like??!! but they somehow only have a problem with people liking elia. like what…

AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT! it’s NEVER the lyanna fans who hate on elia. it’s ALWAYS the rhaelya fans, because they hate the idea of elia being in the way for their ship. and ykw i personally hate both rhaelya and rhaelia but i can’t stop people from liking them. BUT i don’t understand why you have to hate on the other woman. it’s 2026, life doesn’t revolve around men. grow up.

i feel like so many people forget that both lyanna and elia are used by grrm to portray how two starkly different female characters both end up dying in the hands of MEN. it’s showing how in the world of westeros, no women would ever win regardless of whether they were fragile and sickly or strong and spirited. but i fear this flies over so many people’s heads.

[danyakgae]

Nobody hates Elia; we hate her fans who are toxic, who harass other people's posts, and who are also hypocrites who say they don't hate Lyanna and treat her like a victim, but then share misogynistic posts about Lyanna. Did you know that one of Elia's fans says Lyanna is a victim, but at the same time loves to read and posts fanfiction where Lyanna is punished, beaten, and abused just for running away with Rhaegar? The hate she receives is a response to the misogynistic hate that Lyanna receives.

okay? u realise EVERY popular character in asoiaf has some crazed rude fans. in fact, this applies to every fandom ever. u don’t have to like the fans, in fact u can hate them all u want.

but if THAT’s the reason u hate on elia, then im afraid you need to grow up. i would have HOPED in kindergarten, you learned that two wrongs don’t make a right. if u want ur fandom to have a better image, then have the decency to stop the hate train. ignore the crazy fans and you’ll look like the bigger person, while the stupid fan looks stupid.

in terms of the weirdos who read those fanfics, are hypocrites, but what do u want me to do about it? call the police? call grrm? inform their parents? host a witch hunt and burn them at the stake? all you can do is block and report them!

ofc there’s stupid elia fans who hate on lyanna. but there’s also stupid lyanna fans who hate on elia and her kids. who also call elia slurs. but everytime that’s brought up, all ‘lyanna’ fans deny it. in fact on x, ppl say tha it’s an elia fan in disguise so that more ppl can hate on lyanna fans. PLEASE. no one’s that unemployed.

btw when i say ‘lyanna’ fans, im more referring to rhaelya fans. in actuality, real lyanna fans i meet actually like elia and dislike rhaegar, and are incredibly nice people. so if ur truly a fan of lyanna, you would focus more on defending your fave INSTEAD of hating on someone else. especially if that someone has done NOTHING wrong. LMAO 🤣

[danyakgae]

sorry not sorry, elia martell is not canonically ugly. she’s beautiful. if u disagree, u can all suck on it.

like ppl r taking barristan’s words out of context. he’s not saying elia = kitchen drab. he’s basically insinuating that even w someone as fair as elia, ashara is even more beautiful than that. i swear reading comprehension is lacking sometimes.

[danyakgae]

HAHAHA I WAS RIGHT 😭😭💪💪 a win for the elianators

[danyakgae]

guys i swear these elia haters on x literally make things up themselves. as soon as grrm wrote the not-a-blog about the mad king play, they started larping about how elia fans supposedly said lyanna's irrelevant. now i MYSELF personally have not seen any (tho that's not to say they don't exist and i don't doubt they do) but rather i see elia fans excited to see elia.

it's interesting how most of the time (most, not all) elia fans focus on their fave. elia. while their haters rather than completely focus on their faves, ALREADY go and hate on elia. like holy cow.

like i said, elia's haters are her biggest fans.

[danyakgae]

guys ik i larp on and on about this, but i genuinely find it so embarrassing when elia haters try to comment hate on her tiktok videos as some sort of 'revenge baddie' ploy and end up getting ratioed. plus, they get destroyed in the comments. like it's 2026, have u not realised that ppl actually like elia *GASP*

[danyakgae]

sorry not sorry, elia martell is not canonically ugly. she’s beautiful. if u disagree, u can all suck on it.

like ppl r taking barristan’s words out of context. he’s not saying elia = kitchen drab. he’s basically insinuating that even w someone as fair as elia, ashara is even more beautiful than that. i swear reading comprehension is lacking sometimes.

[danyakgae]

something the asoiaf fandom really needs to learn is that it’s completely fine to dislike a character. no one is saying you have to like them.

but if the only reason you hate a character is because you don’t like their fans… that’s genuinely immature. you’re not ten.

you don’t have to love the character, but hating on them purely out of spite for their fandom is lazy and dumb.

it’s basically the “separate the art from the artist” idea (obviously not the same thing, but the logic is similar)

if you want to criticise a character, at least do it over something they actually did in canon. (being a 'khia' doesn't count).

[danyakgae]

similarities between princess diana of wales & princess elia of dorne

header - @cursed-carmine

the 'neglected first wife' archetype in the 'love triangle' (i put this quite loosely)

described as being kind, gracious, clever and gentle

tragic deaths that fuel larger conflicts

mothers to two children, one of which is the heir to the kingdom. when they were born, both prince aegon and prince william were 2nd in line after their fathers.

both suffered health issues. elia suffering due to being born premature and thus struggling with giving birth herself. diana opening up about her bulimia struggles, PPD and the immense pressure of being a royal

both are remembered fondly. elia being remembered by all of dorne as well as several other important POV characters in the series. and well princess diana's impact speaks for itself...

being humiliated by their respective husbands.

both their husbands 'left' them for a 'real love match'. (i'm not say lyanna is camilla btw!!! before 'those' fans come for my ass)

[danyakgae]

asioaftwt vs not getting into discourse ab the stupidest things