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who are the most working class in jurassic world and chaos theory? also is maisie a class traitor or is it simply by circumstance that she no longer has wealth?
I donât think you can necessarily be Most working class because you just kind of are or arenât. so hereâs my list of class positions:
working class: roxie, dave, ronnie, the pincuses, probably the fadoulas, probably the bowmans, zia, franklin fk, claire jwd, owen fk jwd, lowery, vivian, alan, iris, gia and nonna last name, davi
*depends on how you personally define middle class petit bourgeoise. could argue either way: owen jw$, barry jw$, mae$, ian jwd$, ellie jwd$, the mitchells$, zara, the handler^, franklin jwd^, barry^, kayla^, delacourt^, claire fk*
$ some people argue intellectuals are petit instead of workers. theyâre more powerful than the average worker due to specializations, but they still do salaried work to live. EYE think their political interests are more closely worker in nature
^ are cops (broad) working class? technically yes. morally and politically no.
*do you count broke non-profits as small businesses? technically they own their labor but like. the whole point is also that you donât and youâre actually paying to do work. I think this is far more worker adjacent but Iâll allow the discourse
petit bourgeoise: kash, eli, kenji (jwct), the gutierrezâ, brooklynn last name and family, wu, sarr, the mballos?, hoskins, earnest, ramsay, most likely mitch + tiff
? depends on whether or not amanita sells crops as her job. I canât remember. ousmane himself is a salaried worker but their farm raises questions about class
arguable: claire jw. sheâs not top of the food chain but sheâs pretty damn close. sheâs described as C-level which I think leans bourgeoise proper
bourgeoise: simon, the kons (jwcc), soyona, dodgson, lockwoods
feel free to ask about how certain people got placed where they are. and feel free to discourse. we can treat this like a group project
and is maisie a class traitor? I wouldnât say so. itâs pure misfortune that her family died and she is adopted into a working family. we also donât know if sheâll inherit those assets in the future because with her new (presumable) legal adoption, she very well might. kenji is a better example of a kid changing class because he actively rejects his bourgeoise father and thus lifestyle to live with a working family. itâs a moral objection to him. maisie didnât have any choice in it, but she could still choose to reject it later if she inherits.
I have to defend overhated women characters with my life this isnât a game to me anymore dog Iâm so serious
Claire redemption arc is very obvi. but what about Owen, Kayla, and Zia given their participation in the military? also what about Barry and Franklin, they are further involved with the state (respective states), can there be redemption for them? because although they are helping Claire and OwenâŠ. they still upholding empire with means of protecting capital, no?
as a primary victim of militarism (arab), this is a topic i love investigating.
owen is the easiest to discuss because the narrative actively wants him to seek redemption for his militarism. owen's main conflict in the second half of fallen kingdom is that he's being forced to confront his actions too. the indoraptor is the perfect mix of his sins and claire's sins (militarized hybrid). that's why eli calls them the parents of the new world. eli confronts his own placidity in being the man who proved raptors could be weapons, and owen shows clear remorse by being like "no, this one's on me". owen's redemption is his joining the dpw to save dinosaurs from poachers, as stated by trevorrow. all stories in this franchise are told through dinosaurs, so of course owen's military history is framed through dinosaurs, too. if you scroll down this post, i provide more links about how much owen's story was meant to be an anti-military message. specifically about how weaponization is animal abuse and how best intentions don't erase harm (because, again, owen was explicitly against the raptors being weapons instead of research. his whole thing is he values the animal over empire, no matter what).
owen's backstory isn't in the movies beyond a few picture cameos in the cabin, but it does exist in outside material. it goes as follows: he was in the navy for approximately 3 years. he likely joined at 18-21 before the iraq war (his canon age is slightly older than claire. he can be at most 4 years older placing his birthday anywhere from 1984-1981). he worked with dolphins in the marine mammal program. his job was to train them to detect landmines and such to protect navy vessels. while doing this, a dolphin was mistaken for a torpedo. owen prevented his dolphin from being fired upon and this lead to an internal slandering of his team that disbanded the entire thing. to prevent the dolphins from being functionally killed, he testified against the navy which ended in a court-martial (military criminal trial) that dishonorably discharged him. masrani corp took ownership of his dolphins in exchange for him eventually working for them. he doesn't think highly of the military due to his experiences in it (which you can also see in how he talks to hoskins, a traditional military-honoring man). you can read a fuller summary here or simply read jw: the game yourself.
my critique for this portrayal is that it still does center veteran victimhood instead of global south victimhood, but it's an engaging enough anti-military narrative focused on corruption and animal exploitation. i think owen is at his peak when he's claire's equal in "everything i did was kind of evil in ways i didnt understand at the time, but i'll try to fix it". i wrote a small piece on this years ago. i think he is objectively the best depiction the franchise has (which, granted, is a ridiculously low bar. i remind you, the DoD literally edited the jp3 ending to make themselves look better).
kayla's arc isn't explicitly about dealing with her crimes of empire, but i take a "redemption for all" approach to most. kayla's apologia for trafficking dinosaurs is apologia for flying for the airforce. i would love to see more out of her. as it stands, we don't actually have much information about what she did and that majorly colors my perception of these characters. i once knew a guy who was technically "in the airforce" but all he did was do practice drills jumping out of planes in germany. and then he broke his back due to military incompetence which is how we ended up speaking but that's another story LMFAO. but, as i think you can understand, i'm far more willing to hear out someone who never saw battle than someone who did. still think it's terrible you dehumanized us enough to join, but it is far easier to forgive someone who didn't actually gun anyone down, you know? as an airforce pilot, kayla could've been doing drills in california or she could've been dropping men into iraq. the difference matters to me.
kayla has some backstory to why she joined. she's from a family of vets and joined on legacy. i find these people irksome irl because they hate admitting their parents/grandparents who they love were kinda evil. but this is fiction, and you can do interesting stories with it. i don't think kayla's story is over, so i reserve a lot of judgment until it's truly addressed. historically, the US has exploited black people as canon fodder (i have friends who didn't join but have had their black-majority school districts personally preyed on by recruiters. i recommend skimming the memoir black boy's chapters about black militarism, too) so i'm also probably more lenient here than a vet truly deserves. i completely understand why anyone of my same background wouldn't hold the space i do.
as for zia. she's a weird edge-case where you the only in-movie indication she served is that she has a tattoo that's not visible for most of the movie. anyone can get a tattoo. she's clearly intended to be a marine according to interviews, but it doesn't even get mentioned in her canonical dpg background page. i don't have many thoughts about it because the movie doesn't really either. i think her attitude and way around a gun can be completely justified without it. it's kind of just pointless trivia to me. it doesn't interest me to engage with.
as for our local intelligence agency friends, this is complicated because it really gets into the geopolitical situation of jurassic world which is both like ours and completely different. we can agree being french intelligence and american intelligence are both likely bad things. both are colonial powers, to the modern day, for us. even if the world in the movie is different than ours, we'll interpret it more similar to ours. we'll still infer france is holding its african colonies hostage while the usa is is still meddling with the whole world. without the context of jwct, what barry and franklin do is significantly less bad due to the loss of the international smuggling complicity. with the context of jwct, we know that the dinosaurs franklin thinks he's protecting may actually be going into the smuggling ring which affirms the arguments against working for the state at all.
i think there can absolutely be redemption for them both. wanting to do good through an improper method isn't irredeemable unless you go about it in certain ways. for instance, i find electoralism largely irredeemable because you can't "vote" your way out of fascism (look at every state that claims they've done it. the moment you consider racial minorities, it all falls apart). however, the people door knocking aren't evil. their actions may result in a politician who does evil, but in the grand scheme, it's really nothing. it's more productive to accept these people as they come to us and education them on our methods. what barry and franklin do itself, without the government label, is not the issue. the closest equivalency is the guys who take your pet hippos. you shouldn't be owning pet hippos. we can all agree there.
the issue is the state itself. there are different ways communists think about states, like the stalinists, maoists, cubans, etc. i can't speak for all the ways the state can be completely destroyed or reoriented. the communist manifesto advocates for a stateless society as an end goal, but we regularly argue about the transitional socialist state. this is how we get our massive divides. the anarchists vs the mlms. the sino-soviet. etc. etc. that's far too many perspectives and we communists love to argue with other communists of slightly different leanings.
but we all generally agree that capitalist states shouldn't have the power to choose who is criminal and who isn't. when a state can decide you're guilty for no reason, it will decide all its detractors are guilty. likewise, the general anti-death penalty position isn't "no one should die for crimes" but "the state can't be trusted to decide that fairly". what barry and franklin do isn't necessarily an evil thing, but we can't trust france or the usa to have good international interests while doing it. who is to stop them from declaring anyone is an animal trafficker? the best path forward for them, i'd think, is for them to do this same work in a community-based way rather than as a state dog. many people who traffic animals are actually victims of capitalists. most poachers don't want to poach, but it's the best way to make money. they're what we might call the lumpenproletariat or the "chronically unemployed", the people so poor they resort to crime for survival instead of wage labor. we can nip these things at the root by improving material conditions. such as employing them to protect the animals they previously poached. i think africa's savannah reserves irl had a great idea with this method, and it can be translated to dinosaurs.
sorry for all the commy blabber at the end there. but in my defense, you DID ask for it.
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is sammi class traitor bc family meat dynasty?
this feels like you were reading my messages because youâll NEVER believe what I was discussing with my mutual yesterday. LMFAO.
short answer: sammy isnât a class traitor because she never really does anything that would disrupt her class position nor does she move classes in the series. sammy begins the story as petty bourgeoise and remains petty bourgeoise by the end. to be a class traitor sammy would have to give up her farm or otherwise invest herself into anti-private property movements that would ultimately lead to her losing the farm.
sammy is petit bourgeoise (petty bourgeoise) or âmiddle classâ more colloquially. this does not mean sheâs rich, as is a common misconception. it means she and her family own their own labor but is not necessarily running a massive operation where they exploit otherâs labor (though, many petty bourgeoise will have a few paid employees or take advantage of free labor by friends/family, which is still considered part of the way they exploit the proletariat). they own the land they work, the animals they raise, and they own the products they sell. she is definitionally not working class because of this. in fact, karl marx believed this class have âanti-workerâ tendencies because theyâre more likely to ally with legislature that hurts workers if it improves their margins (such as refusing minimum wage). this is somewhat reflect in how her family cozies up to biosyn. you might be able to argue sammy does a class traitor action by not cozying up to biosyn too, but again, sammy is not meaningfully sacrificing her class position to do so. she is not materially gaining or losing anything (only emotionally losing something).
a class traitor action would be more like if sammy promoted community ownership of her farm or willingly give up major amounts of profit to educate the public against her own interests as a business owner. marxism believes in the dictatorship of the proletariat (rule of the workers) and a property-less society (no one would âownâ businesses. âprivate businessâ is far more accurate to what âprivate propertyâ means than, like, your dvd collection, for instance). a real example of someone weâd generally consider an upper class traitor is fredrick engles, co-author of many of marxâs works, who funneled major amounts of his bourgeoisie money into sponsoring proletariat revolutionaries and encouraging them to revolutionize the public against his class. sammy could very well do this in the future, but in current canon she is a non-class traitor petty bourgeoise (as are kenji and brooklynn, because this isnât unique to sammy by any means!!! many protags in the franchise arenât actually working class!!!)
Do you ever feel like the Handler is a little Jurassic World (2015) Claire coded?
yeah.
Rlly love when ppl use handlers lack of eyebrows, bob and weird behaviour to question why someones attracted to her as if that isnt the appeal
not being attracted to men in fandom is really isolating sometimes
its just so obviously different when someone is engaging in a convo about a female character because it's the polite thing to do and not because they have any investment in it. and normally that would be fine except this is something you have to deal with literally everywhere you go, no matter who the other people you're conversing with are. and you can feel the switch in interest so potently when women are the focus of the conversation versus men.
and again it's not really any one person's fault. but it's just so lonely sometimes ahahh
who is more likely to punch an asshole? Claire or Owen? don't really see any bar fights but could see someone making a comment at Maisie's graduation, basically invalidating her existence and then vilifying her for who she is. like who is getting out of their seat to punch them out and who is holding them back or is the other just like "go get them honey! give them an extra punch on my behalf. i'll bail you out after i get pics of her with the fake diploma" or are they trying their best not to make a scene because it's their daughter's special day and no way they are ruining it for her. so in that case who is like consoling who late at night when Maisie's not around to hear them talk about the incident?
hands down, owen. owen is always the best bet. not because claire wont punch but because claire kind of has to want you dead before she'll do it. owen does not see the punch as sacred or last resort. if you're from a certain area, you get that sometimes a physical fight isn't personal. you can tussle and still offer someone a chance to fix it after. different mindset scenario. which claire doesn't have. she does not have any intention of hearing you out when she gets physical.
that said, neither of them is hearing out someone who threatens maisie. if a punch is thrown highly depends on other factors. how severe is the comment? what age is the person saying it? is this a stranger or a known issue? i think it would have to be a relatively severe comment said by an older person with a history to warrant a physical reaction. i straight up do not think they'd fight maisie's classmate, for instance. they are grown and that's a "dumb child". and it would have to be pretty bad if any altercation happened because theyâd want to prioritize maisieâs experience and itâs not like sheâd hear the comment from her place. I think in most cases they wouldnât fight in this specific situation.
and so itâs claire being like âitâs not worth itâ while owen gives death glares. claire is in more of the ignore it camp because of her media training. itâs how she managed the immediate aftermath of JW too. ignore the cameras and press and just keep walking. she doesnât explode until it canât be used against her (so, in private). claire keeps her cool until maisie is gone and then itâs like that BASTARD this town of BASTARDS. and owenâs like yeah! they are! and then the inevitable mini crisis of âdid we do something wrong? no. the world is just evilâ. claire overthinks harder so claire needs the cheerleading more. owen doesnât doubt himself like no that was an asshole. what an ass, right, claire?
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thank you. this is far from the first time i've heard this as you can likely understand. i am one in a krillion.
Hi, how's it going?
I came across a post of yours that mentioned Fadoula not even being a proper arabic/lebanese family name and that kinda pissed me off.
I'm working on a fic in which Yasmina is the MC and I'd hate using an incorrect name when referring to her, so I wondered whether or not you could point out a proper lebanese name.
yes, it's not and i do have a theory on it. fadoul or faddoul would be the closest correct version since it's the root. there's also fadla/fadila which is the correct way to feminize the name fadl/fadoul. all of these names are relatively rare BUT they are real with real, searchable people having them. i have never found a search result in english (or arabic) for fadoula.
i hope your fic goes well! as an arab, i don't necessarily find fault in still using it for fanwork because it's the canon material we're given. it's like, well. damage has been done. oh well. i do wish, however, more non-arab people held the creative team accountable for such a weird blunder.
iâve always regretted not picking her up while she was in stores but today⊠today I found her at a local event and was able to give her a forever home. I have housed her with books that remind me of her or that I think sheâd like. I have given her dinosaur friends. welcome home my sweet princess
do you think claire and owen would find themselves in each universe ( if that's a thing ) or is it just a happenstance?
"i think that claire and owen have a really special bond and relationship. and in many ways, they're soulmates. and so i think that they're always going to be bonded and they're always going to be coming back together" - bdh, china leg of the FK tour.
marxist answer: no. monogamy is a social construct which feminists and marxists both critique. see: other writing. Iâm a multi shipper so I already defy this framework. I donât think multiple loves contradicts love you have for someone else. and all love is happenstance which is still beautiful.
shipper answer: yes. we do have multiple licensed universes and theyâre always positioned as a duo in them. in jw: the game, they enter a romantic relationship without ever experiencing the indominus incident. the canon position is that theyâre always endgame, regardless of circumstance. please consult the video
Owen Grady from Jurassic Park is butch, transfemme and a lesboy!
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Claire Dearing from Jurassic Park is genderqueer and a lesbian!
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