The Caribbean Family Heyder

Multi-Muse Historical Fantasy RP/Ask/Story Blog for original story "The Devil's Eye". Authored by "Cappn".

[der-karibisch-heyder]

~Caribbean Family Heyder~

“We’ve left our old lives and the old world behind to find ourselves a new one...”

Original Character roleplay, ask, art and story blog, authored by Cappn

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[der-karibisch-heyder]

Historical “Thanksgiving”

I’m bored so I figured I’ll take another stab at looking casually into how the Heyder family would understand and celebrate holidays in their own time - see my previous posts regarding Christmas and Valentine’s Day.

Anyway, Thanksgiving is a bold topic due to all the sanitized, romanticized, and mythologized revisionism it’s undergone over the years, in particular in the United States. However, an appeal for making these little insight posts is cutting past that to address the heart and core of the original idea.

Now Thanksgiving is especially curious within this context as it holds origins both in being a nonspecific, generalized celebration (literal giving of thanks) and a very specific, almost contemporary event occurrence for the Heyder family. The traditional date for American Thanksgiving is 1621, a cool 100 years exactly before the start of the Devil’s Eye story’s beginning. This is the date that the Plymouth Settlers (AKA, the Pilgrims with a capital P) settled land abandoned by the Patuxet tribe which had died out to a plague outbreak. The settlers themselves were devastated by a harsh winter, and only through liasoning with other local tribes (Abenaki, Wampanoag did they survive the following year by learning to grow local agriculture and fish for eels and the like.

The real funny kicker here is that this celebration, in its own time, wasn’t even an “official” Thanksgiving. It was just a harvest feast, placing it somewhere between late September and early November. The even funnier kicker is that this wasn’t even the only harvest festival going on at this time. in 1619, a few years beforehand, a colony founded in Virginia called Berkeley Hundred - and this festival was determined to be an annual celebration for their landfall, which occured around early December.

So where does all this go? In 1777 Samuel Adams drafts the first American Thanksgiving to be set somewhere around December 18th in honor of the soldiers serving against the British; George Washington amended that with the celebration of victory at Saratoga. Continental Congress pushes it back to 28th of November in 1782 with the context of celebrating independence from Britain. Various other presidents throughout the early United States history proclaimed different days of Thanksgiving as well. This carried on until Lincoln determined that the last Thursday of November to be Unofficially Official Thanksgiving Day, which continued on until 1941 when it was made completely official by Congress. John F Kennedy resolved the whole issue over “what even was the first Thanksgiving” in 1963 by basically saying the Virginia and Plymouth celebrations were equally valid “original cases”, even though this was clearly just grandfathering in by this point.

SO ANYWAY BRINGING THIS ALL BACK TO THE HEYDERS, who are not mainland Americans, and thus none of that applies to them! Well like I said, festivals of giving thanks were common as hell in those days among Christian European communities. Living in English Jamaica, the Heyders would be largely exposed to the Church of England; Robert himself is from Bavaria, which is one of the Germanic regions that stuck closer to Catholicism, which shares many of its liturgical celebrations with the Church of England. Therein the most likely thanksgiving day for them would be…. Michaelmas, the Feast of St. Michael and All Angels. It’s held during the autumn (around September 29), its traditional meal is the goose. Due to this it was often associated with year-end affairs settling such as working out accounts for estates, officials were elected, and things of that nature. Knowing this, and that the American traditional election day is also held in the autumn around the same time, is more than an interesting coincidence!

[der-karibisch-heyder]

I’m lazy so have a repost of what I posted about historical thanksgiving last year. Happy holidays.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

I'm so lazy I'm reposting it again!! I should probably write something new on this blog again :(

[ltwilliammowett]

The Spanish galleon San Diego

The San Diego was a galleon about 35 meters long with 4 decks, weighing 700 tons, and was built in 1590 at the Cebu shipyard. Originally named San Antonio, she was intended for merchant service, but at the end of October 1600, by order of the Vice-Governor and General of the Philippines, Antonio de Morga Sánchez Garay, she was taken to the harbour of Cavite to be converted into a warship. News had come from the Viceroyalty of Peru, that a Dutch squadron was heading for the archipelago, with plans to take it over from the Spanish Crown, which represented Philip III in 1600. The Netherlands, which had considered itself independent since 1588 but was not recognised as such by Spain until 1648, was in its great heyday - the so-called Golden Age. Their trade was flourishing and now they wanted to expand and tried to establish colonies in America and Asia. The Philippines were more than just interesting, they were an important stopover for trade with China and Japan.

Model of the San Diego galleon at the National Museum of the Philippines

But now the Spanish were there and the Dutch were eager to get it. And so Antonio de Morga had to secure Manila and convert existing ships to defend his territory. A small squadron, including the San Diego, set out on 12 December 1600 to search for the enemy and found him on the morning of 14 December, about 50 kilometres south-west, in the midst of difficult weather conditions. These were the Mauritius, the Dutch flagship, and the Eendracht, a small advance party to scout the area.

Vice-Governor and General of the Philippines, Antonio de Morga Sánchez Garay (left) and Admiral Olivier van Noort

At first the Mauritius also seemed to be an easy target for the San Diego, who was twice the size, armed with 14 guns and had four hundred men on board, more than the entire enemy fleet put together. But unfortunately, this enormous equipment was also counterproductive for her: she did not have enough ballast to ensure her stability, and the weight, together with the waves and the strong wind, posed an unexpected threat. She managed to ram and board the Mauritius without firing a shot, as the gun ports could not be opened, because of the large guns which came from the fortress in Manila.

A battle that probably represents the San Diego and the Mauritius

A six-hour battle ensued, but Olivier van Noort, the Dutch admiral, resisted with all his might and even set fire to his ship to bring the San Diego down. Morga, who commanded her by himself was unable to risk his men, and  returned to the San Diego.But the San Diego was like a stone in the water, and this had been entering the ship for hours.  As a result, she ran full to the brim and began to sank in front of the Dutch. The vice-governor was able to save himself together with a hundred of his men, but the other 300 drowned or died trying to swim away, while their skulls were crushed by the courtesy of the Dutch when they were rowing.

A sample of the artifacts rescued from the wreck by : Franck Goddio Underwater Archaeologist

The human and material cost was enormous but it was successful because the loss of the Mauritius caused van Noort, who was wounded but also survived, to renounce attacking the Philippines and put an end to his ephemeral expedition by assuming his losses (as was customary, he had financed it himself).

San Diego’s remains by Emory Kristof  

In 1992, Franck Goddio and his team managed to discover the wreck and recovered a total of 34,407 artifacts, including Chinese porcelain, Japanese samurai swords, Portuguese cannons and Mexican coins. The artifacts were shown in exhibitions all over the world before they came to the National Museum of the Philippines as a permanent exhibition.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

@sins-of-the-sea

The San Diego is 30% smaller than La Demonia (35 meters and 700 tons vs 50 meters and 1000 tons) but this is still a useful reference.

[sins-of-the-sea]

Ohhh, Ruixiong, I didn't know you have a girl! Who is this Helen? :3

"Guay de mi..."

"Don't 'Guay de mi' me, fruitcake! Helen ( @der-karibisch-heyder )is the best girl!"

"Here we go-"

"She is beautiful and really curvy! She's really smart and not just knows her stuff, she's not afraid to show it off and use it! She's very well-read, not afraid to speak her mind, and looks absolutely gorgeous while she's at it!"

"She is the antithesis of an acceptable woman according to the Way, and with the rest of Chinese society, Ruixiong. Not even the West sees her as bride material."

"I DECIDE IF SHE IS AN ACCEPTABLE WOMAN, LIZHI!!"

"Well, then, clearly, she is acceptable to you because you are hardly acceptable either. Rubbish attracts rubbish, after all."

"Why, you-" Rui stretches out a hand--a rubbish bin floats from the corner of the room and flies straight for Guy's head, covering it altogether.

Though of course, for his troubles, Rui is lit on fire immediately. It's just another Wednesday onboard La Demonia Roja.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

"Eat dung, Guy! What do you even care about how acceptable a woman I am anyway?! At least Rui sees me for who I am!!"

"... why is it someone is always fighting over what I am...?"

[der-karibisch-heyder]

Christmas Seasons During the Voyage Canon (as of draft 0.4)

I thought I did a proper post on Christmas during the time of Devil's Eye but apparently I have not. I'll get to work on that later. I also may revise my other historical context posts with some actual citations so they aren't just aimless ramblings without any evidence. But that's for later.

In the canon story of Devil's Eye, the adventure lasts about 7 years. That's 7 Christmases to celebrate in different parts of the world each time! So where do they align? As of our current draft they're thus:

December 1721 takes place in France, specifically in Paris. The focus is exclusively on the Barracuda's crew, who just weeks earlier lost their titular ship to an attack by La Demonia in the port of Le Havre, and forced them to escape inland by the Seine River. Losing the trail of the Sins, they realize they're without shelter or money in the city of Paris, and the story arc focuses on their collaborative efforts to stay alive during the particularly harsh winter of northern France during the Little Ice Age. This is the point where the story sheds its pretenses of being just a seafaring adventure, as the survival of the characters depends greatly on their ability to adapt to circumstances going beyond their control.

December 1722 takes place across Northern Italy, most likely between Turin and Milan. Having spent the previous spring traveling across southern France, the summer across Spain, and the autumn across central Italy, the Barracuda crew have located and been pursuing the Spanish branch of the Montego family, distant descendants of Saint Emilio, for one of the Keys to the Eye is in their possession. Finally they confront the family in the winter, but they are seen only as stalking thieves and are not given the key. In response, Ravyn commands her crew to take it by force, which is done begrudgingly. It's a sour note that welcomes the new year, and shows our heroes aren't necessarily just.

December 1723 takes place in the Ottoman Levant, between the cities of Antioch and Damascus. Unlike the previous two winters, this time Christmas happens to land upon incidental stops along the way to a more important destination: Jerusalem. There is little time for merriment or mirth among any of the practicing members of the Barracuda crew, as the journey between Antioch and Damascus takes almost the whole month, and then the journey from Damascus to Jerusalem takes nearly another, and the time spent in between is dedicated entirely to resting and resupplying. All the while, their continued persistence at this venture has finally caught the attention of the Master, who now plans to play his hand directly against them.

December 1724 takes place in the Barbary Coast in the cities of Tripoli and Alexandria. Having been driven into the Sahara and hidden among the trade caravans over the past year, the Barracuda crew slowly rebuild their assets to try and resume the voyage again. Meanwhile, the oldest Heyder child, Helen, was taken captive by the Sins and made their hostage. In the city of Tripoli, the crew hijacks a new ship, the Arabian Xebec known as the Zumurruda. They then turn towards Alexandria to rescue Helen, and encounter La Demonia there. A battle breaks out, and the two forces welcome the new year with renewed conflict.

December 1725 brings the adventure to Ottoman Arabia and the city of Jeddah, the home of Amir. By this point a lot has changed in the past year: two more ships have joined the cause, the navy frigate HMS Cavalier and the Dutch smuggling fluyt Diantha. As well, the Sins of La Demonia have entered an uneasy alliance with the heroes, deciding to seek the Keys to the Eye together so that the Master can be stopped from obtaining his prize, even at the cost of their own souls. As for Jeddah itself, Amir is forced to reconcile with the choices he made decades ago to abandon his family in search for adventure, something that some crewmates are supportive of and others find a distraction from the greater objective.

December 1726 brings the voyage to the place that holds painful memories for almost everyone involved: the port of Guangzhou in China. Having raided it 15 years prior, the Sins are still wracked with guilt over what they had done, and among the heroes, Ravyn's foster father, Mortimer Hurley, died protecting his crew from the Master. The uneasy alliance nearly breaks apart as the tensions between past and present begin to boil over before plans can even be made to search for the final key of Saint Emilio, especially when the local Black Dog Bandits learn of the arrival of the Black Ship with Red Sails, and seek to avenge those who died as well.

December 1727 is the last winter of the voyage, and is when the crews year-long efforts in China finally result in them finding the final key of Saint Emilio, which has been guarded on Mount Song in the central China plain. With all seven keys in tow, the collective crews share a brief respite of relaxation before they make preparations to claim the Eye and defeat the Master forever.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

Historical “Thanksgiving”

I’m bored so I figured I’ll take another stab at looking casually into how the Heyder family would understand and celebrate holidays in their own time - see my previous posts regarding Christmas and Valentine’s Day.

Anyway, Thanksgiving is a bold topic due to all the sanitized, romanticized, and mythologized revisionism it’s undergone over the years, in particular in the United States. However, an appeal for making these little insight posts is cutting past that to address the heart and core of the original idea.

Now Thanksgiving is especially curious within this context as it holds origins both in being a nonspecific, generalized celebration (literal giving of thanks) and a very specific, almost contemporary event occurrence for the Heyder family. The traditional date for American Thanksgiving is 1621, a cool 100 years exactly before the start of the Devil’s Eye story’s beginning. This is the date that the Plymouth Settlers (AKA, the Pilgrims with a capital P) settled land abandoned by the Patuxet tribe which had died out to a plague outbreak. The settlers themselves were devastated by a harsh winter, and only through liasoning with other local tribes (Abenaki, Wampanoag did they survive the following year by learning to grow local agriculture and fish for eels and the like.

The real funny kicker here is that this celebration, in its own time, wasn’t even an “official” Thanksgiving. It was just a harvest feast, placing it somewhere between late September and early November. The even funnier kicker is that this wasn’t even the only harvest festival going on at this time. in 1619, a few years beforehand, a colony founded in Virginia called Berkeley Hundred - and this festival was determined to be an annual celebration for their landfall, which occured around early December.

So where does all this go? In 1777 Samuel Adams drafts the first American Thanksgiving to be set somewhere around December 18th in honor of the soldiers serving against the British; George Washington amended that with the celebration of victory at Saratoga. Continental Congress pushes it back to 28th of November in 1782 with the context of celebrating independence from Britain. Various other presidents throughout the early United States history proclaimed different days of Thanksgiving as well. This carried on until Lincoln determined that the last Thursday of November to be Unofficially Official Thanksgiving Day, which continued on until 1941 when it was made completely official by Congress. John F Kennedy resolved the whole issue over “what even was the first Thanksgiving” in 1963 by basically saying the Virginia and Plymouth celebrations were equally valid “original cases”, even though this was clearly just grandfathering in by this point.

SO ANYWAY BRINGING THIS ALL BACK TO THE HEYDERS, who are not mainland Americans, and thus none of that applies to them! Well like I said, festivals of giving thanks were common as hell in those days among Christian European communities. Living in English Jamaica, the Heyders would be largely exposed to the Church of England; Robert himself is from Bavaria, which is one of the Germanic regions that stuck closer to Catholicism, which shares many of its liturgical celebrations with the Church of England. Therein the most likely thanksgiving day for them would be…. Michaelmas, the Feast of St. Michael and All Angels. It’s held during the autumn (around September 29), its traditional meal is the goose. Due to this it was often associated with year-end affairs settling such as working out accounts for estates, officials were elected, and things of that nature. Knowing this, and that the American traditional election day is also held in the autumn around the same time, is more than an interesting coincidence!

[der-karibisch-heyder]

I'm lazy so have a repost of what I posted about historical thanksgiving last year. Happy holidays.

[sins-of-the-sea]

//With all that said, there ARE some pirate misconceptions/myths/imagery we keep for the sake of artistic license, the Coconut Effect, and because we write/draw what we love, and we love a certain thing.

1.) The wearing of tricorns. In reality, tricorns were more of a sailor formality further towards the later part of the 18th century, whereas of the time of the Main Story, just any wide-brimmed hat will do. But that is why we choose to keep the tricorn--it's not an impossible thing to wear, just implausible. Also, tricorns are fucking cool and I love them, I don't care if they obscure vision some (as I have one IRL for art modeling).

2.) The wearing of "pirate" boots. The boots were mostly an artistic thing from a much later period long after the Golden Age. Otherwise, said boots are actually riding boots, intended for horse-riding, not sailing. Otherwise, the pragmatic footwear for sea legs are shoes or even barefoot. As a boot aficionado, I can confirm that having to bend your feet against stiff leather on a regular basis every hour on the hour is ANNOYING. But in DE, we keep the boots because they're fucking cool and I love boots. Also, they're not ALWAYS worn.

3.) Using melee weapons (swords, etc) more than guns. Well, simply put, gun needs ammo, and the Seven are gifted with magical powers. The Hero Crews use guns more, but since this blog is on the Seven Deadly Sins of the Sea, they perpetuate the "pirates use swords" stereotype more. I mean, why use a gun when you can hurl an entire cannon at a band of thugs with your levitation/super strength?

4.) A bigger emphasis on treasure hunting than raiding. Well, Devil's Eye wouldn't be much of a story without the treasure hunting element, would it? With that said, soul raids (or any raid in general) do happen, but they're not the story focus. Also, as long as the Master is clipped, he cannot enforce his will or power as often as he'd like, and the Seven loathe having to kill to empower him, so they avoid soul raiding as much as possible on their own unless they are ordered to do so. Otherwise, in order to be at full power, the Master must get back his missing Eye, and thus, treasure-hunting is the bigger focus of the story.

There's more, but that's all on the top of my head, and Sabrina is starved for more pets despite me cuddling her for almost an hour before naptime.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

To elaborate more specifically:

With regards to tricorns, they are in fashion at the time - with continental Europeans. Given half the Devil's Eye cast are civilians, this is essentially an acceptable break from reality, as they are not career sailors who dress accordingly. That said, due to the lack of standardized naval uniforms during the time period, characters who ARE in a formal navy (IE, The Cavalier's crew), are designed semi-anachronistically on purpose to better visually separate them from the civilian characters and convey that they are in fact navymen. On the other hand, the majority of professional sailors in the cast otherwise aren't even European, continental or colonial. Amir is Arabian, Singlung is Chinese, Dr. Tripoli is Tuareg, the Smit Brothers are Dutch-African, and the Taratai is crewed by Southeast Asians, and of course, Ruixiong, Rashid, and Abena are Chinese, Arabian, and African respectively. Of the European characters outside the Cavalier, Ravyn and Frascona do wear tricorn hats as well. Isaac also wears a tricorn hat, but he is an English civilian and not a sailor. Sebastiaan wears a slouch hat, which is somewhat more appropriate (though he wears his in a somewhat anachronistic style for aesthetic reasons). This leaves Johnny, Aaron, Jacob, Phoebus, Guy, and Giovanni, none of whom wear a hat as part of their regular designs and only the three Sins are professional sailors at the start of the story.

With regard to pirate boots, only Frascona gets to wear them, because they increase his Spooky Factor. Robert's older designs have had some fantastical boot designs in the past, but they're no longer applicable at the moment.

With regards to melee combat, like Immy says, that mostly falls on the Sins. The one Sin who is more likely to rely on firearms is Abena, and if she's shooting a gun at you then she's already fallen back to a last resort. Among the other crews, a few characters prefer melee weapons over fire arms, but they're exceptions to the rule. Specifically Linyi prefers a sword to a gun (and prefers a bow and arrow to either), and Aaron prefers melee weapons of any kind to a gun (though he's not going to refuse a gun when needed).

With regards to treasure hunting, honestly calling Devil's Eye a "pirate" story is a misnomer used for ease of conveyance. It's a Historical Fantasy Adventure Story and piracy plays more into the setting and backstories of characters rather than actively. The Sins convey themselves as pirates early on in the story but eventually drop the facade once the story progresses. The Baraccuda are former privateers but don't do any real piracy in the story proper (though they are prone to stealing, hoodwinking, and heisting as needed to keep ahead. But they're just as likely to do oddjobs as well). The Diantha are smugglers, which can be considered a sort of piracy, but their smuggling stops once they join the Quest, as smuggling doesn't really have a place for it. The Cavalier are pirate hunters in pursuit of La Demonia, so they're just straight up military navy. At certain parts of the story other pirate encounters do serve as antagonistic forces (such as when passing by Madagascar and through India), and they express the real deal: armed robbers who are more interested in taking what you have instead of going on treasure hunts.

[sins-of-the-sea]

((Hey Rui! What do you find attractive in a partner? You got a type?))

"They gotta be perfect in every way! They have to be lively! Strong! Gorgeous! And most definitely smart! Curves are a a bonus!"

"You think this is a high standard, but you haven't seen Helen ( @der-karibisch-heyder)."

"Stop talking down my girl!! She matches all of the above, and more!"

"She's only with you because she tolerates you. If there is anything she has beyond tolerance for, it's probably magnetization to your pectorals."

"Just say you're jealous, Guy. Especially because we didn't work out."

"I am not jealous of a gross and sloppy pustema!!"

[der-karibisch-heyder]

"Who are you calling gross pustule, you 賣豆腐的變態!? You had better watch your mouth before I smack that crooked nose on your face flat!!"

[sins-of-the-sea]

//Funnily enough, you can have the Crew dress as TF2 mercs for Halloween (which I might do this year):

Frascona: Soldier (as he came from a family of knights)

Abena: Demoman (black works with chemicals, lovers best friends with Soldier)

Rashid: Heavy (duh)

Ruixiong: Scout (also duh)

Guy: Pyro (duh x3)

Phoebus: Medic (duh x 4)

Giovanni: Engineer (a hard one between him and Spy (because LMAO) but going with Engie because Engie works with metals and can restore health to a minor degree (clearly with food)).

inb4 Ulan is around as Miss Pauling (as that is somewhat her role to the Master prior to being shoved in a compass).

Sadly I got no one for Sniper. Maybe all of the Barracuda can be Sniper. And that tells you how terrible a team they would be in an actual session.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

No no no, Giovanni should absolutely be the Spy.

>wears a suit made from silk made from a worm farm in Tuscany

>hides gourmet meals in his molars

>dime a dozen backstabbing scumbag

otoh, Engineer has the golden(Australium) wrench but that was never really worked into his character beyond game mechanics (and everyone can get Australium weapons now anyway though they lack the petrification effect on kill).

[immy-ooc]

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[der-karibisch-heyder]

“Everyone! There’s a raggedly sailor guy running around town climbing up on top of the rooftops!”

“He’s going to fall and break his neck in half, just watch.”

“I bet I could do that! Easy! In fact, here, Jacob, hold my drink-”

“What do you think you’re doing?! GET DOWN FROM THERE YOU CLOD-!”

[der-karibisch-heyder]

“Hold up now. Did Edward Kenway seriously just call a sum of 100 pounds “miserly”? I mean, I suppose in the grand scheme of things that isn’t much, especially for clandestine secret killer for hire work, but that’s still lower middle class earnings for an entire year paid up front...”

“I get he’s supposed to be a selfish greedy asshole, but acting like it’s basically nothing makes him seem more like an idiot. Which, I guess he’s that too.”

[sins-of-the-sea]

Meanwhile...

"How the HELL are you confusing Dessler and Dozle?! They are not only nothing alike, or even LOOK alike, but they're not even from the same show!!"

"They both engage in sci-fi space battles with giant ships and mechs, they're both on the antagonistic side of the heroes, their shows came about roughly the same time, AND their names start with the letter 'D'!! Cut me some slack!"

"It must be embarrassing when you are the bigger nerd than Phoebus without Guy around, Ruixiong."

"Shut the fuck up, Shagua."

[der-karibisch-heyder]

“Hold the fuck up.”

“There are NO mecha in Space Battleship Yamato, you goddamn pleb. The Maestro in fact disliked mecha as a subgenre because he felt it was too commercialized. Get your shit right!!”

[sins-of-the-sea]

"HOW THE HELL DO YOU PEOPLE REMEMBER THESE THINGS?!"

[der-karibisch-heyder]

“Because its ART and art is worth getting right! Also, the dates are wrong too, Yamato came out in 1974 - Gundam wouldn’t come out until 1979! That’s half a damn decade! Both series totally revolutionized the anime landscape when they came out! They were trendsetters, not trend chasers!!”

[sins-of-the-sea]

Meanwhile...

"How the HELL are you confusing Dessler and Dozle?! They are not only nothing alike, or even LOOK alike, but they're not even from the same show!!"

"They both engage in sci-fi space battles with giant ships and mechs, they're both on the antagonistic side of the heroes, their shows came about roughly the same time, AND their names start with the letter 'D'!! Cut me some slack!"

"It must be embarrassing when you are the bigger nerd than Phoebus without Guy around, Ruixiong."

"Shut the fuck up, Shagua."

[der-karibisch-heyder]

“Hold the fuck up.”

“There are NO mecha in Space Battleship Yamato, you goddamn pleb. The Maestro in fact disliked mecha as a subgenre because he felt it was too commercialized. Get your shit right!!”

[headspace-hotel]

tbh i don't really get why we divide the oceans into different oceans because they're all connected it's the same ocean

[headspace-hotel]

no metaphor here just pure confusion...is there a line where one ocean stops and another begins? or is it like a smooth gradient of percentages of one ocean shading into another ocean?

[sea-salted-wolverine]

Yes, there is a line. There are confluences you can see and touch and they are NOT subtle in the slightest.

That's the Atlantic and the Caribbean on a particularly pronounced day.

This is the Indian and the Pacific. It's not always this obvious everywhere but the dividing lines are very much there.

Oceans have their own properties as far as temperature and salinity and unless something like a storm or a current forces them to mix they won't. Mostly this applies to vertical mixing and it gives you things like thermoclines and haloclines but water is wierd and won't mix horizontally either.

The ocean basins tend to have their own currents that go in a circle and define that ocean, and those patterns mix the water within that ocean. Like a washing machine.

The Caribbean has a little loop of its own that not on this map, but that current keeps that ocean pretty internally consistent. It's got clear warm water because of the shallow bowl of limestone sand it sits in. Where it meets the Atlantic with wildly different conditions the water is traveling in opposite directions, and it acts kind of like an oncoming lane of highway traffic. Species that have adapted to a narrow band of temperatures and salinities (most fish) can't cross, while species with a stronger homeostasis hang out there on purpose, (marine mammals, turtles, sharks). Plankton, that cannot control their horizontal movement in the water column, are held in their home territories by these barriers.

[der-karibisch-heyder]

This is misinformation. The photos are real, but they aren’t “ocean borders”. They’re just where high sediment waters meet low sediment waters, like glacial flows into the ocean, or a freshwater river hitting the sea. Always fact check information before sharing it!

Sources:

https://observers.france24.com/en/20180925-debunked-oceans-atlantic-pacific-meet-video

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/05/10/fact-check-atlantic-pacific-oceans-mix-regardless-clay-and-iron/9652991002/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-oceans-meet/

That said, there ARE differences between major bodies of water. The Red Sea has high salinity due to its high evaporation and low rainfall, for example. The boundaries of open seas and oceans are a combination of political, geographical, and scientific reasons, as you can read here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borders_of_the_oceans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_boundary

[ltwilliammowett]

Arrival in Cape Town and Fiji the Ship’s cat takes a nap, von Barque Picton Castle

[sins-of-the-sea]

"Whoa!!" Abena gasps.

Guy puts his hands all over the monitor. "Colored font!!"

"We haven't spoken like this since 2006 on AIM!"

"It takes me back!"

"Now if only our font can be changed to a serif type to resemble a novel. And actual proper indentation."

"It doesn't seem to be an issue right now. If it is, she can be approached and change back to simple black font. But for now, this is extremely helpful for some of the longer posts-."

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, YOU CAN BARELY SEE YELLOW/GOLD ON THE WHITE BACKGROUND!!"

"Awwww. I'm sorry, Giovanni. Either we all have the same color, you stick to black, or we all stick to black."

Sobbing.

Colored fonts for dialogue, y/n?

Yes, and keep Gio's yellow (for the color of Greed)

Yes, but keep Gio's black (for his TRAITOR ASS >:C)

Yes, but keep everyone one consistent color (I'll experiment which one)

No, keep all font black

Voting ended onMay 2, 2023

[der-karibisch-heyder]

"CHOOCHOO HERE COMES THE COMIC SANS TRAIN-"

"Booo, not available?? And I can't even make it my shade of teal either!"