The patriarch of a sprawling Italian American family, who died in 2008, was a self-made multimillionaire real estate developer who owned cou
found this interesting article from The Banner on the Mangione family. since some of the things mentioned are already pretty known, i’ll make mention here below of some of the less known/discussed stuff.
• the Mangione family has supported for decades the Greater Baltimore Medical Center, with them donating over 1$ million to the hospital. From 1983, every one of Nick Mangione’s grandchildren, including Luigi, was born at GMBC. article also cites a family member’s statement on this tradition: “It becomes subconscious. Delivering at GBMC is not even a thought.” Due to the family’s longstanding support the hospital has a unit named after the Mangione’s ( the high-risk obstetrics unit)
~ directly from the hospital’s website:
• Louis Mangione ( Luigi’s father), along with his brother John, is described as the point person for the Mangione Family Enterprises. article also mentions that both of the brothers are civil engineers.
• Loyola University’s pools are named after the Mangione. six of ten of Nick Mangione’s children have attended the university and several have excelled in soccer, especially Nick Mangione jr and Sam Mangione.
• In 1988 Turf valley ( the family’s country club) made headlines because Nick Mangione’s nephew, who was also Turf Valley’s manager, left a message using a racial slur on a NAACP member’s answering machine. at the time Nick Mangione fired him but later decided to rehire him as an assistant manager. (ig nino’s views aren’t born out of nowhere..)
~ not from the article, but here’s two reddit users from the r/Baltimore subreddit sharing their opinion on the Mangione’s.
📌 since most of us have gotten a sense of what eed is i will make a lengthy post tomorrow based on the views of legal experts/attorneys/lawyers just to get some valuable insights in the conversation. a lot of differing and interesting opinions. i don’t know if i should split it in two parts or just do a long one, i’ll see.
so from my understanding it’s no longer a “not guilty” trial but now the burden of proof relies entirely on the defense. meaning all the evidence was very strong
Some commentary on the extreme emotional disturbance defense from a NYC defense attorney. will share some additional commentary if i find other interesting insights
Well, that was a lot! And seemingly nothing about jury questionnaires😅I predicted earlier yesterday that this would come up, but keep in mind that extreme emotional disturbance is different than insanity. I’ll go into detail later today on how these differ.
Also, choosing this defense means that the defendant DID commit the act or that the prosecution has met their burden to show that defendant did commit the act. However, this defense is only available for murder charges — not weapons charges. It is not a complete defense, but a mitigating defense. Therefore, charges can be reduced to manslaughter, but not resulting in an acquittal.
One good thing is that the burden of proof is lower for extreme emotional disturbance. Usually, the burden of proof in criminal cases is “beyond a reasonable doubt”, but this defense must only be proven by “a proponderance of the evidence.” I’ll go more into that later too! Send me your questions and I’ll get to them throughout the day!
Let’s talk about what he’ll probably do and where he’ll likely live after his release.
I think once he’s released he’ll move to Mexico under a new alias, find a wife and start a family there. I cannot see him living in the U.S anymore, too many people would recognize him. Mexico is close to the U.S so he can always visit his family whenever he’d like and the slower pace of life in Mexico would suit him better because he’ll be old
hmm i don’t know anon. i can see him either living the way you say (will also add that if he wants to have a low profile i would specifically see him in a LatAm country so maybe Mexico like you say and in south/east Asia) or deciding to be outspoken about the healthcare industry. all the hype surrounding his case will obviously die down in the next decades but once he’s released that will spark attention again and he might want to get his ideas out there. i say this because he seems like he really wants to change things, so maybe he’ll become a podcast/big advocate guy. and since he likes to help others he might start a foundation to help those in need of medical assistance in the U.S.
or he might be too consumed by the end of his sentence to even care at all 🤷🏽♀️
with the trial his way of thinking will emerge more so i think i’ll have a clearer picture of all of this this then. because i’m making allll sorts of assumptions here lol.
imagine living in a country where healthcare is privatized, where you have to pay out of your pocket whenever you get sick and not feeling incentivized to get out in the streets and protest after the top healthcare ceo gets murdered. i hope the trial verdict wakes some americans up.
anyway, imagine luigi being a bit jealous and maybe even insecure over your ex still being in your mind. he sees you in your thoughts and feels like you might be thinking about him a bit maybe and so tries to fuck him out of your mind. he’s so confident w it and sicure in himself and just wants you so bad. you had a long day too so you really also need to relax and let go.
WOOOOOOH he makes you cum again and again with a vibrator while fucking you deep and slow and each time you cum he asks for your ex’s name. He doesn’t stop making you cum until you’re crying and so cockdrunk that you can’t even answer. Only then will he be content knowing he’s fucked that douchebag’s name right out of your brain🥰🥰
Guys I’m so sorry!!! I got so swept up in work and personal life shit but here is my post on some expert opinion thoughts. Anon I see you and I apologize! Stay with me here…
Experts are a particularly complex or just picky area of law. Typically, each side will present expert testimony (which is EXTREMELY expensive, btw… if you wanna make bank just become a testifying expert in something). But usually each side is able to present an expert of their choosing (which are paid by their client and whom they can usually privately confer with AKA coach lol) who will testify to issues that are outside of the areas of expertise for lawyers. Experts must pass the Daubert or Frye standards. The standard in most states is the newer Daubert test, but New York uses the Frye standard, requiring that the expert’s method of evaluating or testing their conclusion is of “general acceptance” in their scientific/professional community. It’s a lower standard than Daubert.
Here are how experts will be interesting in Luigi’s case and the different experts that may come up:
Psychological experts: if defense tries to take the insanity route (which is still possible; I’m not saying he is or isn’t mentally unwell - I’m just saying it’s a strategical option), each side will present an expert to testify to his sanity. There are several different insanity standards that I won’t delve into, but NY state uses the M’Naughten rule, requiring that the defendant was so mentally unwell that they could not appreciate (1) the nature and consequence of their conduct, OR (2) that such conduct was wrong. The prosecution’s side for the NY state case will need to prove that Luigi was aware that his conduct was wrong/had consequences (likely including his journal writings) while the defense’s side will need to prove that he did not understand the nature of the consequence or that the conduct was wrong. It will come down to his state of mind at the time of the shooting. As long as the psychological evaluation method is “generally accepted”, the judge will allow the expert testimony. This would be an interesting battle, if it comes up. (Note: using the insanity defense requires that the defense admits that Luigi did the shooting - I have no idea if they’ll go there, but it’s still an option)
Ballistics: THIS IS THE INTERESTING ONE TO ME!! So ghost guns or privately made firearms (PMF) are very very new as to legal regulation. We only just started getting federal legal precedent as to how to regulate the legal standards around manufacturing PMFs, and we are far away from standards regarding testimony around them. PMFs are made to be intracable, or “ghost”! Expert testimony around ghost gun ballistics is an area of law that pretty much doesn’t exist. The defense is going to heavily scrutinize any expert testimony regarding ballistics matching because the standards just can’t be met at this time as to being “generally accepted” in the profession. NY specifically has laws that allow expert testimony regarding digital files used to make ghost guns, but nothing regarding the actual ballistics match. Almost every single significant ghost gun case to date has ended in settlement, so I anticipate a huge fight here regarding matching ballistics.
3D printing/manufacturing experts: I could see there being experts in this field regarding how the gun was made or that it was made by Luigi. However, this might be a fact that the defense can stipulate or save an expert on. I think it’s possible that it’ll come up!
Crime scene/survailance experts: because Luigi doesn’t shoot BT and then wave at the camera and say “hi I’m luigi”, it’ll probably be argued that the man in the footage isn’t him or can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be him. These types of experts will basically evaluate the CCTV footage or crime scene evidence and testify as to the likelihood that the person who did the shooting could be the defendant (or could not be). The defense will likely present an expert that casts doubt on this to persuade the jury on their certainty. This could be huge for the prosecution not meeting the standard for conviction if the ballistics are also thrown out.
Like I said, it’s a very convoluted and messy area of law (and a very expensive testimony for each expert..) but it will be very interesting to see how it unravels in Luigi’s case. Let me know your thoughts/findings!
this is what luigi’s grandparents look like + more in depth info on Luigi’s grandma since the previous post is already long enough. his grandmother is ALSO sicilian 💀 i swear this family is so fucking italian that i’m sure luigi’s 23andme is prob 100% southern italian. will also say, Louis is his father’s twin.
"Last week, while passing through the Honolulu Art Museum on my way back to Hawaii, I realized it was the place where Luigi and I first met. The feeling of being suddenly pulled back to memories by a single location was so real and deeply moving. It reminded me of this tragic person and event. I found photos on my phone of him being forced to be my Instagram boyfriend, taking pictures for me because the other alumni traveling with me were too old to edit them."
The picture Luigi helped take.
"Luigi was my classmate and fellow alumnus at Penn. We met in February 2023, traveled together, and organized and participated in several Penn alumni events in Hawaii. On the day of the incident, I saw the news and felt a surge of grief. We had planned to hang out after I returned from Japan. The next day, I couldn't help but send him a message of condolence, but he never replied."
Messages between OP and Luigi.
"Many friends asked me if I thought he had done anything wrong. I can only say no comments. I hope he's doing well. Take care"
ty to @lmangione and their anon for notifying the community of this existing.
kind of a weird thought (?) BUT i think if luigi ends up having kids down the line his features would work particularly well with a girl. he has a very masculine look but also features that would work best with a girl ( EYES especially, but also everything else), but maybe i’m also biased a bit lol. the women in his family look so pretty though so i feel like that shows it clearly.
this picture shows it well imo. justin bieber is another man who i think this is also true for, as an example.
also side note BUT HES SOOO FINE HERE FAV PIC OF HIS EVER
Also I’m still obsessed with personal trainer Luigi… imagine him fucking you like this on a leg press machine at the end of the day once the gym is empty and he’s asking you to help him with his workout (visuals for the machine and the position provided below that I also sent to my friends because nothing aesthetic matched my vision. Enter your mind palace and really try to use your imagination here bc it’s so fucking hot)
thank you so much for posting that picture because I’ve never seen it! I don’t understand trying to lie when there’s so much photographic evidence of her contradictions. Why do you think Christine switched up on her “friends” so severely? She was ready to be besties with everyone yet she was always trying to “distinguish herself from the fangirls”.
i just don’t understand the point, why buddy up with them when she could have just been a “journalist” like the other professionals that attend. Now she has no choice but to lie and deny everything. Her whole situation is so confusing to me.
me neither anon! i was surprised when i saw it.
tbh i don’t know why she “switched up” on them, i didn’t even know they were cool with each other like that before which is why i was surprised to see that one group pic lol.
what i do know is that she started out as a supporter and then distanced herself from all of that when she became a reporter on the case. i don’t think it’s a problem that she did this actually, as long as you’re professional about it who cares about your personal feelings on the case. but, like i said in another post, i think she’s way too involved with some of the supporters and i don’t know why she moves the way she does. to me it’s either admit that you were a supporter at one point and work with that or just ignore all of that and move forward but she’s handling this in a way where she tries to ignore while simultaneously also doing things that are clearly personal. (ie: requesting no public access due to jury tampering).
i didn’t know of her tiktok account when she was active on there as a supporter, so can’t tell you much more than this if you were looking for other details :/ if anyone knows more feel free to send my way and i’ll share it ofc
