Destiel doesn't exist

Dean and Sam are canonically straight, Destiel is not canon.  Don't hate the ship, just the Hellers.  No, I don’t ship Wincest or J2.  I also have a supernatural blog with no destiel-related stuff at jerk-bitch-67 and another blog for my whump obsession at got-whump.  Feel free to follow.

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

are you homophobic

Oh boy. Here we go. I don’t ship your stupid so ship so OBVIOUSLY I’m homophobic!

Just to be clear, because you’re obviously new here, I don’t give two flying fucks about the ship. Ship it all you want. Write your fics and gush over them to your heart’s content. What I cannot stand is the Hellers, who insist their ship is canon, that Dean is bi (he’s not) and harass the actors, writers, and producers that it must be made canon.

And if you perused my main blog you would see that I enjoy many LGBTQ+ ships. McDanno, Malec, David and Patrick from Schitt’s creek (what is their ship name?), and others.

So, TLDR, no, I’m not homophobic, I just hate Hellers.

[heller-meta-of-the-day]

July 13th, 2026

Oh heller, if Dean was going to strangle ANY actor, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be Jensen. 🤨

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

#the homophobes in this fandom are almost all wincesties

And how does that work, exactly? Oh right! It's because we don't think Dean was in big romantic love with Castiel. Right, right, uh huh, yeah. See, I keep forgetting that the definition of "homophobe" is, apparently, "doesn't think Destiel was the real story of Supernatural."

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Anything that can be claimed "proves" Destiel was canon can be either balanced by or overpowered completely by examples that would "prove" Wincest was canon. And this is the root of the issue with folks who insist that Destiel was purposefully being written into the show as a romantic relationship.

And like, it's not a fucking competition... or it shouldn't be.

We're all just supposed to be having fun playing with our blorbos and smashing them together in ways that make us happy.

But, a very loud handful of folks (hellers) have proven themselves to be maga-esque in their relationship with facts and truth, and have been doggedly trying to retcon canon to turn it into something it wasn't.

Ship who you want to ship, but be aware of what the show actually was. And as a reminder, it wasn't a romance, it was a fantasy horror story about two brothers trying to save the world and, by extension, save each other.

[heller-meta-of-the-day]

June 9th, 2026

#and what do you think is the BIGGEST question MOST FANS will have after the end of the series????#regardless if you ship it or not like if you were watching this shit blind and that was the end wouldn’t you want to know??? Hellers really have NO idea what the show is about, do they? They are so focused on a fanon ship, they truly believe EVERYONE else is as well.

[catnipster69]

You mean this end of the show?

Agree. I also want to talk about how Sam and Dean were the loves of each other’s lives.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

And we can talk about that with Jared and Jensen without making them uncomfortable. Because not only was the show about "The Epic Love Story of Sam and Dean" (as Sera Gamble and Eric Kripke have referred to it) but we also know where the line is between the brothers' relationship in the show vs. the fanon ship.

If shippers of Destiel want to ask questions about Dean and Castiel's actual relationship in the show (friends and brothers-in-arms, and all the ups and downs they had) they are welcome to do so. The problems arise when it becomes apparent that the questioner doesn't know where the line between canon and fanon is.

Canon is fair game for asking the cast about.

Fanon should stay in fan only spaces, unless a cast member has made it clear that they are okay with discussing fanon. A few of them are, Jensen is not one of them.

As Mark Sheppard is so fond of saying, "Write your own fan fiction."

[catnipster69]

Jensen dislikes Destiel because it’s not what the show was about. The show was about Sam and Dean. As Dean said, “What show you been watching?”

[heller-meta-of-the-day]

June 6th, 2026

Jensen Ackles Said Something Stupid About Destiel aka Jensen Ackles Said Something ANTI Destiel.

Hellers have NO respect for Jensen unless he says something that they can twist into being pro destiel.

Destiel was real, and ultimately intended by roughly half the people writing the scripts. It was not imagined, or in fandom’s head, and it is canonically a core theme within the show Oh really? Where's the proof of this delusion statement? Yeah, I'm not waiting for it, take your time heller, because it doesn't exist.

Hmm, speaking of things that don't exist:

[catnipster69]

Misha has been clear that he never played Cas as being in love with Dean or being gay until sometime in season 15! He has said this repeatedly. “Destiel was real and fully intended by roughly half the people writing scripts.” Oh, really. Do tell.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

I want someone to name all the writers who are on record as having intentionally written Destiel into the show... I'm not holding my breath for this, but the list would be really short, far from half.

Also, the most common read on Dean Winchester would be the general audience one where he was heterosexual. Most people do not get into m/m ships. For those who do, then you could say that Destiel was one of the two popular ships, the other one being Wincest. That has always been the case. And yeah, there are likely more folks who prefer Destiel because the incest thing squicks a lot of people (cowards imo), but Wicest existed first and persists to this day.

But, yeah regardless of all that, please stop asking Jensen about Destiel. He knows who he is and who he played Dean as, and it's not something that needs to be fixed with therapy. And this insistence that he's somehow really in the closet about either Dean or himself is rude af.

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

How many fucking times does the man have to tell you he doesn't think Destiel is canon before y'all stop asking him stupid fucking shipping questions? There may have been some writers that pandered to the Hellers and told them what they wanted to hear on twitter, sure, but that shit never made it to the scripts. Because it WASN'T FUCKING CANON. The only reason Mooshy played Castiel as the "gay angel" was because he was trying to pander to the Hellers, he knew the show was ending, and he could sell Destiel merch from Stands. God, y'all are MAGA level delusional. STFU already.

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

Why are Hellers named Hellers?

The full name is Destihellers. You take their ship, Destiel, and they are annoying as hell, so the two were combined to become Destihellers, and for short, Hellers. I believe that's all there is to it, someone let me know if there's anything else.

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

The rumour about Jensens sexuality actually didnt come from Hellers this time (a shocker ikr), but recently some people think he is gay because of his "loveless" marriage with his wife (for the loveless part you would need to deep dive into the janeel tag) and that he is using that marriage as a cover up.

Others think that because of how he acts in recent shows with female co workers. They dont see the spark in intimate scenes or something like that so they think there is no spark because he isnt attracted to women. (I did hear that he stated he wasnt comfortable with intimate scenes anymore not bc he is gay but because he just doesnt like it anymore).

Or some people simpy never saw him as a straight man. I personally dont think any of this is proof that he is gay? He also stated once that he is a ladies lover just like Dean is so i belive his words more about his identity and sexuality than rumours which is logical.

pretty guy often get called gay, that happend to lots of other good looking actors, singers, etc. And when reading some of the "jensen is gay proof" it seems like they would never say he is gay if he had a happy marriage. (I hope this sentence makes sense bc it does in my head)

I hope nothing that I said came over as offensive, if it did i apologize English is not my first language so if some wordings seem harsh it was not meant to sound like that.

no offense taken!

yeah, i think he is extremely uncomfortable with intimate scenes and people are taking this to mean he doesn't like women lol.

as for being in a loveless marriage, how would they know? jensen and danneel had to withdraw from social media because people are nuts and pushed things too far. so we have no idea what their marriage looks like.

people are way too comfortable assuming people's sexual identities and it has to stop. the only way you confirm someone's sexual identity, is if they tell you.

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

I dont want to sound rude or anything but lately i have been seeing people talking about Jensen being gay. And i was confused because i heard that he himself said that he is not. Idk if these are rumours or not so i just wanted to ask if you know anything about this.

Jensen has not said he is gay. That was probably Hellers wishing he is and proclaiming it as true. They are extremely delusional.

[heller-meta-of-the-day]

June 2nd, 2026

When hellers don't get their way, their next step is always violence.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

And like, even if this was intended as a joke, this is not a rational reaction to an actor not going along with your ship. And Jensen wasn't saying not to ship it, either. He was just saying, again, that he played Dean as a straight guy who was not in love love with either Castiel or Sam. Both Destiel and Wincest are fanon ships.

Canon gave us Castiel, right before he died, telling Dean that he loved him and had found true happiness in just fully accepting that fact about himself, but that Dean could not reciprocate... because he did not reciprocate.

Canon then gave us Dean, right before he died, telling Sam that he loved him and that everything had always been about the two of them being together and he'd been so happy that Sam had chosen to stick by him through it all. Because Sam was the love of Dean's life, not in a romantic way, just in Dean's own weird way and that was just what it was. Brothers.

If you ship Destiel and want it to be the "most iconic love story ever told," then run with that. But that really, truly was not what the show was about... And that's okay. Ship it anyway.

This need/belief that Destiel was somehow the actual, secret, but true canon story in Supernatural, though??? That's weird. Stop pushing it on people and just learn to separate the show from the fan fiction.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

I love how it seems like, after he's been pushed about Destiel and Cockles, Jensen seems to quadruple down on "Hey, you know who I love? Jared. You know who's my BFF? Jared. You want to hear something motivational? Let me tell you about the bestest human being I know, who's presence changed my world forever for the better... Jared Padalecki."

[impala-in-gotham]

I don't put much stock in what the actor men say because actors rarely watch their own shows, especially not a 15 season one. He's only aware of his own scenes for the most part. I put more stock in the writers takes which we know put in romantic parallels on purpose.

Also, you can't hurt me with seeing it as non-romantic because I'm aromantic and a platonic bond/soulmate still has a whole lot of weight.

But can we all agree comparing a queer ship to incest is an absolutely horrible opinion to share?? Can someone sit them down and explain that at the very least? I assure you the queer fans are not the ones shipping brothers.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

He didn't compare "a queer ship to incest."

He compared two m/m ships, one of which is an incest ship.

Like it or not, Destiel is just a ship just like Wincest is just a ship. They are both fictional ships based off of the relationships presented in the actual show. Neither of them was any more canon than the other. Because if we're talking about the writers putting in romantic parallels then we are also, very much talking about Wincest, too. The show is FILLED with Sam and Dean being compared to romantic couples, and being mistaken as a gay couple. It happens a few times a season, including during the first three seasons before Cas was introduced.

If you like imagining that Cas and Dean were actually in love love, that's fine, but that was no more a part of the show than Sam and Dean being in love love.

So what Jensen said was that Destiel is just a ship, just like Wincest is just a ship. And then he said that he is fine with fans shipping the characters and thinks it's great that we find inspiration in the show to create so many stories based off it.

But y'all need to get down off your high horse, your ship is no better or more morally pure than any other. The puritanical conflation of fiction somehow equaling reality has gotten beyond ridiculous at this point.

[quickreaver]

Nah, OP, we can’t agree. Because the point Jensen was making sailed right over your head. I get it; you don’t like Wincest. This is fair. But that’s not what Jensen was saying, writ large. He was reiterating that a ship is a fanfiction convention and as such, doesn’t automatically relate to the canon. Because in fandom, we write/draw what we please. I personally wish we’d leave the cast/crew’s say-so out of fandom’s doings. And clearly, so does Jensen. But sometimes, you get what you ask for, but not in the way you want it…

[destiel-doesnt-exist]

the AUDACITY to say that Jensen was only aware of his own scenes. wtaf. this man loves supernatural so much that he created a spinoff because he didn't want to leave the supernatural universe. he may not remember episode numbers/names or what happened in them, but they film things out of order, and change the names of episodes all the time, so that is not that unusual. also, hello? they filmed FIFTEEN seasons of the show! he's not going to remember every single detail of every single episode. that does not change the fact that he knows how he played Dean for FIFTEEN seasons and that he played him straight and NOT in love with castiel.

[caio-silva]

Friendly reminder that Jensen was just the actor, not a writer or the showrunner. The actual writers of the show have confirmed and shown the exact opposite: yes, Dean did reciprocate.

There are multiple deliberate parallels between Dean and Cas and other couples on the show, which clearly confirm that their relationship was written romantically.

In the final season, the writers repeatedly used Sam and Eileen’s romantic relationship as a mirror for Dean and Cas’s. One example: when Eileen tells Sam she doesn’t know what’s real anymore because of Chuck, Sam kisses her and says “I know that was real.” This directly mirrors the scene earlier in the season where Dean tells Cas that nothing in their lives is real because of Chuck, and Cas replies, “You asked what about all of this is real? We are.”

Another clear parallel: Sam loses Eileen and Dean loses Cas literally in the same episode, 15x18. In fact, the entire episode where Castiel confesses was built around characters losing their love interests, starting with Charlie losing Stevie, specifically to set up and mirror Dean losing Cas at the end. The writers genuinely could not have made it any clearer.

On top of that, they introduced Adam and Serafina — a human and an angel who were deeply in love — literally one episode before Castiel’s confession. That was obviously not accidental. It was clear foreshadowing and an extremely direct parallel to Dean and Castiel. Everyone knows the biblical Adam and Eve story, but Supernatural deliberately changed the narrative specifically to mirror Dean and Cas — a human and an angel, just like Adam and Serafina.

They did the exact same thing with Cain. They didn’t even cast an actor to play Abel. Instead, they created an entirely new character, Colette, Cain’s great love, specifically so she could mirror Castiel in Dean’s life. Cain literally tells Dean, “You’re living my life in reverse,” and says that Dean will kill Cas first and then Sam. Since Cain killed his brother first and then his love interest, Dean living the story in reverse means Cas is his Colette (the love interest) and Sam is his Abel (the brother). That was extremely explicit. That is not subtext — that is text.

And finally, in episode 15x19, right after Cas’s confession and death, Lucifer impersonates Cas in order to manipulate Dean into letting him in. That is the ultimate confirmation that Dean reciprocated. The show had already established Lucifer’s consistent method: he always impersonates the person’s dead love interest in order to manipulate them into letting him in. He did it with Nick by impersonating his dead wife Sarah, with Sam by impersonating Jessica, his dead girlfriend, and with Vince Vicente by impersonating Jen, his dead lover. And he did it with Dean by impersonating Cas.

Therefore, Castiel is canonically Dean’s love interest. Destiel is canon. You cannot argue against these canon facts.

[arkvark2]

lol the script by Berens LITERALLY said Dean does not reciprocate. The rest of your "proof" is fanfiction. Colette was not mentioned for 1.5 seasons, the general audience does not remember her. The season Colette was mentioned, Sam literally told Dean to "stop", and Dean did. Cain said Sam's death will hurt Dean the most, not Cas.

[nancylou444]

🤣🤣 OP, those aren't "canon" facts. They're delusional "parallels" that mean nothing out of context.

Canon:

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Therefore:

[bucketofme]

How are the words of irrelevant actor canon or even worth consideration when the actual canon never implied Destiel doesn't exist?

Yes Dean loves Sam same way Cain loves Abel and loves Cas same way he loves Collete, literally the script you posted show's that, Dean couldn't reciprocate because he wa stunned and confused, no where is it stated he doesn't reciprocate.

Where is Sam the most important to Dean, he literally offered to kill him it get Cas back,not to mention he seemed way higher on Dean's priorities both in Purgatory and not only.

Also random quotes an emotionally distressed character is giving are your proof? Dean also said he would rather Sam being dead over Charlie in s10, well I guess he cares for everyone more than Sam using your logic.

Anti destiels stop embarrassing yourself,go write your fanfiction on Ao3 and leave people talk about the canon romantic plotlines of the show alone

[wif-san]

Lol He’s not irrelevant because he played a huge part in crafting Dean in bringing him to life, and literally lived and breathed Dean Winchester for over 15 years.

Cass was never Collette, Dean barely tolerated him most of the time and I don’t think he ever once stopped for Cass, in the entirety of the series, except maybe if Cass threatened harm to him. If anyone was a Colette parallel it was Sam and Dean actually took back control of the mark and stopped when Sam called out to him to stop.

If Dean’s lack of reciprocation was purely due to being stunned it would have said “didn’t” or at least would have left it at “too stunned to respond” not “couldn’t” as “couldn’t” in this instance means “not capable”. The way it was worded is truly damming because: “could have, but didn’t because too stunned to say anything in that moment” vs “couldn’t, because sexuality not compatible” regardless of time constraints.

No, Sam and Dean offered to kill each other to get Chuck to bring EVERYONE including Cass back, with no indication that Dean had any intention to live on regardless of which scenario Chuck chose. Also, the only reason that Cass was specifically mentioned is because he wasn’t disappeared by Chuck like everyone else on earth, he was slurped away by the empty, so if they left it at “bring back everyone you disappeared” Chuck definitely wouldn’t have bothered with Cass, and as it was their friend, they had to at least ask.

Those quotes are proof because Dean meant them with his whole heart, and proved it too, as by Dean’s actions, certainly no individual person or being was ever more important to him than Sam.

The first time in purgatory he had no reason to think that Sam was in danger, so of course he was’t going to just abandon his friend without even trying. The second time however, when Dean knew for a fact that Sam was in danger from Chuck, he was literally going to abandon Cass in purgatory to run to Sam, and the only reason Cass made it out that time was because he got himself out of the mess he was in and back to Dean before Dean hopped out of the portal. Also, when he said that to Sam over Charlie, he had the Mark of Cain, was grieving Charlie and was being petty and hurtful over that, but not serious, as he’s never even considered sacrificing Sam for anyone, and would trade literally anyone for Sam (and has).

[bucketofme]

exactly he is so irrelevant despite playing him for 15 years never has gis thoughts and feelings considered for the finale, didn't even understood a vital part of the so such as Destiel.

Cas was always Collete as shown in the show and confirmed by the writer,the love of Dean's life, the man Dean couldn't survive without,his everything as he has called him. He only stopped bc if Cas, he didn't hurt Sam bc he remembered what he did to Sam, Dean's love for Cas saved Sam. He was pathetically head over heels for him even when Cas treated him badly

Dena has offered to kill Sam for Cas and Cas was so vital to Dean and Dean's survival Chuck refused to bring him back no matter what which ended up being the right call bc as proven Dean can't even live without Cas,he was crying and begging to be dead than live a life without him. Even if he cared for others Cas was always the main objective shown by the emphasis in the sentence, Cas is literally Dean's everything after all as stated by him in 13x01.

It's not even the first time Dean doesn't even care for Sam when it comes to Cas' safety, Purgatory both times, he basically didn't acre about him, in the trap especially Sam was being tortured by God and all Dean cared about was Cas , falling on his knees and begging for forgiveness (even though it was Cas who wronged him Dean didn't care Cas was vital to him). Getting Cas back from Lucifer too, Sam whining like a cry baby about how dangerous it is and Dean doesn't even care he only cares about Cas. He knows if the plan bacn tracked they would have all being killed but getting the love of his life back was what's most important not Sam.

As for Dean's reciprocation, I mean he was the one obviously in love even if he didn't know Cas felt the same and the script made it clear ,the script literally made it clear, Dean was never excepting it he was stunned and confused whe it happened,and despite that he literally told Cas not to do this,to not sacrifice himself so only he can live ,he preferred to die with him than live without him Cas had to push him away, and Dean even after doing everything to get him back he failed and chose death over a life without him,he literally begged to be dead than live with Sam or anyone that isn't Castiel after all Cas was his everything.

[wif-san]

No writer ever confirmed that, Dean has never called Cass that, nor said that about him. Genuinely, the only one Dean has actually said he can’t live without is Sam “I couldn’t live with you dead” and has demonstrated by being willing to do anything to get Sam back EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. SAM. DIED. Which is why Sam was his everything. For Cass, at most he asked for him to be brought back, but offered nothing for Cass and only Cass, because with Chuck at the end of s15 that was for everyone on earth, because Chuck poofed them away, and they threw in Cass because he was their friend and wasn’t automatically included, necessitating a specific mention to be included, because he was slurped away by the empty, not poofed away by Chuck.

He was taking a moment to say something to Cass before he left because he didn’t want to leave things with his friend on a bad note, since he was then going to get up leave purgatory and abandon Cass to run to Sam. If Dean really loved and needed Cass like that, he wouldn’t have been ready to and telling Cass that he was going to leave him in purgatory to run to Sam’s aid. Dean didn’t kill himself, his death was an accident and he only told Sam no deals or extreme measures because as Dean literally said to Sam, he was tired of running around in apocalyptic circles because deals come with consequences, but if Sam could have saved Dean without such consequences then Dean would have accepted it. Dean just didn’t see a way out without such consequences.

[collegeboysam]

every spn convention they try to waterboard jensen into saying he loves deancas and this time he gasped "wincest" when he could finally come out for air. yeah okay why not

[collegeboysam]

[soulless-puppy]

His verbatim wording on the recording is “The Wincest! There’s a name for it!”

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

There is a certain portion of Destiel shippers that have somehow fallen for their own fan fiction. They seem to believe that Dean really was in big romantic love with Castiel but that it had to be kept secret because of Big Homophobia™️. They believe that the fan fiction filter they placed over the show was part of the original story. They dug in searching for something, anything to lend credence to what they wanted to be going on. So they picked it apart reading into lighting choices and lamp placements, desperately in search of patterns they could point to. And then other fans who have fallen for the same delusion just reinforce it back and forth until they think that if they just ask Jensen the right way at the right time, he'll finally be able to speak to the "truth" of the show. The fact that they all went "Noooooo!" when he brought up Wincest and compared it to Destiel is because they honestly seem to think they're different. Wincest is weird and icky and not for polite company, not like the "really real" love they think they see between Dean and Castiel. Nevermind the fact that the show was actually all about Sam and Dean, and that everyone, even Misha, has pointed that out repeatedly and consistently over the years. No, if they just believe hard enough, want it badly enough, ask it often enough, then one day they will succeed at making the story something it clearly wasn't and they will have won. It's weird and cult-like and I feel so bad for Jensen having to deal with over and over and over.

But yeah, I am petty enough that hearing Jensen bring up Wincest, unprompted, and use it as a touchstone to try and put Destiel in perspective (as the fan fiction it also is) made my fucking day. Not only to hear him say the ship name, but because he held it up like it was a string of garlic he was using to try and ward off a vampire. Lol!

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

-@markofcandycain

Perfectly said!

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Part of what makes my eye twitch about the ship is how I see people refer to Tumblr as "the destiel website."

[sambreasts]

long as hell but here's the transcript for that question from Purcon 10, Jensenmisha panel (the [???] is when i couldn't understand something)