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[deutane]

hello!! I’d like to ask would you be able to do a character analysis on Mugm? 😅 I lowkey wanna make like a bliss smp gacha reaction video but I can’t promise anything being that accurate (probably because my attention span is low and i can give up on vods anytime.) so I’m wondering if you can do an analysis on his bliss character ^_^ THANK YOU if you do answer.

Doing Mugm rants has always been super intresting for me. Mainly because most of my claims for the LONGESTTT time had no proof behind it. But the recent Q lore stream has actually helped be a ton!

Mugms time on bliss has been centered around one big prompt. Fitting the stereotype other people place onto you, what I mean by that is basically as soon as Mugm joined Bliss he was pretty much given the role of a villain. He didn’t do anything to deserve it imo- he was no different then any other player! The only I guess major difference is that he was good at the game.

And being good at the game and having ambition meant you were not only a threat. But the main threat of the server, essentially meaning anything Mugm did at the time was seen as an act of violence against the server. Even though at first he was literally do nothing different then everyone else.

Personally for me I think Mugm didn’t fully recognize the fact he was playing a role at first. Mainly because of how ignorant he was, season two for him was full of his genuine reactions when things happen. And essentially being unaware he was assisting in creating a mold for what he’s “meant to be”

I think I should word that last paragraph a bit better and go more in detail. Mugm during early season two didn’t fully recognize that he was seen as a threat beyond belief.

He knew that he was dangerous, I mean there was a lot of hype to him at the time. Basically impossible for him to not that he’s dangerous. But he didn’t know that being dangerous allowed the floodgates of him being targeted.

During the netherite arc there wasn’t much reason for him to be targeted at the time. But he and by proxy his team were solo’d out as the “bad guys”. Despite literally doing nothing different then anyone else, theu werent exploiting, werent breaking any rules, not being rude, they were literally just trying to kill the ender dragon.

However gets complicated after that, because Mugm goes on his whole quest to get the ENTIRE set. Meaning he was completely devoted to kill for it, or to betray for it. And that he does! Both kill and betray for that set. To me personally it shows a disconnect he has to people and items.

Him betraying Wyll for the netherite pants had two like main parts. The first being he did it because he felt that he needed to be on top, and second he didn’t find the alliance with Wyll more beneficial than the pants.

The disconnect between people and items makes it so his young ignorance grew. Because he also WON having that disconnect, doing“bad” things to people. Meaning it worked for him so there’s no reason to not continue the thinking that being close to people isnt any more then items that give you an edge in a fight

That disconnect continues throughout all of season two. His arrogance being a creation of the surrounding area and people, during Gamebreakers arc when he joined the Gamebreakers and betrayed Astral Divnity he did it because he felt bad for Togez and Wyll.

He arrogantly thought that Gamebreakers NEEDED him to be on the team to be a threat. And I guess he wasn’t wrong completely, but again the only reason he was right was because the rest of the server followed that thought process. They also thought it, minus Wyll and Togez mainly. But that’s just because they hated his ass to hell and back and made Gamebreakers to literally be feared and beat Mugm- which ig did work in the end highkey bc Wyll had the axe exploit and made Mugm run and then they both lost exploits blah blah blah yeah…

And when Wyll left for vacation of course it was him who got leadership of Gamebreakers. Who else would it be given to? Of course he’s the one allowed to call the shots. He’s the most important member isnt he?

This thought process is also seen in finale. Where Mugm obviously tries to collect all of the wire fragments. Because who wouldnt start collecting them?? But he’s so protective over them it fuels doubt in Wyll. And he’s mainly protective because he doesn’t see Wyll as an equal, but a follower.

Everyone to Mugm at this time was a follower, someone beneath him. I mean he even admits it during the End Fragment where he literally says that he’s the one running the shots. And tells Wyll to “just take it” and let him say whatever he wants.

Which all of this kinda brings me to a final point about s2. Wyll betraying Mugm is in my opinion the only reason why Mugm ever grew up out of his arrogance. If Wyll didn’t betray him, he would’ve won. And winning once again proves him that the mindset that EVERYONE is beneath him, tbat HE is the ONLY reason why teams are a threat, that doing horrible things mean winning.

Wyll gave Mugm his first true taste of failure.

That’s also a pretty solid reason why Mugm is weirdly not-normal about Wyll. Like in a “this guy is like the most important person in my life” not-normal. Also csnt really blame the guy, Wyll being the first person to ACTUALLY make Mugm loose something after being “beneath him” all of this time changes how someone thinks.

It’s also the main reason why Mugm has stuck with the same goal pretty much the entire season. End season three like season two shouldve.

He faced his loss, and he recognizes his arrogance and has called himself stupid for behaving and thinking that way in the past. But facing that loss and changing his mindset makes it so he now is open to failure, and sees it as a step to winning instead of total loss.

Doesn’t mean he LIKES failure though, hell no- no one enjoys dying and loosing everything, watching someone cheat in fights, or just lie in general. That isn’t fun, but instead of taking that as either a reason to start being arrogant again OR being completely utter failure no return.

He actually tries to think of strategy other than brute force “I’m the best player on the server” mentality.

Really the entire thing with Mugm is insane growth of yourself. After being facilitated in a toxic enviorment and unknowingly molded into a role. That he played to perfection because it’s literally all he knew and it WORKED for what he wanted to do.

Imo this rant is super sloppy and bad… but I really wanted to get this out sob. I will probably one day come back to this and rewrite it or add onto it!! Especially since I didn’t talk about Mani, Golen Dream, or weapon talks… my bad guys… I’ll do better next time gulp

Have fun with reacts ^^ those are always so fun to watch if you ever do complete it feel free to send link to it to me I’m interested

[deutane]

Mugm analysis will be posted sometime today ^^ (it was highkey meant to be posted earlier but I’m a lazy bum)

It’ll cover both season two and season three and as of rn is only one part and I don’t think I’ll be splitting it into two but that might change depending on how I wanna add later

[deutane]

Ok so second part of deu yapfest. If you haven’t read the first post you should, there’s a reason that this is a follow up. There’s a ton of context and things I’ll refrence from that post. Sorry if some of this seems incoherent or doesn’t flow very well, this was written across multiple days

Disclaimer: this post is HEAVY on my interpretation of Wyll as a character. There’s also major spoilers for S3 as a whole, and discussion of S2 lost media as no vods had been saved from that time period.

Wyll is a big fat fucking liar. End of rant!

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No okay so Wyll is a major liar and I think everyone knows that. And if you don’t? Well now you do, that guy lies a lot. But most of his lies I can see is really centered around lying to himself. Though I don’t think Wyll as a character would agree with that take.

The reason I claim that most of his lies center around lying to himself is because of season 2. Season 2 Wyll was… using his own words “pathetic” and in my terms? Desperate.

A lot of his character is centered around being seen by other people as someone worth respecting. And that respect on bliss is normally gained by power or some kind of control.

It’s why I mentioned in the first part of this analysis I mentioned the fact he failed at a monopoly. A monoply is a clear cut sign of control over something, and control of something in mass means control over what leaves and enters. Essentially making the one at the top the sole power of the product

Which that shoots both of the ways to gain “respect” on bliss at the time. However his fail from this attempt being the first of many, was the domino that caused a spiral in his mind.

Wyll had a weird obsession with Mugm during s2. It was focused on the fact Mugm was someone to be feared because of how strong he was. So for awhile Wyll idolized him or I guess mave not idolized.

I don’t think Wyll has any “idols” but it was more of a want to catch up. A feeling of inferiority to Mugm despite being one of the people who gave Mugm most of his material power.

All of this inferiority stemming from something he couldn’t be made his egomaniac behaviors worse. Wyll has the perfect inflection and tone of the worst. person. alive. The milisecond you do something that he thinks it’s dumb he makes an entire argument against you just about it. He was like a twitter stan with how much he focused on shit. And the worst part is he’s stanning himself

Those egomaniac behaviors were born from inferiority. Not being able to get respect from strangers really messed him up, he wanted to be feared so bad but he just wasn’t someone to be scared of. I mean the second Mugm pointed a sword at him and told him to drop the netherite pants he folded.

I think another good point to make is why he betrayed Mugm is a more lore focused view then content. He betrayed Mugm because he realized Mugm wasn’t gonna give him anything, especially after “lying” to him about his knowledge of the gold gem.

And he felt he was entitled so some portion of power. Mainly because of his own insecurities driving a desire for power. And when he betrayed Mugm he became the thing he wanted all along. Someone with power, respect, and basically all of the success that he was aiming for this entire time.

So you would expect him to be satisfied with it right? I mean he himself said he was satisfied when he banned himself off the server. But no! This guy can’t help but hold grudges until he fucking dies!

I mean I don’t exactly blame him, but the second he sees Mugm in s3 he starts his petty strike once again. I actually find it really funny because I myself really like the cyborg/android interpretation of Wyll. Because for cyborgs/androids you don’t really think that a man struggle with them is just how human they are. But for Wyll he is so disgustingly human!

The reason I say he’s so disgustingly human is because early s3 he had NO HONOR. And im saying that as a long time fan, he was not only a coward who led to his team loosing fights. As well as a coward that continually fought with very large alliances and switching sides often.

During Dragon Games is really the most obvious of these dishonorable things. Agreeing to an alliance with Brotherhood and at the same time also helping SAD. Which like, yeah do whatever you need to do to win the egg. But this alliance swapping, fighting in large teams are things that we see in most recent bliss that Wyll speaks lowly of.

Which is intresting to me, because really the moment we see this change of thinking. From wanting to prove himself to the entire server that he deserved to hold the mace, to calling them cowards. Is that first 5v1 when he lost his mace, it was genuinely humbling in my view.

Not to mention that same day, after the Mugm alliance talk on the desert village when saving kae from being gembroken. Is really one of the first and what I view as a pivotal moment of how he views the people close to him.

I know that he already viewed kae and napa as less because they weren’t as helpful or active. But that fight when he kept muting to talk about kae was such a clear moment on how he views and judges those around him when it comes to how helpful they are to him. Wyll holds both comfortability and functionality in teammates.

It does make me laugh a little whenever Wyll speaks on his dislike for other players. No matter who he’s talking about if its Kae, Q, Dolphin, Storm, or even Nezo. I’ve noticed he subtly projects onto them in a way, whenever he talks aboit how disappointed he is in Q or Kae for not doing their own thing.

It’s almost like he’s projecting an image of his younger self not doing his own thing and instead surrounding everything he did around his server members view of him. Or if he ever says how cowardly Nezo is for how he percieved brotherhood and acted on that, depsite the fact he did something of a similar level both in s2 and in s3. Or how much of a coward and foo Dol9 is for fighting in large groups despite him doing their same thing earlier on the season.

I will say is that I know he doesn’t regret his actions. Espically in season 2, without his selfish behaviors in season two he wouldn’t be one of the strongest players in this season. And he acknowledges this fact also in his conversation with kantje.

But if not the hypocrisy of how he thinks, the irony of him thinking that way because of the lack of care is funny to me. And the topic of lack of care brings me to the next thing about Wyll that has caught my attention!

Wyll has stopped caring about what the server thinks of him. A direct opposition of what his s2 and early s3 mindset was, and sometime after being told about the wire fragments and manifestation he stopped caring. With the only opinion he cares about is what Mugm thinks

Actually I think it was probably closer to the formation of TE that he stopped caring. I say that because during the same day that Wyll was told about Manifestation during Trial 2.1, his one on one talk with Q that we don’t have full access to (PLEASE RELEASE THAT TALK I NEEEEED IT TO BE IN A VIDEO). Wyll claimed that Q said something along the lines of him “becoming a weapon”

And he had a direct reaction to that in the moment when the first TE fight happened. When he killed Q with his mace and he said “want to see how much of a weapon I can be?”… that. That was really the last time I remember something getting to Wyll. Like truly actually affecting him, now I don’t think he like lost sleep over the weapon comment. But it definitely did affect him in some kind of way. But after that? After that fight? I really can’t think of anything.

The election during Honored One really showed his lack of care. Normally, s2 and early s3 Wyll wouldve worried way more. Worried about how the server thought of him, that if he didn’t get enough votes he wasn’t worthy and that kind of Wyll would flip worth in his head so much he’d loose its meaning. But during Honored One as a whole Wyll himself said that he didn’t care if he was seen as a ‘Mugm Minion’ because the Honored One was something that Mugm cared about. And he did it FOR Mugm not for himself

Or that Puqi conversation he had when building the mesa LE base. When Puqi called Wyll out for his lies and schemes, and brings up season two. Wyll just outright tells Puqi, “I don’t have to care about their opinions”

Like. I guess that’s what we’re doing now??? Which I also think this ENTIRE thing, the hypocritical actions from fighting on a large team to complaining about it to even the sudden changing of not needing validation. Is it hypocritical or is it growth?

This last section is very VERY inspired by what Nemvevo said on bliss today (June 29th) when Nem said that he has no respect for Wyll, because he’s a hypocrite and actually pretty much says exactly what I said about his talent of fighting with large teams to win respect. But is it hypocritical for Wyll to despise Horizon or Solar Flare for the large team against four, or is it growth?

Wyll admitted himself that he’s never taken on a large outnumbered fight until he got the mace. And even then most of them were 2v1s against him, until the Horizon 5v1 that costed him his mace. And that’s when he really got to feel how it was on the other side of things. And also really when he started to look down on the server as a whole, calling Horizon specifically cowards multiple times.

Honestly in my eyes it’s more growth then him being a hypocrite. He got a taste of his own medicine, got to experience what it was like to be on the receiving end of unfair fights. And his view on being on large teams against someone like Mugm changed DRASTICALLY because of that. So I think the argument about his “hypocritical” view point being more on growth is extremely valid here.

Not to mention the fact Wyll doesn’t care anymore on how the server views him. Maybe early s3 Wyll would’ve had a part of him doubt himself, maybe even hate the situation. If he heard majority of the server thought of him as a fraud. But because he doesn’t care about those views anymore long winded conversations about his choices and opinions now rarely happen. With the kantje interview being really the last long conversation about his ideals and choices on the server.

So apart of me says he shot himself in the foot with not caring. That the apathy he feels about others opinions excluding Mugm only pepturate the views against him. And I guess sure, the fact he doesn’t care does make the opinions against him worse. Because he doesn’t. care. at all really doesn’t matter if he “shot himself in the foot” because as long as Mugm is alright with whatever Wyll is doing he’s satisfied.

But that also goes back into one of the first things I mentioned about placing Mugm on some form of pedestal to idolize. But also not idolization? He holds Mugms views higher than a normal teammate would normally, but it’s not like he’s afraid to push back against something Mugm says because he disagrees.

And Wyll probably really appreciates the fact he can disagree knowing the two will actually have a discussion. Not one or the other immediately folding when whatever point they say gets shut down by the other. I don’t want this to turn into a pure entropy side plot so I’ll keep most of my words about the two of them for another rant another day.

All together Wyll is both extremely contradictory to himself but also solid in his beliefs. It’s such a weird mix of the two it’s really hard to explain to someone who hasn’t watched his growth overtime. Having the growing apathy of his character is so different to what he was when he first joined.

I mean he’s now so bored he’s purposly nerfing himself by making a binding vow to just have fun. When in s2 the only time he “nerfed” himself was at finale, when he let his exploits get taken away knowing s2!Mugm lost his exploits as well for one final fight. But he did that knowing no matter the outcome he was going to be seen as some kind of “hero” because of him going against s2!Mugm.

The circumstances I feel are too different to compare really. I mean one moment was him knowing he made his goal, got respect, made Mugm run from a duel, and also was feared at the same time. While the other moment is him being so bored that he’s winning he feels he lost his spark. Which I don’t want anyone to think I’m saying that’s unreasonable.

Him loosing some form of spark overtime is reasonable. It’s what happens when your one single overarching goal surrounded the entire servers gaze on you, and then you slowly just stop caring about it. It’s also not like Wyll attacks unprovoked, he normally waits until someone attacks him or something close to him. Or specifically asked by an ally or team member to attack first. I mean even really with Solar Flare he never really has attacked any one of them without being provoked or asked in recent times.

I feel like I’m talking myself in circles and I don’t wanna make this toooooo long I cut off peoples attention spans. So I’ll go ahead and cut myself off here, but I’m open to any discussions. Feel free to openly disagree, agree, make a comment, or ask questions in my asks ^^

[deutane]

Nohow brought up a very good point to me in dms!!! The fact I forgot about the stream that Wyll had after the mythics had been vaulted. Where he started to heavily doubt his capability as a teammate to Mugm as a moment where he did care!

I think for me this stream was less on how he cared about the server viewing him. It was very centered around Mugm and how Mugm thought of him, a lot of the doubt was built around the fact he couldn’t handle his ones in a 2v2 without the mythics.

That last bit is probably the most important. Without the mythics. Because we kinda all know that Wyll being taunted with being mythic made or mugm minion is just a regular occurrence on Bliss. In my view the doubt that is built around the taunts is a moment of weakness in an apathetic shield that is slowly getting built.

But the weakness is less built on his old fears, being on how he is viewed from the server. And more like basing a fear around how Mugm may think of him if the taunts were right or god forbid Mugm listened to any of them with genuine interest. I don’t think in the moment he’s actually concerned that the server thinks of him as this weak little mythic made guy. But definitely worried if Mugm will start to think of him like that, although I’m pretty sure the dude couldnt gaf if he tried-

[deutane]

i loveeee ur stuff on wyll bc ur so right hes simultaneously going back at his actions with his words but hes so solid in what he believes that is i feel like hes also prob one of the most honest characters in bliss he’ll omit stuff but what he says is what he truly believes in at the time (BUT like you said he does lie to himself and in that case is he rly liar if he believes in what he is saying is true? idkk) kantje said that what wyll said is very close what he expected to what wyll would say solely bc wyll has never been the kind of person to not say what he believes in but his current beliefs contradicts what he usedto do/believe which speaks more of his growth what nem said today abt wyll is correct bc it is true and wyll has grown from it but nem doesnt need to respect(wrong word i think but i cant think of a better one) that change

anyways more wyll yap? yes?

I adore calling wyll honest in my talks knowing this guy makes a name for himself by lying and being a genuine rat. A lot of his honesty that is actually honest- does get quite overlooked by members though not only because he’s an asshole but also bc of the actions he contradicts via words!

Nodding about growth, that is also a very important thing to note. That like no matter what it is, him growing or being a fraud. That no one has to respect him for whatever growth he’s done. I mean the closest person that may respect that growth would be Mugm. But I think it can also be in the direction of being greatful Wyll isnt as emotional. Not super recognizing the actual growth of his actions and reactions.

More Wyll yap coming soon… part three may take a long time also… but to bridge that gap there’s quite a few rants I wanna do before I post it ^^

[deutane]

Ok so second part of deu yapfest. If you haven’t read the first post you should, there’s a reason that this is a follow up. There’s a ton of context and things I’ll refrence from that post. Sorry if some of this seems incoherent or doesn’t flow very well, this was written across multiple days

Disclaimer: this post is HEAVY on my interpretation of Wyll as a character. There’s also major spoilers for S3 as a whole, and discussion of S2 lost media as no vods had been saved from that time period.

Wyll is a big fat fucking liar. End of rant!

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No okay so Wyll is a major liar and I think everyone knows that. And if you don’t? Well now you do, that guy lies a lot. But most of his lies I can see is really centered around lying to himself. Though I don’t think Wyll as a character would agree with that take.

The reason I claim that most of his lies center around lying to himself is because of season 2. Season 2 Wyll was… using his own words “pathetic” and in my terms? Desperate.

A lot of his character is centered around being seen by other people as someone worth respecting. And that respect on bliss is normally gained by power or some kind of control.

It’s why I mentioned in the first part of this analysis I mentioned the fact he failed at a monopoly. A monoply is a clear cut sign of control over something, and control of something in mass means control over what leaves and enters. Essentially making the one at the top the sole power of the product

Which that shoots both of the ways to gain “respect” on bliss at the time. However his fail from this attempt being the first of many, was the domino that caused a spiral in his mind.

Wyll had a weird obsession with Mugm during s2. It was focused on the fact Mugm was someone to be feared because of how strong he was. So for awhile Wyll idolized him or I guess mave not idolized.

I don’t think Wyll has any “idols” but it was more of a want to catch up. A feeling of inferiority to Mugm despite being one of the people who gave Mugm most of his material power.

All of this inferiority stemming from something he couldn’t be made his egomaniac behaviors worse. Wyll has the perfect inflection and tone of the worst. person. alive. The milisecond you do something that he thinks it’s dumb he makes an entire argument against you just about it. He was like a twitter stan with how much he focused on shit. And the worst part is he’s stanning himself

Those egomaniac behaviors were born from inferiority. Not being able to get respect from strangers really messed him up, he wanted to be feared so bad but he just wasn’t someone to be scared of. I mean the second Mugm pointed a sword at him and told him to drop the netherite pants he folded.

I think another good point to make is why he betrayed Mugm is a more lore focused view then content. He betrayed Mugm because he realized Mugm wasn’t gonna give him anything, especially after “lying” to him about his knowledge of the gold gem.

And he felt he was entitled so some portion of power. Mainly because of his own insecurities driving a desire for power. And when he betrayed Mugm he became the thing he wanted all along. Someone with power, respect, and basically all of the success that he was aiming for this entire time.

So you would expect him to be satisfied with it right? I mean he himself said he was satisfied when he banned himself off the server. But no! This guy can’t help but hold grudges until he fucking dies!

I mean I don’t exactly blame him, but the second he sees Mugm in s3 he starts his petty strike once again. I actually find it really funny because I myself really like the cyborg/android interpretation of Wyll. Because for cyborgs/androids you don’t really think that a man struggle with them is just how human they are. But for Wyll he is so disgustingly human!

The reason I say he’s so disgustingly human is because early s3 he had NO HONOR. And im saying that as a long time fan, he was not only a coward who led to his team loosing fights. As well as a coward that continually fought with very large alliances and switching sides often.

During Dragon Games is really the most obvious of these dishonorable things. Agreeing to an alliance with Brotherhood and at the same time also helping SAD. Which like, yeah do whatever you need to do to win the egg. But this alliance swapping, fighting in large teams are things that we see in most recent bliss that Wyll speaks lowly of.

Which is intresting to me, because really the moment we see this change of thinking. From wanting to prove himself to the entire server that he deserved to hold the mace, to calling them cowards. Is that first 5v1 when he lost his mace, it was genuinely humbling in my view.

Not to mention that same day, after the Mugm alliance talk on the desert village when saving kae from being gembroken. Is really one of the first and what I view as a pivotal moment of how he views the people close to him.

I know that he already viewed kae and napa as less because they weren’t as helpful or active. But that fight when he kept muting to talk about kae was such a clear moment on how he views and judges those around him when it comes to how helpful they are to him. Wyll holds both comfortability and functionality in teammates.

It does make me laugh a little whenever Wyll speaks on his dislike for other players. No matter who he’s talking about if its Kae, Q, Dolphin, Storm, or even Nezo. I’ve noticed he subtly projects onto them in a way, whenever he talks aboit how disappointed he is in Q or Kae for not doing their own thing.

It’s almost like he’s projecting an image of his younger self not doing his own thing and instead surrounding everything he did around his server members view of him. Or if he ever says how cowardly Nezo is for how he percieved brotherhood and acted on that, depsite the fact he did something of a similar level both in s2 and in s3. Or how much of a coward and foo Dol9 is for fighting in large groups despite him doing their same thing earlier on the season.

I will say is that I know he doesn’t regret his actions. Espically in season 2, without his selfish behaviors in season two he wouldn’t be one of the strongest players in this season. And he acknowledges this fact also in his conversation with kantje.

But if not the hypocrisy of how he thinks, the irony of him thinking that way because of the lack of care is funny to me. And the topic of lack of care brings me to the next thing about Wyll that has caught my attention!

Wyll has stopped caring about what the server thinks of him. A direct opposition of what his s2 and early s3 mindset was, and sometime after being told about the wire fragments and manifestation he stopped caring. With the only opinion he cares about is what Mugm thinks

Actually I think it was probably closer to the formation of TE that he stopped caring. I say that because during the same day that Wyll was told about Manifestation during Trial 2.1, his one on one talk with Q that we don’t have full access to (PLEASE RELEASE THAT TALK I NEEEEED IT TO BE IN A VIDEO). Wyll claimed that Q said something along the lines of him “becoming a weapon”

And he had a direct reaction to that in the moment when the first TE fight happened. When he killed Q with his mace and he said “want to see how much of a weapon I can be?”… that. That was really the last time I remember something getting to Wyll. Like truly actually affecting him, now I don’t think he like lost sleep over the weapon comment. But it definitely did affect him in some kind of way. But after that? After that fight? I really can’t think of anything.

The election during Honored One really showed his lack of care. Normally, s2 and early s3 Wyll wouldve worried way more. Worried about how the server thought of him, that if he didn’t get enough votes he wasn’t worthy and that kind of Wyll would flip worth in his head so much he’d loose its meaning. But during Honored One as a whole Wyll himself said that he didn’t care if he was seen as a ‘Mugm Minion’ because the Honored One was something that Mugm cared about. And he did it FOR Mugm not for himself

Or that Puqi conversation he had when building the mesa LE base. When Puqi called Wyll out for his lies and schemes, and brings up season two. Wyll just outright tells Puqi, “I don’t have to care about their opinions”

Like. I guess that’s what we’re doing now??? Which I also think this ENTIRE thing, the hypocritical actions from fighting on a large team to complaining about it to even the sudden changing of not needing validation. Is it hypocritical or is it growth?

This last section is very VERY inspired by what Nemvevo said on bliss today (June 29th) when Nem said that he has no respect for Wyll, because he’s a hypocrite and actually pretty much says exactly what I said about his talent of fighting with large teams to win respect. But is it hypocritical for Wyll to despise Horizon or Solar Flare for the large team against four, or is it growth?

Wyll admitted himself that he’s never taken on a large outnumbered fight until he got the mace. And even then most of them were 2v1s against him, until the Horizon 5v1 that costed him his mace. And that’s when he really got to feel how it was on the other side of things. And also really when he started to look down on the server as a whole, calling Horizon specifically cowards multiple times.

Honestly in my eyes it’s more growth then him being a hypocrite. He got a taste of his own medicine, got to experience what it was like to be on the receiving end of unfair fights. And his view on being on large teams against someone like Mugm changed DRASTICALLY because of that. So I think the argument about his “hypocritical” view point being more on growth is extremely valid here.

Not to mention the fact Wyll doesn’t care anymore on how the server views him. Maybe early s3 Wyll would’ve had a part of him doubt himself, maybe even hate the situation. If he heard majority of the server thought of him as a fraud. But because he doesn’t care about those views anymore long winded conversations about his choices and opinions now rarely happen. With the kantje interview being really the last long conversation about his ideals and choices on the server.

So apart of me says he shot himself in the foot with not caring. That the apathy he feels about others opinions excluding Mugm only pepturate the views against him. And I guess sure, the fact he doesn’t care does make the opinions against him worse. Because he doesn’t. care. at all really doesn’t matter if he “shot himself in the foot” because as long as Mugm is alright with whatever Wyll is doing he’s satisfied.

But that also goes back into one of the first things I mentioned about placing Mugm on some form of pedestal to idolize. But also not idolization? He holds Mugms views higher than a normal teammate would normally, but it’s not like he’s afraid to push back against something Mugm says because he disagrees.

And Wyll probably really appreciates the fact he can disagree knowing the two will actually have a discussion. Not one or the other immediately folding when whatever point they say gets shut down by the other. I don’t want this to turn into a pure entropy side plot so I’ll keep most of my words about the two of them for another rant another day.

All together Wyll is both extremely contradictory to himself but also solid in his beliefs. It’s such a weird mix of the two it’s really hard to explain to someone who hasn’t watched his growth overtime. Having the growing apathy of his character is so different to what he was when he first joined.

I mean he’s now so bored he’s purposly nerfing himself by making a binding vow to just have fun. When in s2 the only time he “nerfed” himself was at finale, when he let his exploits get taken away knowing s2!Mugm lost his exploits as well for one final fight. But he did that knowing no matter the outcome he was going to be seen as some kind of “hero” because of him going against s2!Mugm.

The circumstances I feel are too different to compare really. I mean one moment was him knowing he made his goal, got respect, made Mugm run from a duel, and also was feared at the same time. While the other moment is him being so bored that he’s winning he feels he lost his spark. Which I don’t want anyone to think I’m saying that’s unreasonable.

Him loosing some form of spark overtime is reasonable. It’s what happens when your one single overarching goal surrounded the entire servers gaze on you, and then you slowly just stop caring about it. It’s also not like Wyll attacks unprovoked, he normally waits until someone attacks him or something close to him. Or specifically asked by an ally or team member to attack first. I mean even really with Solar Flare he never really has attacked any one of them without being provoked or asked in recent times.

I feel like I’m talking myself in circles and I don’t wanna make this toooooo long I cut off peoples attention spans. So I’ll go ahead and cut myself off here, but I’m open to any discussions. Feel free to openly disagree, agree, make a comment, or ask questions in my asks ^^

[wnllow]

When it comes to how Stormz brings up Mugms request to him about picking up the gold gem, you have to understand that it’s more metaphorical than actually 100%. Stormz bringing up Mugms request towards him is more of a stepping stone and a way to convey his growth and actual clearance on his goals, it is not something he is actively gunning for nor is it an actual concrete goal on achieving that.

This request is how Stormz grounds himself on the account of his instability. In the Golden Harvest book that Mugm shows Stormz, his unstable traits are commentated on. The actual goal entrusted upon him to destroy the server matters less than the fact that it was entrusted upon him despite the fact that Mugm knew Stormz very well at that point, and knew how impulsive he was.

Stormz understands his instability very well, and he understands that that is why so many of relations had burned off. He uses this to ground himself so he can be deserving of the trust he is given, so that people can trust him and not have it flipped on their head. He cares about other peoples’ assessment of him, he has brought it up multiple times (both kantje in the past, mugm now) and he wants to work on that point. 

Stormz understands the fear that Dumb has of his impulsiveness, and he doesn’t take it badly, because at this point Stormz knows. He highlights upon that fact multiple times.

The gold gem request is used to work on that instability/impulsiveness of his, when dumb asks him what he will do if he gets it, that isn’t Dumb talking about that specific future, it’s them explaining to Stormz that they need him to pick a goal and stick with it, not switch at the last minute. This request is conveyed by using the Mugm request as a stepping stool.

This is also connected to the fact that Stormz has started to accurately and healthily process his past, in this case especially Total Eclipse. Stormz is able to acknowledge his wrongs and mistakes, he is able to accept the affect that it had on him and not view it in a light that is extreme. (Ie; it was completely good, it was completely bad.)

Stormz is using this moment as a focal point to establish a stable sense of identity and build that from the ground up, because he’s not going to be able to do it all by himself. The same way Dumb helped Stormz let go of the past (the stabshot) Stormz is using the request to start off with a clear cut goal that he won’t switch up on, and so he can hold onto that and allow himself to basically practice on a dream that isn’t set in stone or even realistic at all.

This is why he compares Dumb and himself to Entropy - because out of all the relationships he was clued in on or knew, entropy was one of the healthiest and using that to build himself and his relation with Dumb up is what's leading to the development happening in a positive light

[blisspilled]

hihihiihihiihihihjhihiihhihihiihihihihihiihihi :3 if wyll underscore had to be a real life animal what animal would he be…. Thinking….

HI DE :3 :3 :3

fox............ Trust Me On This

[madilovesthesky]

haha.... hey so how's that quote doing. and what's your thoughts about it ....!!!

Bliss spoilers....

"Q is trying to abuse the fact that I'm a solo, that my mentals ruined, To make me fully join Quakitus and leave everyone, and fight them. Which I honestly don't want to do, but if I want to prove q wrong [that my life isn't easy] it's what I have to do" timestamp

?????? What????? Wdym sans?????? Wdym you have to do this???????

Quakitus has already said, that with no effort on her end, that sans is already following the path that she took to get to her current point. Q lost herself trying to prove herself right, and now Sans will lose it all needing to prove her wrong. He is resolved to sacrificing sf, his own autonomy, his second chance with Hazel. Everything. to prove q wrong. He knows that is what q wants too, he said himself that Quakitus was exploiting his vulnerable mental and his isolation. He knows that Quakitus is only “good” when she needs something from you. Timestamp

Even despite being semi aware, he sounded so resigned. He sounds so convinced that he has to. He spent the whole conversation warning rylan, describing exactly why rylan should run in the opposite direction. Its so interesting how he ended by telling rylan to “take everything I said with a grain of salt.” Timestamp He spoke with such conviction that entire conversation, all to at the end try to sort of invalidate it? Second guessing his perspective because hes “biased”?

This guys pride will be the death of him. In that book, he said this is how I will die. It was discussed before, Here, but sans is so incredibly prideful. He is allowing himself to become the “cog” that’d make q more powerful. Sacrificing it all to prove her wrong. He will never change because he won’t allow himself the time to change. He will not be able to put aside his pride enough to change, at least in the way that he needs to.

[deutane]

I’m out in public with family and my silly self is sitting on a couch writing bliss smp analysis…

[deutane]

Thinking about the mentality of alrey being so “carefree” all of the time and how that’s a double edged sword to his time on bliss

[deutane]

ouija board

Will bliss smp be active now that LSW ended?

YOU HEARD IT HERE!!!!!!!!!

[deutane]

Togez rant, I think it’s just a needed thing for everyone to look at Togez as a character and realize what he’s done. He highkey haunts the narrative in like a “we ain’t ever gonna talk about you ever again but the things you did caused a lasting effect that is so ingrained into us we forget whats it like without it” or something like that ig

I’m open to any critisms, disagreements, agreements, or comments abour my take(s)

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Out of every bliss member that no longer plays I’m pretty confident in saying Togez is not only my favorite, but also someone so underrated because of how invisible he went.

Disclaimer: Most information is taken from season 2 lost media because members didn’t save VODs at the time. And some spoilers for s3, paragraphs and sections are marked read at your own pleasure.

To me Togez narratively is probably the smartest. Like, I mean actually super smart he could be the next baby genuis- ok no I’m now just glazing. But I do mean it when Togez is probably the smartest bliss smp character narratively during his time on bliss.

To understand what Togez has done in bliss we have to see season two on a pedestal. The reason? A lot of Togez’ accomplishments or achievements then would be seen as unimpressive now. So we have to view the season for what it is, the prequel that wasn’t expecting rapid growth. So the things done in the season are new and big

Okay with that out of the way why am I making a claim so big such as this? It’s because Togez was a vital pillar in the very little intelligence on Bliss at the time. Togez knew a lot of things about the server and it’s people, I remember listening to him talking to server members and thinking how good of a talker he was.

He was able to make deals or trades fairly easy from what I remember. Togez speaks very clearly, and that’s what makes him able to get people to listen to him. But his knowledge was mainly in the game code itself.

I think most of us all know Togez was the first person to find the worst of Gamebreaker exploits. A lot of them can be credited to Togez, I mean thinking about the strength particles, astral spectator, and a ton of the dupe glitched. Togez was also the person who founded the MAIN gem glitch, to get multiple gems. There were multiple but Togez’ example and way was the first and foremost full proof! Aka it’s the one admins allowed after convincing. I’m sure there’s more that I just can’t remember because there were A L O T of exploits that we saw.

But that’s all to say that Togez was really good at knowing how to break the game. Even more he knew how to use the cheats to exploit others and lie. Togez loved to lie, a lot like everyone else. When Togez died before the arc finale he actively used another loophole he knew to trick both console and the admins. That he didn’t have a gem to maintain having two gems and not one.

—THIS PARAGRAPH CONTAINS S3 SPOILERS

But this brings me back to the pedestal scenario. These things today in Bliss wouldnt seem I guess “big” because it’s been done. Think Andromeda, they duped the gems and currently hold two gems. Whe people found out yes they were confused, but it was no reaction matching the magnitude of s2.

The affect Togez had on s3 is super intresting to me. I mean yes orher people were there exploiting during Gamebreakers like Wyll. But Togez was the one who started exploiting and the ended abruptly, because he couldn’t finish it himself. It was the entire reason Wyll wanted to get the golden gem enough to start holding resentment to Mugm.

If you ask me, I don’t think that’s Togez knew what magnitude his words would have. But I do believe they were intentional, Togez from basically right off the bat didn’t like Mugm because he felt wronged by him. And then he couldn’t beat him in an unfair 1v1 when he broke a rule, so he had his entire arc with Wyll wanting to crush Mugm.

During the time Wyll was gone for Gamebreakers, near the end. Togez never called Mugm “the leader” despite being given ownership. Sure he called Mugm a teammate, but that’s more a formality not true feelings. Togez wasn’t someone to just let go of something just because he’s winning.

So when Togez left I do think his words were quite intentional. He wanted WYLL to win, it’s even pointed out in Wyll’s video that Togez wanted him to win and not Mugm. Which brings me to a whole other section.

Togez and Wyll. A deadly duo built on being wronged and seen as less or as non threats. The two were close for awhile, I think it gets overlooked but even before Gamebreakers during other small arcs the two were helping each other.

Whenever something happened on the server the two were most likely right behind the other. In most clips of them finding exploits they’re both there, I remember I made the comparison a little while ago. Wyll and Togez were kind of like the Wyll and Mugm of today, at least with the complex relationship the two had bringing them closer together.

— THE NEXT SECTION WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR BLISS S3 GOLDEN DREAM

This is a little side thing narratively to end this Togez talk. During Golden Dream I think Day 4? (It’s day 4 I’m amazing) in the end we meet alt!Togez.

People don’t understand how insane I went. We met alt!Togez in the end by THE gateway, this is so big at least to me because it’s a realization Wyll in s2 betrayed Mugm for Togez essentially. And then when Togez left for good Wyll lost essentially the last person he could trust with his entire life.

But soon that void was unexpectedly filled by Mugm of all people. And we know the alternates have emotions or at least some level of complex critical thinking. And we also know that the alternates don’t know where Wyll and Mugm came from but they have some understanding of who they could be (As Wyll and Mugm are technically the alternate version of the alternates in their eyes)

Okok so imagine your alt!Togez. And your in the end after being told that there may or may not be two people vaugly looking like your best friend and worst enemy turned complicated ally? And they’re working together to literally KILL the entire server for what we know permanently.

And then imagine being Wyll, who I know is a loser and doesn’t really do all of this sad lore often. But narratively bring in the mind of Wyll having this complex relationship with Mugm that is actually healing and grown to be something so big. And then you get transported into s2, the creation of everything wrong with you. But your with Mugm, oh right the guy you fucked over a ton in s2.

And then your at the end, the place YOU chased Mugm until he died to his own pride. And you look to a gateway, one just like the one Mugm disappeared into for the last time. And something that isn’t Togez, but looks like Togez is there. Staring at you.

A person that you trusted with YOUR LIFE, during the time where your self esteem was so low you built an entire ego around it. This lookalike is wearing a face of the ONE PERSON who believed in him wholeheartedly until the end. And gave up everything he ever owned for the ONE WISH you won and you did.

And now your standing with the person he wanted you to crush to be the last one standing fighting him. But it’s not him, it’s a lookalike who moves just like him.

[deutane]

They call me blissblr Gandalf for a reason

[deutane]

Holy yapfest… anyways I think it’s fitting that my first post is a whole analysis of s2 Wyll. Well I guess it’s also kinda a history lesson, there’s gonna be info you already know and maybe sum you don’t.

Hopefully everything is correct. It’s been awhile since I’ve talked this much about a character so. Open to critism, disagreements, agreements, or comments.

This is 1/3 of the Wyll rant. 2nd and 3rd part are WIP

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BEST VIEWED ON MOBILE

Honestly from what I’ve seen as a “veteran” bliss watcher Wyll has probably one of the most complex characters to talk about just because of how unclear he is on purpose..

First, let me clarify one thing. In Bliss there’s not really a clear villain ever, everyone is both an antagonist and protagonist. So villain, protagonist, and antagonist will probably be used a lot here, even if it’s unclear :P

Basically from frame one on the server Wyll WANTED to do one thing: monopolize. Was it because he was highkey a Reddoons fan? Yeah, totally. I mean his skin was literally just a recoldered Reddoons with a face. But it was also because he wanted one thing, CLOUT. Or I guess, recognition from those around him that he is someone worth looking out for. But this backfired kinda horrendously, not only did he fail at monopolization he easily became a small laughing stock.

But I feel as if this is important, it doesn’t show success. Far from it, but it shows potential and willingness to create conflict for self benefit. Which is what I think, a primary characteristic of an antagonist is. I mean, on Day 2 of the season Wyll found Domonoko’s base and killed him. For no reason other than the fact it’s free energy. And at this time death banning was a thing, so Wyll willingly went to the base and killed him knowing these factors.

Not to mention the killing was an ego thing. Proof that he was dangerous despite not fitting the expectations that the server has of a “dangerous player” no that goes to Mugm. But it once again proves that Wyll isn’t afraid to do meaningless things to let himself benfit, in fact he’s more inclined to do it because it’s meaningless so people won’t react heavily.

Now let’s move onto some of the big plot points a lot of people know about. Like the netherite set, most people know that the set was scattered and Mugm teamed up with Wyll— who had the leggings— to fight Dabbycat and Silvaasaur for the chestplate. Only for Mugm to betray Wyll and take the leggings for himself. Now there’s a bit to unpack here.

First off I give “points” for Mugm being more “villainous” for the betryal. The reason of the betryal being for material gain of power, which is a stable of most antagonistic characters. But I like this moment a lot for Wyll being a villain. Because of what he did during the interaction, and what he did after. Firstly during the betryal he kept denying it at first, refusing to give Mugm the leggings in disbelief.

Which fits a part of the villain narrative a lot. The backstory, Mugm got the tragic villain backstory by being placed into the role. But he never really got hurt by anyone because he didn’t see anyone as an equal. Wyll on the other hand, actually thought the two had something going for them. Until the betryal and everything fell apart for Wyll. So Wyll got the tragic villain backstory of trust being broken after being basically a nobody. The afterwards following a thought process to revenge right away.

His revenge was attempt a deathban against Mugm. It should be noted how dangerous deathbans could’ve been, at this time there were limited revives and if someone you knew or were friendly with DIDNT have one you’d be cooked. So of course deathbans are a true threat, and his immediate solution to his problems was to try and do the most dangerous thing on the server. And he did try only to get betrayed once again by Silva and Dabby, and forced to run away himself.

Another failure for Wyll, I don’t think he had a singular win during these times. He tried a lot but nothing really stuck, which festered within him and did what I see as the start of his self deprecating ego. Where self doubt grew more there also were more walls placed where he would be vulnerable. And hidden behind an ego, or at least false confidence that’s very very self positive.

That’s also a main reason why he started exploring the possibilities of exploits. Because gaining them meant yes power but also recognition from the people around him. Which to me is kind of ironic, because for awhile Wyll was so blinded by wanting to be recognized he didn’t realize that Togez recognized him as who he was. Someone powerful yes, but also someone worth looking at.

I mean he was still so focused on Mugm at this point in time. It was focused on what can we do to Mugm to get him trapped, what can we do to make Mugm banned, what can we do to get revenge on Mugm. He hyper focused on Mugm so much because he felt he was entitled to fit a mold of someone that could rival Mugm at the time.

Really his time during this was that of a spoiled nepo baby with no actual power but thinks he has power so he says random empty threats but the nepo baby is a nepo baby of his own making and admins not wanting to code- ok anyways serious time!

But really though, during this time it’s noted that while he did find exploits it was mainly Togez who used them. And instead Wyll decided to be an asshole and gatekeep border expansion items for like AN H O U R. And the entire time it wasn’t even that Wyll cared, no he admitted that he didn’t care about the actual border expansion. In fact he could care less, but what he did care about is having enough power to hold something against someone. Stunlock them and waste time because it’s a thing he has access to.

This entire arc was built around his hyperfocusing on revenge being done, and a new hyperfocus on being in control. It’s known as of present day that Wyll is a good callout, but here? Oh god he SUCKED. Bliss was much more PvP focused at this time and sometimes the SILENCE THIS GUY PRODUCED. Painful. Videos don’t show the true pain of it at all. But STILL he tried to be in some kind of control whe fighting. On the rare occasions he would speak he would try to say some kind of strategy or something.

But that didn’t last long, because he had to give up his control. And gave it to MUGM of all people. Mainly bc Togez did NAWT wanna do allat and it made more sense for the better PvPer at the time to lead. What people don’t realize is that this transfer of power is vulnerability to Wyll. He’s giving someone else the power of something HE BUILT with Togez.

And when he did comeback ohbro he wasn’t happy. Obviously he knew the events that took place when he got back beforehand, but when he logged on to see Dabby and Silvaasaur there? Not happy, but like silent pettiness! Wyll at this time is much more petty, he was younger and had more room for resentment.

And of course resentment for this final stretch is a large thing for Wyll as a whole. But it’s not resentment that builds and bursts like a chaotic mess. No it’s resentment that is denial turned into realization which switches to challenge. It doesn’t burst like lava, it rumbles. And Wylls resentment is something to explore with how unique it is.

Wyll is not someone who is a big feelings guy. I mean he has go through circling the same topic five times to get to a conclusion. He isn’t one to show off his vunerablity near the end of the server because of his massive failures building his ego wall. I guess you can say at this point in time his ego was deserved, I mean exploiting the game so much you caused an entire war a full of betryal and then highkey dipped? Yeah I guess

The ego of his is a main reason why his resentment didn’t boil over when it grew. And instead was a steady thing that was focused more on the actual process of steps, not the people around. Wyll was heavily focused on WHO got the fragments, and unfortunately that was Mugm most of the time. Someway somehow he got them.

I’m a firm believer that it didn’t matter who got the fragments Wyll was gonna betray. Because Wyll had no attachtment to Gamebreakers anymore, because Togez left. Togez being the last real emotional attachtment he had to that team. Which gets underapperciated mainly because the lack of evidence. But oh my god these two so close, in my opinion Togez and Wyll were the LE when they were alive.

The two had so much genuine trust in each other, anytime one found something the other was always right behind. The amount of trust Wyll held to Togez was so unnatural it seemed so fake at first. But it was genuinley two people fucked over by bliss realizing they don’t gotta be alone.

So being under the impression that Mugm and him were gonna be the ones to betray was nice. Because Togez wanted him to win, it’s why Togez left EVERYTHING to Wyll because he couldn’t see it to the end.

But nice isnt enough, Wyll being who he is takes things to heart even if he tries to deny it. It’s why during the end part of the fragment hunt was a guilotine for whatever hold Mugm had onto Wyll. And it was also what connected the dots to what Togez said, Wyll made it very clear that Togez wanted HIM to win. Not Mugm, not Dabbycat, not The Gamebreakers.

And that brings us to the moment, the duel, the end. Genuine despair. Wyll framed it like he just didn’t want Mugm to get all of the fragments out of nobles behaviors. But we all know he isn’t ‘noble’ he isn’t someone doing this for the server. He’s doing it for himself, to prove to himself that he is someone worth respect.

And Mugm running, that solidified the future of Wyll in my opinion. The moment that pearl was thrown something clicked into place, Wyll IS respectable.

And Wyll got his happy ending after uniting the server (minus Dabbycat and Silvaasaur) against Mugm and WINNING!

Wyll said he was satisfied with not getting the gold gem. And his story with Domonoko ended, remember at the very start I mentioned that one Domonoko kill? Yeah that got solved, and it was important because that one kill. One kill for selfish gain is the only reason all of bliss season 2 went down the way it did.

And thats where I want to mention this, Wyll is a born and built liar. Do I think he ended somewhat satisfied? Yeah probably. Do I think he ended SATISFIED? No, because nothing about Wyll is ever satisfied. And the built up emotional turmoil from having a destroyed self esteem being a laughing stock, to building an wall of ego, having a sliver of control, being a laughing stock again, and gaining “respect”.

Honestly if we wanna go into big bliss lore that wouldn’t have happened because they hate worldbuilding. If Wyll truly was satisfied with his ending on s2, he mightve fit the requirements for Balance. Woah I know hold the tomato’s or questions, let me clarify.

What “Balance” is we don’t really know. And so far Dol9 is the only one whose reached a level of Balance. So lets see two main things I think allowed her to reach this rank. 1) Accept your wrongdoings to an extent of extending apologies but not expecting an answer and 2) go on into the world on your own terms without your life being taken from you unwillingly.

S2 Wyll fits both of those. And he’s really the only one whose does, every other member still had some kind of underlying issue or something they wanted to finish. Of course this part is speculation we won’t ever know about this. I guess you could say Wyll wasn’t happy because he wants to finish s3 like s2, but that goal wasn’t his orginal. And he took that goal when deciding to ally with Mugm during s3. Or at least accepted the fact that was Mugms goal and he’s centered around it.

[deutane]

Imyyy and ilyy ^_^

ilyt ace!!!