ready for the discourse

no terfs please 🌸 lesbian, she/her, cis, call me holly. exclusionist.

[tomcats-and-tophats]

WAIT if that person is who I think they are they’ve done/supported some absolutely nasty shit which makes this real fuckin’ rich

[tomcats-and-tophats]

alright so I’m not ever going to get into the habit of doing this shit here but I’m at the point where I believe this person to be a dangerous weirdo

the Aphobe Blocklist-compiler, dandymeowth, is also damegreywulf aka dametora.

You can read most of this on their own blog in their rather flimsy “accountability” tags and posts, [x] [x] [x] Some of it with apologies, most of it with “apologies”, all of it disturbing.

Their greatest hits include:

being a member of a deviantArt group known for harassment “for the lulz” (that welcomed literal nazis into its ranks)

they do not believe in “problematic kinks”

…but here’s their post about how it’s ok that they dated a minor as an adult because they’re really sorry now or something. also said they’d date a 14 year old when they were 20.

also this from their “accountability” post: “The age of consent claims relate to an incident with a user that stated that I and two other users had banded together as friends and sexually abused them/their friends and that one of us was using their sj blog(s) as a way to meet and subsequently abuse minors. There’s a lot of reasons why that was a bunch of crap but the post I’ve made about it is long gone thanks to my account being deleted. I’ll need to make a new post on it…“ Does that new post exist? I haven’t found it! So this translates into “my friends and I were accused of being pedophiles/sexual predators but it’s not true because of a post that doesn’t exist, but they were lying I swear”.

the previous three points are extremely worrisome within the context of them considering themselves a sex educator, with no problem chatting with minors about how to masturbate. While I think it is important for minors to have healthy sex resources I don’t think “rando with a blog” is a Healthy Resource, regardless of intention, and I don’t think that makes me a “puritan” like they’d say.

they have made some extremely antisemitic and Islamophobic posts, which they have apologized for but I still think it’s worth mentioning. And yes, they’re white.

There is probably way fucking more but I’m already exhausted.

The point is, on top of this, the fucking ~Aphobe Blocklist~ comes along.

At the end of the day, this is a 28-year-old publicly smearing lgbt children for saying “cishets aren’t lgbt even if they’re ace”, outing trans people to people that want them dead, and drawing the attention of racists and Literal Nazis to people of colour, Jewish people, and Muslims. This is wildly fucking irresponsible to the point of being actively dangerous, and as goofy as an “Aphobe Callout” list is, this is not a safe person to be around.

e: apparently they’re 27 or 28, not 26

[whatdoyoumeansaltisntaspice]

2018 Goal: get on The Blocklist™️

[exyclusionist]

where can i read the list? op removed it i think

here’s an archive link

[discoursecourse]

i come back to discourse to see the aphobe block list

[lycanrc-deactivated20200724]

Except that it is. The tag is meant for people to find others like them, for support, for answering questions. If you see no problem with flooding the tags with hateful spam and death threats, then you're beyond my understanding. This doesn't just affect the "evil cithets" either, there are LGBT aces who use the tags for the purposes I mentioned. Included me, including a nb kid who says that the hate in those tags makes them want to kill themselves. You think that kid is pathetic?

LGBT ppl: (some of whom are ace themselves) Cisgender heteroromantic asexuals and cisgender aromantic heterosexuals are straight IN ADDITION TO being asexual or aromantic and thus not queer/LGBT. They shouldn’t use the q slur nor should they take advantage of the resources our community provides.

Asexual/Aromantic people do in fact face stigma/prejudice that is unique to them but the LGBT community was built is a coalition of communities brought together by overlaping oppression that is completely separate from what asexuals/aromantic face and have faced historically. Instead of invading safe spaces that keep LGBT people alive, they should focus their efforts on making their own community and providing resources for themselves.

Ace tumblr (after having a collective conniption fit): LOOK AT THESE ACEPHOBES!!1!1#!1 And then…

Joke about bringing [guns to pride parades]

Say [this homophobic crap] related to the orlando shooting

Claim [it’s a privilege] to even have night clubs

Compare ace discourse [to a homophobic mass shooting]

Say they are glad [a few more aphobic gays are dead]

Claim the shooters actions [weren’t driven by homophobia] on the basis that asexual people MIGHT have been present at the club

[Make a list] of “aphobes” (LGBT people) the same day as the Orlando shooting

Say we should [thank aces for donating blood] in light of news that LGBT people can’t donate to help their sibilings

Say they’re glad that the events of the shooting are [weeding out “aphobes”]

[“At least you all have nightclubs”]

[“We’ll see how their gatekeeping stands up after a couple of more massacres”]

[“Gayer than thou”]

[Mock] the AIDS crisis

Say [this] blatant serophobic bull

Say more [serophobic nonsense]

Once again say something [disgustingly serophobic]

Even [more serophobia]

Insinuate “allosexuals” [get cancer from sex]

Compare [gay people to Ronald Reagan] for not wanting cishets in the LGBT community

Demand LGBT people [”help” them make their own community] (because we need to extend our emotional labor to cishets)

Say [this] ahistoric nonsense

Say [this] ableist crap

Outright say they [hate lesbians]

Say all the shit [in these screenshots]

Make this [victim blaming post]

Express desire to [“kill al lallosexuals”]

Claim “allosexuals” have been [raping them for centuries]

Claim rape is [less unpleasant for allos]

Demonise allosexuals and hypersexual people [once again]

Claim asexuals were [victims of the holocaust]

Compare “acephobia” [to the holocaust]

[Deny the inherit antisemitism] with one of the community’s symbols

Even more [denial and antisemitism]

Deny that being [disgusted by lesbians is lesbophobic] all while reducing them to sexual beings

Same person as above, says they want “aphobes” [to shoot themselves], [doesn’t care] that they said they want LGBT people to commit mass suicide and then goes on to insinuate that all LGBT people [deserve the treatment] for hate aro/ace people

Claim [“ace gays don’t exist while being lesbophobic”]

Write fanfiction [demeaning LGBT people]

Say this [homophobic] [revolting] crap

Want to coin terms [to further alienate LGBT] people and claim we’re oppressing them

[Make fun of] the societal oppression LGBT people faced

Say that all [ace people are bi] 

Claim cishet people [aren’t cishet]

Claim lesbians are [predatory towards asexuals]

Insinuate cishet aces are [more oppressed than lesbians]

Say SGA (same/similar gender attraction) is [“compulsory homosexuality”]

Lowkey say they’re [more deserving] of being in the community than closeted LGBT people

Claim they’re even [more queer than LGBT people] and use slurs to refer to us

Fucking [call themselves fags] and then claim that [straight people can reclaim the slur]

Same person above (who is a ace non-sga “bi” person in a straight relationship) [justifies ace tumblr sending rape and death threats] to a rape survivor for saying that cishet aces are not queer

Say this [homophobic shit]

Claim that calling people straight [is homophobic]

Blatantly say they want to [kill “aphobes”]

Blatantly say they want to [kill all allosexuals]

Blatantly say they want LGBT people to [kill ourselves]

Blatantly say that [gay people suck]

Compare using the ace pride flag [to cultural appropriation]

Compare “aphobes” (many of whom are trans) [to fucking TWERFs]

Compare [lesbians to TWERFS]

Call LGBT people to [”queer truscum”]

Call LGBT people [“sex-crazed psychos”]

Call LGBT people [”trashcan queers”]

Call LGBT people [“deviants”]

Call LGBT people [“deviants”] again

Call LGBT people [“weak”] because we experience sexual attraction

Call LGBT people “fascists”

Say thay have no problem with LGBT people [committing suicide]

Claim we, a bunch of “shitty cocksuckers” are upset that 1% of the population [doesn’t want to fuck us]

Call the LGBT community [a stupid gay pride club]

Call the LGBT community a [fandom]

Call the LGBT community [“full of drugs, STDs and alcoholics”]

Claim they can reclaim [homophobic and transphobic slurs]

Claim sex ed is a means to get people to [stop IDing as asexual]

Claim the ace community is cleaner because they don’t have a [“drug and alcohol problem”]

Deny [queer is a slur]

Spew [this vitriol]

[Misgender] the person who popularised the term allosexual in the first place 

Celebrate [someone’s death] and when called out [deflected] the issue [while calling her “toxic”]

The above person calls the deceased and her girlfriend [manipulative and violent]

And then called a lesbian woman a violent slur [only to demonise her] for being rightfully upset

Call all alloromantic allosexual people straight 

Coin homophobic shit like [”alloculture”]

Claim that “allosexuals” purposely [stay in abusive relationships]

Claim that “allosexuals” are [unfaithful in relationships]

Say that LGBT who are survivors of corrective rape don’t care about rape survivors when they criticise ace people for constantly bringing it up

Say [it’s a privilege] to be hypervisible in countries where being LGBT is illegal and punishable by death

And then claiming that if it’s so bad [we should just move]

Claim they’re [more oppressed than bi people]

Compare “aphobes” (i.e. people who think that cishets aren’t LGBT) to [the fucking KKK]

Compare “aphobes” to [the crackers who committed genocide] against America’s Indigenous population with smallpox blankets

Say this [antiblack nonsense] calling for the ace community (a cesspool of saltines and mayo) to be the “aroace MLK”

Say that LGBT ppl are [more likely to be rapists]

Think that [this] is the appropriate way to respond to a poz gay man talking about his experiences

Put trans women and trans minors [on the same list as TWERFS and radfems]

And then justify the above by [calling trans minors abusive]

Show how [antisemtic] they are

Literally use [someone dying] to further their disgusting rhetoric

BLATANTLY say they hate LGBT people

Express desire [to assault] against LGBT ppl

[Express disdain] with the fact that same-gender marriage is legal throughout the entire U.S. 

Deny that they are [invading LGBT safe spaces irl]

Outright say they find LGBP expressing affection publicly (e.g holding hands) disgusting and repulsive

And so much more…

LGBT ppl: Wow fuck these people -spam tags with easily blockable posts-

You: This makes me suicidal!!!

If being told to stay in your fucking lane makes you suicidal, then you have a grandiose sense of entitlement that you need to work on. Instead of sending guilt-tripping, manipulative asks about killing yourself to someone, why not LISTEN to what LGBT people are saying. LGBT aces are still LGBT and thus have a place in the community. It’s cishet aces and aros that don’t. 

But you and others like you are so hellbent on defending straight people that you completely ignore this. Lmk how kissing the asses of my oppressors works out for you.  Actually, don’t. The next time you want to send an ask like this to a suicidal person, fuck off instead you gross creepy s.o.b.

[homoethotic]

This post still genuinely, unequivocally ends the discourse

[discoursecourse]

aphobicd-va can fucking choke

[thewordvalid]

unpopular onion

having a discourse blog for the intention of participating in the discourse kind of doesn’t work if you block all exclusionists

[discoursecourse]

should i change my url to moneycourse or colacourse?

[lemon-bunny]

look, i get “coming out” as asexual without the use of the SAM. because asexual as an identity originally meant attracted to no one. as in no romantic or sexual specific stuff, just attracted to no one in any way. and i’d understand telling someone about that.

but with the SAM, asexual is specifically about sexual attraction. and “coming out” as asexual using the SAM means you’re disclosing how you specifically experience sexual attraction, a topic that could be inappropriate to disclose in many environments.

[lemon-bunny]

inclusionist culture is using “gaslighting” to refer to a stranger on the internet being rude to you once

[exclusionistxculture-hasmoved]

Where's your Feets pride bro

In the same place as your dignity.  Oh wait…..

[alloesque]

[exclusionistxculture-hasmoved]

I would gladly discuss irllovebug’s argument, if they actually had one.

[alloesque]

[re-cutiehunie]

My argument is simple.

Feets

.

Thank you.

[discoursecourse]

feetsies

[exclusionistxculture-hasmoved]

This page is about things that exclusionists have said or done - not out and out insults.

So, whoever just sent in “Exclusionist Culture is Sucking Toes”, congrats - you’ve been blocked from sending any further submissions.  Hope it was worth it.

[goobra]

i’m kin with this whole ass post

[mewcourse]

i havent seen anyone else say this yet so

no offense but can we not group demigirl and demiboy in with mogai? they are not harmful or unnecessary terms, they are legitimate nonbinary identities and to call them mogai bullshit and group them in with shit like “bordergender” is really kinda transphobic.

[emotional-karuma]

anyway litterally all nonbinary identites are mogai terms

[loumandliker]

> the implication that bordergender, a gender for nonbinary borderline people whose gender shifts because of unstable identity due to Having Bpd, a disorder characterized by Identity Issues, is transphobic

[queerautism]

Can we instead stop calling terms that aren’t helpful for you personally ‘unnecessary’ and let neurodivergent people use language that reflects their experiences without saying it’s harmful or transphobic thanks

[mewcourse]

yall on this post are fucking embarrassing u know that right

[queerautism]

Can you explain what exactly is embarrassing about saying that you should respect identity labels even if they aren’t useful to you personally, and respect how neurodivergent people decide to talk about their experiences affecting their orientation?

[mewcourse]

turning the suffering of those with bpd into a KUWEER LGBTQIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPNABCDEFGHIJ++++++++ IDENTITY!!!! is actually horrifically ableist lmao and it encourages the dumb idea of “ohhhh this is my GENDER IDENTITY so i dont need to recognise my symptoms or work on them” its just rly harmful and anti recovery and i cant even articulate myself because i am in fucking awe at what youre saying

[queerautism]

People with BPD talking about how their neurodivergency affects their identity, especially since it’s a personality disorder which has identity issues as a big part of it, is not fucking ableist.

Me wanting to talk about how being autistic is a part of my nonbinary identity is also not ableist. Because it’s the same in both these cases - Recognising how your own brain works and how that affects your understanding of gender, and using that to find or create a term that you’re more comfortable with, is not harmful or ‘anti recovery’.

The way you’re talking about queer neurodivergent people is fucking gross honestly.

[discoursecourse]

tbh? i see it as anti recovery. its good to acknowledge your mental illness amd stuff, but you shouldn’t make it a permanent part of who you are. that seems to me like you don’t really want to change it, get better. and please dont call all lgbt people q*eer!! just bc you’ve decided to reclaim doesnt mean everyone else has. its a slur and thats it.

[autistictaramaclay]

uh you don’t “recover” from autism or bpd it is literally a permanent part of who you are and it’s not “anti recovery” to say that

[discoursecourse]

afaik its treatable

[punkfistfights]

um? if this is talking about bpd then you’re technically correct, because it’s treatable (but not curable, you’ll never get rid of it but you can control some of the worse side affects through therapy). but if this is talking about asd then you’re The Worst Kind of ableist, plus you’re ignorant as fuck.

[discoursecourse]

sorry this is prolly hella late but yes im talking abt bpd!!!

[inclusionist-culture]

Inclusionist culture is...

posting in the #discourse tag, getting called out and criticized by people a decade younger than you, getting mad that they commented on a post that you, again, put in the fucking #discourse tag, then blocking and vagueing them a minimum of five times.

[mewcourse]

i havent seen anyone else say this yet so

no offense but can we not group demigirl and demiboy in with mogai? they are not harmful or unnecessary terms, they are legitimate nonbinary identities and to call them mogai bullshit and group them in with shit like “bordergender” is really kinda transphobic.

[emotional-karuma]

anyway litterally all nonbinary identites are mogai terms

[loumandliker]

> the implication that bordergender, a gender for nonbinary borderline people whose gender shifts because of unstable identity due to Having Bpd, a disorder characterized by Identity Issues, is transphobic

[queerautism]

Can we instead stop calling terms that aren’t helpful for you personally ‘unnecessary’ and let neurodivergent people use language that reflects their experiences without saying it’s harmful or transphobic thanks

[mewcourse]

yall on this post are fucking embarrassing u know that right

[queerautism]

Can you explain what exactly is embarrassing about saying that you should respect identity labels even if they aren’t useful to you personally, and respect how neurodivergent people decide to talk about their experiences affecting their orientation?

[mewcourse]

turning the suffering of those with bpd into a KUWEER LGBTQIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPNABCDEFGHIJ++++++++ IDENTITY!!!! is actually horrifically ableist lmao and it encourages the dumb idea of “ohhhh this is my GENDER IDENTITY so i dont need to recognise my symptoms or work on them” its just rly harmful and anti recovery and i cant even articulate myself because i am in fucking awe at what youre saying

[queerautism]

People with BPD talking about how their neurodivergency affects their identity, especially since it’s a personality disorder which has identity issues as a big part of it, is not fucking ableist.

Me wanting to talk about how being autistic is a part of my nonbinary identity is also not ableist. Because it’s the same in both these cases - Recognising how your own brain works and how that affects your understanding of gender, and using that to find or create a term that you’re more comfortable with, is not harmful or ‘anti recovery’.

The way you’re talking about queer neurodivergent people is fucking gross honestly.

[discoursecourse]

tbh? i see it as anti recovery. its good to acknowledge your mental illness amd stuff, but you shouldn’t make it a permanent part of who you are. that seems to me like you don’t really want to change it, get better. and please dont call all lgbt people q*eer!! just bc you’ve decided to reclaim doesnt mean everyone else has. its a slur and thats it.

[autistictaramaclay]

uh you don’t “recover” from autism or bpd it is literally a permanent part of who you are and it’s not “anti recovery” to say that

[discoursecourse]

afaik its treatable

[sweetums0kitty]

Oh look the discourse blog is a stupid bigot, who WOULD have guessed that they were an asshole. “Eyes roll into head”

[discoursecourse]

what

[mewcourse]

im so fucking tired of ableist transphobic freaks on my posts get a job

[mewcourse]

i havent seen anyone else say this yet so

no offense but can we not group demigirl and demiboy in with mogai? they are not harmful or unnecessary terms, they are legitimate nonbinary identities and to call them mogai bullshit and group them in with shit like “bordergender” is really kinda transphobic.

[emotional-karuma]

anyway litterally all nonbinary identites are mogai terms

[loumandliker]

> the implication that bordergender, a gender for nonbinary borderline people whose gender shifts because of unstable identity due to Having Bpd, a disorder characterized by Identity Issues, is transphobic

[queerautism]

Can we instead stop calling terms that aren’t helpful for you personally ‘unnecessary’ and let neurodivergent people use language that reflects their experiences without saying it’s harmful or transphobic thanks

[mewcourse]

yall on this post are fucking embarrassing u know that right

[queerautism]

Can you explain what exactly is embarrassing about saying that you should respect identity labels even if they aren’t useful to you personally, and respect how neurodivergent people decide to talk about their experiences affecting their orientation?

[mewcourse]

turning the suffering of those with bpd into a KUWEER LGBTQIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPNABCDEFGHIJ++++++++ IDENTITY!!!! is actually horrifically ableist lmao and it encourages the dumb idea of “ohhhh this is my GENDER IDENTITY so i dont need to recognise my symptoms or work on them” its just rly harmful and anti recovery and i cant even articulate myself because i am in fucking awe at what youre saying

[queerautism]

People with BPD talking about how their neurodivergency affects their identity, especially since it’s a personality disorder which has identity issues as a big part of it, is not fucking ableist.

Me wanting to talk about how being autistic is a part of my nonbinary identity is also not ableist. Because it’s the same in both these cases - Recognising how your own brain works and how that affects your understanding of gender, and using that to find or create a term that you’re more comfortable with, is not harmful or ‘anti recovery’.

The way you’re talking about queer neurodivergent people is fucking gross honestly.

[discoursecourse]

tbh? i see it as anti recovery. its good to acknowledge your mental illness amd stuff, but you shouldn’t make it a permanent part of who you are. that seems to me like you don’t really want to change it, get better. and please dont call all lgbt people q*eer!! just bc you’ve decided to reclaim doesnt mean everyone else has. its a slur and thats it.

[autistictaramaclay]

uh you don’t “recover” from autism or bpd it is literally a permanent part of who you are and it’s not “anti recovery” to say that

[discoursecourse]

afaik its treatable