Dean Loved Castiel Too

Deancoded Casgirl ~ Dean Winchester + Castiel + Destiel Centric (Some Jack Content, too.) ~ Also Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins Centric. They do be best friends and I am here for it. ~ he/him | queer/ace

[dwc-jamc-spn]

I’m not saying I hate episodes that don’t have Castiel in it, but I refuse to comment further on this matter

[ricky-tiki-tah]

Anyone else notice that especially in the earlier seasons(1-3 specifically for this post), Sam is usually the one talking to the witnesses/authority figures. Doesn’t matter if Dean started the conversation/interrogation, Sam near always finishes them.

Not only that, but officers and others tend to direct their questions more to Sam than Dean. The question is why? In the early seasons like 1-3, Dean may be shorter, but Sam is still noticeably younger than his brother. Is there something about Sam that people trust him to be more mature or what?

On the opposite note, you will rarely see Sam talking to any kid, his area lying more with the teens and young adults. Dean is always talking to the kids, he values their opinions and wants them to feel safe no matter what. This is probably from raising Sam, but it’s also very him. (One example is Lucas in 1x03 Dead in the Water, another is Michael in 1x18 Something Wicked, and again with Ben in 3x02 The Kids Are All Right)

Now, I’m very much onboard with the “both Winchester brothers are autistic” and “ADHDean”, but my question is still, why would the authorities and older suspects talk to Sam instead of Dean? Is it because Sam is so good at masking? Is it because Dean is starting to let his childish side out more now that John isn’t there? Maybe it’s because due to Dean having been selectively mute, Sam had to speak for the both of them growing up and the habit stuck? Could it be because even though both boys are good looking, Sam is more traditionally handsome while Dean is a pretty face? Is there really an answer?

[dean-winchesters-adhd]

this is a completely unhinged take but ok so jensen has ADHD. he said it himself. and he's a smooth guy apparently. but he's also an actor. he's ALWAYS acting. and if he isn't acting in the moment he would be masking most likely. i don't know his life but that blows my mind.

now strap in and get your neurodivergent tin hats on, folks. what if dean is just him playing the dream version of himself and that's why he can't let dean die.

[alfalfapie]

rewatching spn as a newly diagnosed ADHDer who may be an auDHDer, I would like to claim dean as one of ours. No way that man fidgets so much, listens to the same five albums, and is that into his special interest (cowboys) without some type of neurodivergence happening there

[dwc-jamc-spn]

genuinely, the more I’m thinking about the finale, I think the writers tried to pull of something actually very meaningful and interesting. They just chose the wrong piece of media to do it because they didn’t account for a lot of what their fans took away from the show. It feels like they had this idea of where they wanted this story to go and how it was going to end (and is actually pretty true for the Kripke era but that’s another convo), but when they produced this for the world they didn’t account for the fans finding different plots and arcs and characters more interesting than the one THEY wanted and planned to be the center of attention.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, killing off Dean would’ve been fine had they done it sooner—had they not allowed him to grow as much as he did. You can’t put a protagonist through as much emotional growth as they put Dean through just to kill them off. It’s gross storytelling. It’s killing a character for the sake of shock and gaslighting the audience into thinking it was “meaningful” just because the character was supposedly fine with dying in the end, anyway.

[dwc-jamc-spn]

I read killing stalking and I am screaming its so fucked (in a good way?), I'm generally uncomfortable with the CONSTANT explicit and obviously fetishised rape scenes, its just gross, HOWEVER literally every other part of the comic portrayed this horrifically abusive relationship in such an interesting way, I almost fell for sangwoos bullshit later on when he was acting all vanilla and normal with Bum, BUT THAT WAS JUST YET ANOTHER layer of manipulation, maybe even subconsciously.

from all the talk about this comic a few years ago I thought it was just glorifying an abusive relationship but like no, you're not meant to want these two together, you're meant to root for Bum to get out, though again, the rape scenes are so much and so unnecessary and totally damped an actually interesting story

I gotta be honest 😅 I’ve kinda moved on from KS cuz I read it like a year ago, so I don’t really have the memory or energy to give this a proper thought out reply. But I will say I didn’t take any of the scenes from KS to be anywhere near fetishizing tbh. I’ll probably never experience a situation like the one in KS, and the only way I would ever know how scary and terrifying that would be is through a piece of literature like KS. Do some people take the content from KS and do…nefarious things with it? Yes. Does that mean Koogi was fetishizing SA/abuse? I…um…Based on my readings of Koogi interviews, absolutely no fetishizing was being done by the author.

And, I don’t mean for this to be rude, but no you’re not meant to root for Bum to get out. You’re meant for him to get help. In every aspect of his life, not just help away from Sangwoo. He’s not a perfect character and he’s not meant to be. He did hurt people and do bad things—even before he met Sangwoo, he’s a deeply flawed and broken character. Bum wasn’t the ‘good guy’ of the comic. Nor was he the bad guy. No one really was. That’s one of biggest points of the whole comic.

Sangwoo is the biggest example of this imo. What do you think would’ve changed about him if his mother hadn’t been his abuser?

[ioannushka-2]

His angel 👼

[dwc-jamc-spn]

OH AND ANOTHER THING

The finale also sucked because Sam got to just spend the rest of his life healing and coping with his trauma while Dean

DEAN NEVER GOT THE CHANCE

[heller-castiel]

cas should have said “if dean winchester is the michael sword then i will be his sheath” to zachariah in front of dean and zachariah would think he meant that he would protect dean at all costs and dean would think he meant anal sex and the answer to which one cas was thinking of is yes

[becauseofthebowties]

For my 7k Followers Celebration ↳ @klinejack requested: Jack + funny moments/quotes

[dwc-jamc-spn]

Do Jensen and Jared understand how their words, their actions, their inactions, their TV show, and their characters have been used by bigots to justify their bigotry? Do they even realize that?

Does Jared realize how fucked up it was to say what he did? Does he even have any shred of fucking remorse for what he’s done? Does Jared even realize the homophobia he’s fostering in the fandom with what he’s done? He erased Castiel’s queerness, said canon was “open for interpretation” when CANON IS CANON. It’s not open for interpretation.

The culture of seeing queerness in supernatural and how it relates to specifically Dean has been so taboo and hated and despised by so many for so long, and unfortunately it was just part of how the world was back in the early days, but it’s 2021 now. How can Jared think that speaking on a character that isn’t his, on a relationship he’s not apart of, on a scene he wasn’t even on set for…just to invalidate a character who is canonically queer and in love with another questionable character…How can he think that that’s okay? How can he not be posting on twitter or Instagram about how sorry he is for saying what he said and spreading the hate that he did?

And Jensen. He didn’t call Jared out for that stupid fucking homophobic rant. I get that there’s a certain pressure on him (and Jared) when they’re together that they have to be brothers all the time—especially at cons and whatnot, but come on! Do fucking better. Be a better ally to the LGBT+ community because erasing a characters canonical queerness and invalidating a big part of your fanbase that is already discriminated against is homophobic. Period. It’s homophobic and disgusting.

I’m disappointed in the both of them. So fucking disappointed and hurt.

[justttoletyouknow]

One I doubt Jared was aware that Misha queerbaiting Collins was telling people it was a gay confession and that cas was gay.

Two his homophobic rant wasn't even homophobic lol but okay. And I'm saying this as a queer poc. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[dwc-jamc-spn]

One, so what? His words still hurt people and, even unintentionally, erased a canonical fact about a character already confirmed by the actor who played him. And Jared never apologized for that. Neither Jared or Jensen truly did.

Two, I say this as a queer person, too, and with no disrespect or malice: you’re allowed to feel and think what you want about what he said, but you’re not allowed to tell anyone else how they should be feeling or reacting only because you don’t agree with their feelings or opinions. I’m not saying you’re wrong for not finding what he said homophobic, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you are wrong for invalidating the hurt and erasure his words caused people in this fandom; even if it’s unintentional.

[justttoletyouknow]

I didn't imply that you couldn't have your own views. I'm just saying that Jared's comment wasn't in any way offensive or erasing. Jared is far from being homophobic. The show is about supernatural the two brothers not wincest or destiel. That's the whole point.

We – you know, Sam and Dean loved each other. It wasn’t a show about incest. You know? So, Cas and Dean can love each other. It’s not a show about… Uh, it’s not a show about heterosexuality or non-binary. It’s a show about, like, “Hey, you can choose to live your life with love.” . The point was, “You are free to love whoever you want.” You can be heterosexual and love whoever you want, you can be queer and love whoever you want, you can be…any part of the LGBTQIA. Love whoever the fuck you want. It doesn’t mean – sorry, for my cursing – It doesn’t mean you want to do something with them, or to them. So, hopefully Supernatural, uh, in its 327 episodes, helped to have people love those around them.

He literally said you can be any sexuality you want. The show isn't about a ship and he wasn't at all comparing homosexuality to incest. He was just mentioning both sides of the shippers in this fandom.

[dwc-jamc-spn]

(I’m sorry this is so long! I didn’t mean for it to drag on but it got away from me. 😅😅😅 I also left a lot of tags, but they’re mainly just me rambling and writing as I thought so… Do whatever you want with them lmao.)

I’d like to clarify real quick because this is going down a very Jared-centric path (which is partly my fault because I should’ve been more specific in my first reply so I do apologize for that, that’s on me), but I talked about Jared and Jensen in my original post. They both were up on the stage. Tbh, I was confused when I posted the original and I’m still kinda confused now as to why Jared is the only one people are defending because we are allowed to call out people in the public eye. It doesn’t mean they’re being attacked, it means they’re being asked to examine their actions and do different and/or better in the future. I was never attacking or accusing Jared or Jensen because it’s already a known fact they’re not bad people… I was asking for them to look at what they said and did and how it effected people so they can do differently/better in the future.

And, I mean… If I can accept you weren’t hurt by what happened, then you should be able to accept others were hurt. What happened did cause people to feel erased. If you need someone as proof, I’m right here. Both Jared and Jensen made me feel invalidated and wrong for being who I am. It was a miscommunication and unintentional, of course—and again, I have never been saying (nor was I ever saying/implying) either of them are bad people nor are they trying to hurt their fans. They’re just human, and humans make mistakes. No one is faulting them for making a mistake. They’re at fault for not owning up to the mistake and apologizing for hurting the people they did. That was my point. I didn’t even mention Destiel in my original post because it was never about Destiel in the first place. It was only about what Jared said/how Jensen responded, and that it’s not okay to erase Castiel’s confirmed canonical queerness. (And to further clarify, it was also never about if Dean reciprocated or not, either. It was ONLY about what was said/done, and that it’s not okay to erase a fact confirmed by the actor who played the character.)

And you’re right, Supernatural started out as being about Sam and Dean, but it veered off that path through the years. It evolved to be more than a story about two brothers and the trials they faced hunting monsters. It came to be about all kinds of emotional bonds, the relationships we create/cultivate with the people in our life, and what we will do for the ones we love. (At least, that’s what it came to be about in my opinion. Partly because the show was never supposed to last 15 seasons, it’s bound to evolve past the original 5/6 season plans of two brothers hunting monsters across the continental US and whatnot.)

[justttoletyouknow]

Well I'm sorry you felt invalidated but Jared definitely didn't mean any harm. That's all my point is.

Yeah I get that but at the end of the day and the end of the line it's about the brothers. Not relationships.

And to add I think there shouldn't be any more ship questions period. I don't care what people ship. It's how you treat others.

[dwc-jamc-spn]

I agree. I never thought or claimed Jared or Jensen intended or meant to cause any harm. But, impact is greater than intent. Someone can have the absolute kindest and most virtuous intentions, and their words/actions can still impact negatively. The judgement comes from what a person chooses to do after their intentions didn’t impact how they meant. (I’m also not saying either of them need to drag this back up to apologize. I’m just disappointed in how it was handled.)

At the end of the day, yes, that was Kripke’s original planning and ending before he left the show, I don’t disagree. And I actually would’ve loved to see the finale we got if it had been done after season 5! I think it fit and tracked with the development of the show and ends it on a hopeful note (if it had ended then). However, after Kripke’s original planning, I do think it’s a disservice to say “family don’t end with blood” for over ten years and then end the show showing only the blood brothers. I have no problem if that had been the plan all along, but like I said, the show evolved. We got Jody, Donna, Garth and his family, Claire, Alex, Jack, etc… They we’re family, too (at least in my opinion). And if the writers had always wanted it to end back with just the brothers, they shouldn’t have allowed it to grow so much from the original plotting.

[dwc-jamc-spn]

Do Jensen and Jared understand how their words, their actions, their inactions, their TV show, and their characters have been used by bigots to justify their bigotry? Do they even realize that?

Does Jared realize how fucked up it was to say what he did? Does he even have any shred of fucking remorse for what he’s done? Does Jared even realize the homophobia he’s fostering in the fandom with what he’s done? He erased Castiel’s queerness, said canon was “open for interpretation” when CANON IS CANON. It’s not open for interpretation.

The culture of seeing queerness in supernatural and how it relates to specifically Dean has been so taboo and hated and despised by so many for so long, and unfortunately it was just part of how the world was back in the early days, but it’s 2021 now. How can Jared think that speaking on a character that isn’t his, on a relationship he’s not apart of, on a scene he wasn’t even on set for…just to invalidate a character who is canonically queer and in love with another questionable character…How can he think that that’s okay? How can he not be posting on twitter or Instagram about how sorry he is for saying what he said and spreading the hate that he did?

And Jensen. He didn’t call Jared out for that stupid fucking homophobic rant. I get that there’s a certain pressure on him (and Jared) when they’re together that they have to be brothers all the time—especially at cons and whatnot, but come on! Do fucking better. Be a better ally to the LGBT+ community because erasing a characters canonical queerness and invalidating a big part of your fanbase that is already discriminated against is homophobic. Period. It’s homophobic and disgusting.

I’m disappointed in the both of them. So fucking disappointed and hurt.

[justttoletyouknow]

One I doubt Jared was aware that Misha queerbaiting Collins was telling people it was a gay confession and that cas was gay.

Two his homophobic rant wasn't even homophobic lol but okay. And I'm saying this as a queer poc. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[dwc-jamc-spn]

One, so what? His words still hurt people and, even unintentionally, erased a canonical fact about a character already confirmed by the actor who played him. And Jared never apologized for that. Neither Jared or Jensen truly did.

Two, I say this as a queer person, too, and with no disrespect or malice: you’re allowed to feel and think what you want about what he said, but you’re not allowed to tell anyone else how they should be feeling or reacting only because you don’t agree with their feelings or opinions. I’m not saying you’re wrong for not finding what he said homophobic, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you are wrong for invalidating the hurt and erasure his words caused people in this fandom; even if it’s unintentional.

[justttoletyouknow]

I didn't imply that you couldn't have your own views. I'm just saying that Jared's comment wasn't in any way offensive or erasing. Jared is far from being homophobic. The show is about supernatural the two brothers not wincest or destiel. That's the whole point.

We – you know, Sam and Dean loved each other. It wasn’t a show about incest. You know? So, Cas and Dean can love each other. It’s not a show about… Uh, it’s not a show about heterosexuality or non-binary. It’s a show about, like, “Hey, you can choose to live your life with love.” . The point was, “You are free to love whoever you want.” You can be heterosexual and love whoever you want, you can be queer and love whoever you want, you can be…any part of the LGBTQIA. Love whoever the fuck you want. It doesn’t mean – sorry, for my cursing – It doesn’t mean you want to do something with them, or to them. So, hopefully Supernatural, uh, in its 327 episodes, helped to have people love those around them.

He literally said you can be any sexuality you want. The show isn't about a ship and he wasn't at all comparing homosexuality to incest. He was just mentioning both sides of the shippers in this fandom.

[dwc-jamc-spn]

(I’m sorry this is so long! I didn’t mean for it to drag on but it got away from me. 😅😅😅 I also left a lot of tags, but they’re mainly just me rambling and writing as I thought so… Do whatever you want with them lmao.)

I’d like to clarify real quick because this is going down a very Jared-centric path (which is partly my fault because I should’ve been more specific in my first reply so I do apologize for that, that’s on me), but I talked about Jared and Jensen in my original post. They both were up on the stage. Tbh, I was confused when I posted the original and I’m still kinda confused now as to why Jared is the only one people are defending because we are allowed to call out people in the public eye. It doesn’t mean they’re being attacked, it means they’re being asked to examine their actions and do different and/or better in the future. I was never attacking or accusing Jared or Jensen because it’s already a known fact they’re not bad people… I was asking for them to look at what they said and did and how it effected people so they can do differently/better in the future.

And, I mean… If I can accept you weren’t hurt by what happened, then you should be able to accept others were hurt. What happened did cause people to feel erased. If you need someone as proof, I’m right here. Both Jared and Jensen made me feel invalidated and wrong for being who I am. It was a miscommunication and unintentional, of course—and again, I have never been saying (nor was I ever saying/implying) either of them are bad people nor are they trying to hurt their fans. They’re just human, and humans make mistakes. No one is faulting them for making a mistake. They’re at fault for not owning up to the mistake and apologizing for hurting the people they did. That was my point. I didn’t even mention Destiel in my original post because it was never about Destiel in the first place. It was only about what Jared said/how Jensen responded, and that it’s not okay to erase Castiel’s confirmed canonical queerness. (And to further clarify, it was also never about if Dean reciprocated or not, either. It was ONLY about what was said/done, and that it’s not okay to erase a fact confirmed by the actor who played the character.)

And you’re right, Supernatural started out as being about Sam and Dean, but it veered off that path through the years. It evolved to be more than a story about two brothers and the trials they faced hunting monsters. It came to be about all kinds of emotional bonds, the relationships we create/cultivate with the people in our life, and what we will do for the ones we love. (At least, that’s what it came to be about in my opinion. Partly because the show was never supposed to last 15 seasons, it’s bound to evolve past the original 5/6 season plans of two brothers hunting monsters across the continental US and whatnot.)

[dwc-jamc-spn]

Do Jensen and Jared understand how their words, their actions, their inactions, their TV show, and their characters have been used by bigots to justify their bigotry? Do they even realize that?

Does Jared realize how fucked up it was to say what he did? Does he even have any shred of fucking remorse for what he’s done? Does Jared even realize the homophobia he’s fostering in the fandom with what he’s done? He erased Castiel’s queerness, said canon was “open for interpretation” when CANON IS CANON. It’s not open for interpretation.

The culture of seeing queerness in supernatural and how it relates to specifically Dean has been so taboo and hated and despised by so many for so long, and unfortunately it was just part of how the world was back in the early days, but it’s 2021 now. How can Jared think that speaking on a character that isn’t his, on a relationship he’s not apart of, on a scene he wasn’t even on set for…just to invalidate a character who is canonically queer and in love with another questionable character…How can he think that that’s okay? How can he not be posting on twitter or Instagram about how sorry he is for saying what he said and spreading the hate that he did?

And Jensen. He didn’t call Jared out for that stupid fucking homophobic rant. I get that there’s a certain pressure on him (and Jared) when they’re together that they have to be brothers all the time—especially at cons and whatnot, but come on! Do fucking better. Be a better ally to the LGBT+ community because erasing a characters canonical queerness and invalidating a big part of your fanbase that is already discriminated against is homophobic. Period. It’s homophobic and disgusting.

I’m disappointed in the both of them. So fucking disappointed and hurt.

[justttoletyouknow]

One I doubt Jared was aware that Misha queerbaiting Collins was telling people it was a gay confession and that cas was gay.

Two his homophobic rant wasn't even homophobic lol but okay. And I'm saying this as a queer poc. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[dwc-jamc-spn]

One, so what? His words still hurt people and, even unintentionally, erased a canonical fact about a character already confirmed by the actor who played him. And Jared never apologized for that. Neither Jared or Jensen truly did.

Two, I say this as a queer person, too, and with no disrespect or malice: you’re allowed to feel and think what you want about what he said, but you’re not allowed to tell anyone else how they should be feeling or reacting only because you don’t agree with their feelings or opinions. I’m not saying you’re wrong for not finding what he said homophobic, you’re entitled to your own opinion, but you are wrong for invalidating the hurt and erasure his words caused people in this fandom; even if it’s unintentional.

[fire-fog-deactivated20230105]

just realised that both dean and jack got told by their respective moms that angels were watching over them … and the angel in question was always cas.

help I’m getting ripped apart by wolves

[found--family]

@magickastiel 🤣

[faithdeans-deactivated20221011]

*youth pastor voice* Yeah buddy, it is pretty "rad" that Jesus died and was resurrected. But do you know who else died and was resurrected? Dean Winc-

[dwc-jamc-spn]

Dean would 100% be a bridezilla. Like 1000% he is. His day has to be perfect and if he’s given lilac accented napkins when he wanted lavender you better run.

[emeraldcas]

cas doesn't even have to actively flirt for people to be interested in him. the guy just exudes raw sexual energy

[sheepstiel]

[meatmensch]

[saratsuzuki]

But Dean didnt ask him to date ☹️