eggy deggy

bruh! (she/her)

[cattoonxd]

Who gave him the switch bro

[katanahime]

The fundamental problem I have with any version of "Tim Drake forms 'his own' hero identity outside of Robin", is that Tim has never had any internal motivation to feel like that's something that he should do.

His internal push-and-pull has always been about whether or not he would stay in the life at all, and any force that encouraged him away from Robin as a mantle was always external. (Although, I do want to also note that any time he quits or considers quitting, it always reinforces his decision to be a hero in the end via having that arc and continuing to make the decisions that he does, just quick sidenote.)

We also have a ton of proof, including his introduction itself, that he sees no contradiction or problem with having an adult Robin.

And thus, rather than "growing up", moving away from Robin specifically toward something else feels like "doing what other people tell you to".

It's not treating Tim as an adult with autonomy (in-universe, obviously he has no autonomy no matter what, he's a character). It's treating him like people treat children, and in a significantly worse way than even he was treated as a child on the hero side of things, since he actually had an unprecedented level of autonomy as Robin (Robin is, in fact, representative of an autonomy power fantasy in a lot of ways).

It's bending to other characters going "you don't know what's best for yourself, I do".

And while you can always write a character changing their mind (that was arguably what was done with Dick in the first place, and the idea of a universe where he just never stopped being Robin and there was only ever one is more than reasonable from the perspective of before they wrote him say the things he did later), but because of the history we do have Dick, and the specific ways Tim has been contrasted with Dick on this subject, and it being way more clear how Tim did already feel about it, doing that with Tim now would read like support of the general "you'll grow out of it" mentality that a lot of people have toward young people with strong opinions about things.

And I just loathe that as a message.

[mothemotics]

no one has yet written the ultimate nightwing whump fic: tim having a crush on ted kord

[notbao]

started as kiss anatomy practice, felt obligated to draw bart kiss everyone for new years hehe

[batman-polls]

What is Tim Drake's political leaning?

What is Tim Drake's political leaning?

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Voting ended onJan 9

[notbao]

that fucking bird that I hate

[severalmoremutants]

no sir thats my emotional support 90s comic run with occasionally atrocious art

[weareratsandwesuffer]

As someone who liberally partakes in Tim Drake fanfiction may I offer writers my favorite Tim Drake tiktok, because this still encapsulates my opinions on his character

Specifically in regards to his relationship to batman and vigilantism in general being a decent into hell, his character was not only made to be audience shoe in but also was inspired by the Peter Parker??

He goes through so much in his career as a vigilante and despite the fact that it takes up at least 85% of his brain at any given moment, I personally feel like it's not explored indepth in most fics. I might just be out of date cause in all honesty I haven't read for him in a while and my preferences in fiction don't usually look into his deeper feelings on the subject, so there's room for error.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is if anyone has any fics or comic recs that involves Tim and his trauma to and because of taking up a mask, cause DC is a beast and I'm still too intimidated by writing for Tim on my own time.

Also also Tim is hard to draw and I need to put my creativity with DC into some sort of outlet.

Im just in love with Timothy Jackson "Crashout" Drake

[traincat]

random. So, you know comics with Johnny suck/injured??

Oh do I know comics where Johnny is injured. He gets sick less often but then he can boil his blood, so. If you want some sick!Johnny content, check out Ultimate Fantastic Four #13-18.

Also check out Matt Fraction's Fantastic Four and FF runs. His Fantastic Four run features Reed (and later Sue) hiding the fact that the Fantastic Four are being killed by their powers, which begin to fail them. Notable for the scene where Johnny, who can't stop burning, is impaled on a piece of metal and has to be stitched up using Sue's forcefields to keep him from bleeding out. FF features Old John Storm, a traumatized version of Johnny from an alternate universe. Both are good for Johnny whump.

Injured!Johnny, a reclist. This is not comprehensive; I keep almost asking if people want me to post the Johnny Fainting Collection again but I would have to post it in parts because I'm pretty sure the tumblr image limit is like 30 images and that won't even get us out of the Kirby/Lee run. You truly have no idea how much this boy faints.

Someone check on him please.

I'm going to go ahead and blanket rec Johnny's Strange Tales era, which is Strange Tales #101-134 and Strange Tales Annual #2. (This is Johnny and Peter's first official teamup.) Not every issue features Johnny getting injured, but a very common formula in it is "Johnny Storm, America's sweetheart, gets in some kind of trouble and needs help/manages to rescue himself/nobly tries to sacrifice himself." It's very fun. Johnny gets tied to the railroad tracks! Johnny gets tied to a street sign! Johnny... gets tied to a porpoise. I especially recommend Strange Tales #112: Johnny nearly dies absorbing the explosion of a dirty bomb. Very classic "everyone thinks The Character is a vapid showoff until The Character nobly sacrifices themselves to Save the Town and then everyone regrets their harsh opinions and cries about it."

Fantastic Four #25-26: Despite being seriously injured, Johnny joins the others in fighting the Hulk.

Fantastic Four #170: Johnny is injured in a fight.

Fantastic Four #191-193: This is more on the emotional hurt side of things, although Johnny is also injured at the beginning. When the Fantastic Four split up, Johnny's at a loss emotionally. Reunited with his best friend and college roommate Wyatt Wingfoot, their mutual friend racecar driver Rebecca Rainbow worries Johnny might hurt himself. (P.S. Bring back Rebecca Rainbow.)

Fantastic Four #244: Following his girlfriend Frankie Raye's decision to leave Earth and become Galactus' new herald, Johnny goes missing for days only to collapse on Frankie's roommate's sofa. Again, this is more emotional hurt, although he is in bad physical condition when Sue and Reed go to find him.

Fantastic Four #263-264: Johnny is kidnapped by a billionaire theme park owner who is Definitely Not Walt Disney At All and forced to go nova over and over for his plans.

Fantastic Four #296: Blaming Johnny for Ben's suffering, the Mole Man attempts to permanently disfigure him.

Fantastic Four #337-338: Possessed by a mysterious blue woman, Johnny experiences debilitating pain.

Fantastic Four 2099 #3: Johnny gets shot and has to cauterize his own wounds.

Fantastic Four v3 #35: Johnny is captured when Diablo invades Pier Four.

Fantastic Four v3 #63-64: An explosion temporarily deafens and blinds Johnny. Later, he's knocked unconscious when he and Ben are buried under the rubble of a building.

Fantastic Four v3 #69, Fantastic Four #501: These issues are very close together, renumbering is just lying to you. While trying to rescue Franklin, Johnny is badly burned by hellfire. The experience shakes him badly.

Fantastic Four #508-509: Ben is possessed by Doctor Doom, who attempts to kill Johnny, with tragic consequences.

Civil War #1-2, Fantastic Four #538: Johnny is badly beaten by a crowd of civilians and hospitalized following the Stanford Incident.

Fantastic Four #559-561: Johnny is kidnapped by his one time fling Psionics and a mysterious crew of figures from the future and used as a Galactus battery.

Dark Reign: Zodiac #1: I feel remiss in not mentioning this, especially since there's been conversation around it recently, but I don't actually recommend this comic. I think it's an unpleasant read, to say the least, but you asked for injured Johnny content, and it does fit the bill. Johnny is attacked and badly beaten by Zodiac, rendering him hospitalized. CW for homophobia and what is at the very least if not flat out implied then a metaphor for sexual assault.

The Negative Zone (Fantastic Four #587, #600): When people talk about the Negative Zone in relation to Johnny, they are talking about a very specific incident in Jonathan Hickman's run where Johnny purposefully seals himself in the Negative Zone to save Ben and the kids. Trapped for two years, Johnny is repeatedly killed and resurrected while being forced to fight in Annihilus' gladiator battles. While technically you can get the whole story from #587 and #588, I recommend reading Hickman's Fantastic Four run up #604 and his FF run from #1-16. (#17 is the Spideytorch roommates issue, which is a delight, but not exactly heavy on the hurt.) More on the emotional hurt side of things, although he does get thrown around a lot, I also recommend Annihilation Scourge: Fantastic Four.

Uncanny Avengers #18-20: Uncanny Avengers has a couple good examples of hurt!Johnny, but I'm going to single out the time he was possessed by the Red Skull, who threatened to kill him in front of Spider-Man.

Amazing Spider-Man #799-800: Johnny is attacked by the Red Goblin and injured.

Fantastic Four: First Family #6: This is the last issue of a retelling of the early days of the Fantastic Four that I don't generally love, although I think it raises a lot of interesting points, but in this issue Johnny is mentally transported by a psychic villain to his worst fear. Good stuff.

[arriettyspin]

G. Willow Wilson is writing Kamala again

[mssmarvell]

one of my favourite images of kamala ever i love when she’s gigantic and looming

[projectorthus]

They’re so sibling coded

[optimistic-turpitude]

[lesansnom]

I'm frustrated that there's no more young justice so I made my own one-shot :)

[raybeam-littlebean]

Okay, guys

As the old saying goes, if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself

So. I've been hearing much complains here that no one writes Timkon the ways its meant to be because no one reads the comics and only goes off the movies/shows—

I'm so guilty of this, don't come at me

I'm tired of the complains and as a certified people pleaser on a mellow day, I will write these fics for you

So, if anyone can, write me a complete list of every comic Tim and Conner is in together or any one you think would be helpful to me. And where I can read these comics if it's online. And I'll start studying and writing when I can. If you want a decent comic timkon fic, here's your chance

[mamawasatesttube]

hello! delighted to hear you're interested in getting into the comics. :) this is probably gonna get a little long, i apologize in advance - but that's the fun thing about characters with like 30+ years of history!!

to start out, i would highly recommend just reading through both tim and kon's solo runs. i don't think it's possible to really get a good handle on either of their characters without understanding their backstories, their supporting casts, and the things they've gone through. so that would be superboy (1994) and robin (1993). for sb94, i have a lil post about the general warnings for the run (and a more detailed list linked in it) right over here. i don't have a resource like that on hand for robin '93 (yet?) but if you need one, let me know + give me a few days and i can make it myself if need be!

a lot of the comics i'm going to mention kind of overlap with each other, because some of them were ongoing and running alongside each other at different intervals. for example, robin (1993) has some issues that are concurrent with young justice (1998) and some that are concurrent with teen titans (2003), simply because it had such a long run. you can either hop around and try to read everything set in the same time period together, or just read one run start to finish before moving to the next. (the latter option might be easier; you just have to keep in mind the time periods are a lil fluid as you do!)

for where to read comics online: i won't publicly link any piracy sites bc that's how you get them nuked, but get a decent adblocker (i rec ublock origin) and search "read comics online free". you should be golden. if you can't find a good site, send me an ask and i'll happily link you to some in private!!

SO all of that out of the way, here's a quick list:

a lonely place of dying (1989) is tim's introduction.

reign of the supermen (1993) is kon's introduction. it's also just a banger comic storyline in general, though it can be a confusing place to start if you're not used to how comic crossovers/events work! (if you can find it collected as a tpb (trade paperback), that's an easy way to read all the issues together.)

superboy/robin: world's finest three is the comic where tim and kon first meet. one of my favorites!!

young justice (1998) is the teamup book that shows a lot of their adventures with their friends (tim, kon, bart, greta, cassie, cissie, anita, li'l lobo, slobo, the ray, and a few others who appear now and then).

if reading kon's entire solo is too daunting at first, i would highly recommend reading at least issues #59-65, #85, #87-92, and #100 for some important insights as to his character, plus some fun interactions with his friends. (if you're interested in his relationship with clark i'd also add superman (1987) #155, which is one of my favorite issues of all time!)

but seriously i would rec reading all of sb94. so few people have, and no one really gets kon's character as a result.

if reading tim's entire solo is too daunting at first, i'd recommend robin (1991) and cry of the huntress, which are prequels to robin '93.

issues of robin '93 that i highly suggest reading for tim characterization: #35, #46, #74-75, #107-111, #121-125, #132 and #156.

teen titans/young justice: graduation day is the transition point between young justice (1998) and teen titans (2003). also has a historic timkon moment (judd winick made a visual pun about them coming out of a closet together).

teen titans (2003). okay full disclosure this comic is not... good? but it is compelling in a lot of ways. it's an experience. lots of tim and kon homoeroticism as well as a lot of infuriating bullshit. this is where the "lex luthor was involved in kon's origins" retcon came from. (that was not true before this retcon!! lex had nothing to do with kon prior to this comic.)

about a third of the way through tt03, infinite crisis happens. this is where kon dies. important event, but if none of it makes sense don't worry about it too much. that's what rereading with greater context later is for!

52 picks up after infinite crisis, and deals with several storylines including tim and cassie's grief. in particular 52 #51 is where we got the famous "they were his colors" scene.

tt03 and robin '93 both continue with tim (and cassie) being insane in the wake of kon's death for a time. bart also dies. kon and bart both come back to life in final crisis: legion of three worlds.

red robin (2009) starts around that time. IMPORTANT NOTE: rr09 is a love letter to robin '93. in my opinion, it reads much, MUCH better after you've already read robin '93. a lot of people try to take tim characterization from rr09 alone without realizing that it is a direct response to his mental health spiral at the end of robin '93. this is a trap!! rr09 is built on the context of robin '93 and reading it without that context will give you a pretty faulty picture of tim and his relationships, his mental state, and his general characterization.

adventure comics (2009) picks up with kon after his resurrection in smallville. same author as a lot of the more annoying stuff in tt03, but the art is lovely and it has some character moments that are pretty good despite his lowkey eugenics plotline.

superboy (2011) is after ac09 and elaborates on kon's post-resurrection state of mind and his friends and adventures in smallville. short and sweet!!

[qweenofurheart]

i can imagine a phase of tim’s ceo life involved being a sort of corporate vigilante

[androxys]

Has everyone seen this Nightwing and Red Robin short? Please everyone watch this Nightwing and Red Robin short. Tim's little grin. Dick's scorecard and Tim's pout. Dick tugging Tim's cape. This is everything.