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How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
3/?
Depending on your actions through the game one of two things will happen.
If you did not recruit every npc and defeat every secret boss, Susie will fight the party in castle town. She will do everything in her power to stop you, some of the darkners you recruited will fight against you, others will help you. Eventually you will reach the fountain where you and Susie will face off for the fate of the worlds. She makes it clear that she cares about the dark world more than her own life, she is willing to die for it, and if she has to is willing to kill for it. As long as she lives, you won't make it past her.
But your party, Kris, Ralsei, and maybe Noelle, they don't want to fight Susie. Kris loves Susie as a friend, and might have a crush on them and Noelle loves Susie just as much if not more. The only Ralsei is willing to do what needs to be done, and even he is hesitant. Susie helped Ralsei out of his shell, helped him become his own person. To end the life of not only one of the heroes of prophecy but one of your first friends, it might be too much for him.
In the end, no one on your side is willing to fight, and words mean little, you can only dodge and heal until you run out of hp. This is a fight that you can't not win, you either lose, or become locked in an eternal stalemate. When the battle final ends, there is no way to stop the roaring, and even as everything is lost in darkness, Susie refuses to let go.
A message from the first person you talked to when you first opened the game. "IT SEEMS WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE. HONESTLY I AM DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. I WAS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER WHILE THIS STORY IS LOST IN THE DARK, YOURS IS NOT. IF YOU WISH, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, TRY TO REACH THE ENDING WE BOTH SEEK, MY DELTARUNE."
This is the normal ending of deltarune, but its not really an ending, the story just can't progress past this point. But if you are willing to dig deeper the true ending can be attained.
4/?
If the player was able to recruit every enemy, defeat every secret boss, and spared everyone that fought against you on the way to seal the castle town dark fountain. When you reach Susie at the fountain, all of the darkners come to your side. Everyone helping you, blocking her attacks, healing you, and telling Susie that she needs to let go. It is only when everyone's voices are together that she relents. She breaks down in tears, she loves the dark world and everyone in it so much, she can't imagine life without them anymore. Everyone reassures her, You still friends in the light world. You have Kris and Noelle, Berdly and Toriel, Asgore and everyone else in hometown. Everyone down here will still be with you, even if we can't move or talk on our own, we will still be with you in the light world, you're not alone. With this encouagement, Susie is prepared to say the dark world goodbye. You get a chance to talk to everyone one last time, and before you go to seal the fountain, Ralsei hugs Susie and Kris and reminds them "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark."
The fountain is sealed, the roaring is stopped, the prophecy is fulfilled. Everything goes on as normal. Kris and Susie finally finish their group project with help from Noelle and Berdly. Asgore after escaping from the shelter, was able to prove himself innocent after the roaring gave him the evidence he needed. The Dreemurs and the Holidays find out exactly what happened to Dess. Asriel finally comes home from college.
(crap I forgot. In chapter 6 after you defeat the knight you find out their true identity. I currently think its one of two options I will explain later. You also make it into the shelter and rescue Asgore and Undyne, any anyone else that might be taken in chapter 6. You also find out what happened to dess and what happened that day. Its also revealed to everyone that Kris and Carol were working with knight and why that is)
We cut to an undetermined amount of time later. Susie is showing Kris the book she finished writing, its a story about all of their adventures, but she can't think of a name. A choice box appears with some option, but the soul is there, the text box just moves forward and Kris tells Susie she should call it Deltarune. She then says she regrets asking them, and calls it "The Dragon's light" (or something idk may she calls it the $!$! squad adventures).
The credits roll and we receive a message. "EXCELLENT. TRULY "EXCELLENT. I KNEW CALLING YOU WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE. YOU CHANGED THE FATE OF THIS WORLD FOR THE BETTER. MY COMMENDATIONS."
"ALTHOUGH, THIS EXPERIMENT IS NOT OVER YET. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PATH THIS STORY CAN TAKE. I WONDER IF YOU CAN FIND IT? IF YOU DO, I'M SURE YOU WILL FIND IT, VERY, VERY, INTERESTING."
"UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
MY
DELTARUNE."
5/?
Weird route time!
At this point I am still mostly unsure as to how the weird route will go, but I have a couple of ideas.
If Dess is the knight then it might go something like this.
Kris and Noelle, after nearly drowning, fall under hometown to the primordial darkness that the dark fountains spew out. There Kris and Noelle will explore while fighting against various dark creatures (black shard is really helpful here). As the two explore they find random bits of lore. They may find notes from UNUSED, Dess's belongings, stuff that Kris and Noelle lost that they forgot they even had.
After wandering through the darkness following clues, they find themselves below the shelter. The see Undyne, and possibly Asgore. Here we see exactly what Asgore finds. More of Dess's belongings, and a journal detailing how Dess became the knight and what they've been doing. The Knight comes back and sees the two of them. Noelle can barley recognize her, but she knows it's dess. The knight, seeing how much noelle had changed can barely recognize her, but she knows. Noelle tells dess what happpen and she is PISSED at Kris and the Player. This leads to a secret boss fight against a superpowered knight. They will Swoon Kris, but only down Noelle. If you manage to beat them, you are given a choice. You can have Noelle use snowgrave, or have Kris finish them off. If you let Kris kill the knight, you get the weapon BLACK KNIFE, which basically oneshots most enemies and bosses in the game and will actually kill them. If you have Noelle kill her, snowgrave now only costs 50TP. After the battle Kris will breakdown but the choice box with proceed appears again. But it's Noelle that says it. She remarks that if felt like someone else was talking through her. It happens again, she says she should feel scared, but instead its exciting, you both say again and again until Kris stops shaking. And then they move one like nothing happened.
Whether they fight the knight or not they will eventually find themselves right below castle town. Noelle wants to go up there to "get stronger". Kris tries to resist, but their attempts are futile, everyone in castle town is either frozen or killed with the BLACK KNIFE. Susie and Ralsei appear and Susie demands an explanation. Meanwhile Ralsei is trying to thaw out the frozen darkners to no avail. Noelle's says that they were just getting stronger, and wonders why she caries so much about these fake people. Susie furious initiates the fight seen at the end of the normal route. Except this time Kris and Noelle are willing to fight, and they can actually kill Susie. Noelle is laughing like a maniac, Ralsei wonders how everything could have gone so wrong. He wonders if this all could have been avoided if he stay with Kris in Cyber City. But its too late now. Noelle has become made with power and begins encasing the entire dark world in ice. Kris and Ralsei slowly freeze solid, and once she comes to. Noelle is left to wander a world completely covered in ice and snow, you as the soul are now tied to Noelle, but she is much to powerful for you to control. So Noelle wanders the wasteland search for the next enemy to freeze.
The game closes and when you reopen it, the save slot you got the weird route on is frozen solid, that save slot is now locked in every chapter, you can't delete or save over it (without going in to the game files)
If all three save slots are frozen you get this message
"REMARKABLE, ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE. YOUR ABILITY TO CHANGE FATE HOLDS NO BOUNDS. AND YET, THIS WAS THE PATH YOU CHOSE TO PERUSE. TO FREEZE EVERYTHING IN PERPETUITY.
NOT EVEN I HAVE THE POWER TO UNDO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I GUESS THAT MEANS THE EXPERIMENT IS OVER. I MUST SAY I DID NOT EXPECT THESE RESULTS, BUT THAT IS THE RISK YOU RUN WHEN DOING SCIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL MEET AGAIN, BUT I HOPE YOU ENJOYED OUR TIME TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I HAVE.
GOODBYE
MY
DELTARUNE
W.D. GASTER.
6/?
Another another way the story could pan out is something like this.
Noelle ends up absorbing Kris's soul, and the two fuse a being like Chara and Asriel. They then wake up either in the shelter or on the other side of the lake as the Roaring Knight. As the knight they have power, the power to do almost anything. Kris and Noelle as the Knight go further out of bounds, further into the darkness, so that they can find Dess. They end up straying so far that they loop around back to the beginning. Not Chapter 1, Chapter 0
Chapter 0- The day Dess disappeared.
As the knight you get the chance to see hometown before the incident. You can't interact with any but you get to see what things were like.
You go to the section of hometown that gets taped up in the future. Their you see Dess and young Kris, hanging out in the forest, probably trying to summon a demon. Young Kris unknowingly creates a dark fountain, Dess and Kris get trapped inside. You as the knight follow them into another dark world. It's a seemingly endless forest. You see Dess and young Kris move through the forest, moving in the background to protect them. In order to progress you have to follow the right path, Dess and Noelle seem to know most of the way, based on their own knowledge of the forest around their home, but eventually the path becomes so twisted that even they become lost. That's is when young Kris and Dess see a tail, and the tail guides them through the forest, Noelle pushes to move forward, Kris is reluctant but you proceed anyway. Eventually you all follow the tail to it's destination, but it was not leading you to the dark fountain, it was leading you to its den.
Someone talks the two of them from behind a tree, Dess is cautious but young Kris approaches the tree. You don't see what happens, but you hear the sounds of a soul being ripped out and then shattered. Then you hear a soul being put back in.
Kris reappears, with a blank expression on their face. With the knife they used to create the dark world in hand, they cuts Dess open like Christmas present. Dess bleeds out, and Kris face suddenly changes and they start to freak out. Noelle can't believe her eyes, the reason Dess disappears was because Kris made a dark world and killed her there? With their souls fused she feel the guilt and sorrow that Kris feels. A part of her wants to kill Kris right then and there, but she knows that Kris was being controlled by something else, that whatever that man did, they're why everything is the way it is now. The Knight jumps in to grab young kris, but they are stopped by an army of FRIENDS attacks them. A boss fight where you play as the knight and fight the cat army ensues. After the battle, the Knight grabs young kris as they sob and jumps right to the dark fountain. The knight tries to seal the fountain as kris would but it's not working. Suddenly they see the soul shine bright from young Kris's chest and it seals the dark fountain. The dark world disappears, Dess's body is nowhere to be found, young kris is crying in their arms, they aren't sure what to do. They hear Asgore approaching, and the knight quickly ducks into hiding. From there a series of cut scenes play describing what happen afterward. Time passes, the knight is hiding away and they get an idea. They know from Berdly a lightner who dies in the dark world may not be completely dead in the light world. There's a chance that Dess is still alive, they won't know for sure until they find her. The knight gets into contact with Carol, they explain that they want to help find her daughter, they just need make sure no one gets to the shelter.. Carol would do just about anything to find Dess and agrees to help. They then go to Kris, they need their help to seal the dark fountain when the find Dess, and to keep the soul occupied. Kris feeling guilty agrees.
Afterward, late at night, the Knight sneaks into the school, now with more maneuverability after reaching an agreement with Carol. They go to unused classroom and create a dark fountain. The sun rises, Toriel wakes Kris up for school today, its Thursday morning, the beginning of chapter one.
This is the Kriselle/Amalgam Knight version of chapter 7b
And also what I think happened to Dess.
7/7
So to summarize here is what I think will happen
Chapter 6 will have a bunch of mini dark world and will end with a knight rematch and reveal and the start of the roaring.
Chapter 7 will have to versions of events with only one being the actual ending.
The roaring can only be stopped by sealing all of the dark fountains, permenatly seperated the light and dark worlds.
Susie will fight against us to keep castle town.
if you don't recruit everyone she won't stop fighting, you will lose the fight and the world will be lost to darkness.
If you did recruit everyone and beat all the secret bosses, everyone will come together to help Susie let go of the dark world. You will seal the fountain and the world will be saved.
Weird route has two ending depending on who is the knight.
If its dess, then Kris and noelle will enter the depths, learn about what happen to dess, what the darkness is, and maybe what gaster was doing. Secret boss knight rematch, Dess is pissed you messed up noelle, get big power up for Kris or Noelle. Kill everyone in castle, kill susie and ralsei, and freeze the dark world (and possibly the light world) over. Do this three times to brick your copy of the game and get a special message from Gaster
If Kriselle knight, Use the power of the knight to break the game so hard you go back in time to chapter 0. Find out what exactly happend the day Dess disappeared. Learn why Kris's soul can be controlled, what the knights motives are and why Carol and Kris are working with them.
I Feel like this turn into a fanfic half way through, but I still thing its interesting and that some of this will happen.
Thank you and goodnight, see you in 2027
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
3/?
Depending on your actions through the game one of two things will happen.
If you did not recruit every npc and defeat every secret boss, Susie will fight the party in castle town. She will do everything in her power to stop you, some of the darkners you recruited will fight against you, others will help you. Eventually you will reach the fountain where you and Susie will face off for the fate of the worlds. She makes it clear that she cares about the dark world more than her own life, she is willing to die for it, and if she has to is willing to kill for it. As long as she lives, you won't make it past her.
But your party, Kris, Ralsei, and maybe Noelle, they don't want to fight Susie. Kris loves Susie as a friend, and might have a crush on them and Noelle loves Susie just as much if not more. The only Ralsei is willing to do what needs to be done, and even he is hesitant. Susie helped Ralsei out of his shell, helped him become his own person. To end the life of not only one of the heroes of prophecy but one of your first friends, it might be too much for him.
In the end, no one on your side is willing to fight, and words mean little, you can only dodge and heal until you run out of hp. This is a fight that you can't not win, you either lose, or become locked in an eternal stalemate. When the battle final ends, there is no way to stop the roaring, and even as everything is lost in darkness, Susie refuses to let go.
A message from the first person you talked to when you first opened the game. "IT SEEMS WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE. HONESTLY I AM DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. I WAS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER WHILE THIS STORY IS LOST IN THE DARK, YOURS IS NOT. IF YOU WISH, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, TRY TO REACH THE ENDING WE BOTH SEEK, MY DELTARUNE."
This is the normal ending of deltarune, but its not really an ending, the story just can't progress past this point. But if you are willing to dig deeper the true ending can be attained.
4/?
If the player was able to recruit every enemy, defeat every secret boss, and spared everyone that fought against you on the way to seal the castle town dark fountain. When you reach Susie at the fountain, all of the darkners come to your side. Everyone helping you, blocking her attacks, healing you, and telling Susie that she needs to let go. It is only when everyone's voices are together that she relents. She breaks down in tears, she loves the dark world and everyone in it so much, she can't imagine life without them anymore. Everyone reassures her, You still friends in the light world. You have Kris and Noelle, Berdly and Toriel, Asgore and everyone else in hometown. Everyone down here will still be with you, even if we can't move or talk on our own, we will still be with you in the light world, you're not alone. With this encouagement, Susie is prepared to say the dark world goodbye. You get a chance to talk to everyone one last time, and before you go to seal the fountain, Ralsei hugs Susie and Kris and reminds them "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark."
The fountain is sealed, the roaring is stopped, the prophecy is fulfilled. Everything goes on as normal. Kris and Susie finally finish their group project with help from Noelle and Berdly. Asgore after escaping from the shelter, was able to prove himself innocent after the roaring gave him the evidence he needed. The Dreemurs and the Holidays find out exactly what happened to Dess. Asriel finally comes home from college.
(crap I forgot. In chapter 6 after you defeat the knight you find out their true identity. I currently think its one of two options I will explain later. You also make it into the shelter and rescue Asgore and Undyne, any anyone else that might be taken in chapter 6. You also find out what happened to dess and what happened that day. Its also revealed to everyone that Kris and Carol were working with knight and why that is)
We cut to an undetermined amount of time later. Susie is showing Kris the book she finished writing, its a story about all of their adventures, but she can't think of a name. A choice box appears with some option, but the soul is there, the text box just moves forward and Kris tells Susie she should call it Deltarune. She then says she regrets asking them, and calls it "The Dragon's light" (or something idk may she calls it the $!$! squad adventures).
The credits roll and we receive a message. "EXCELLENT. TRULY "EXCELLENT. I KNEW CALLING YOU WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE. YOU CHANGED THE FATE OF THIS WORLD FOR THE BETTER. MY COMMENDATIONS."
"ALTHOUGH, THIS EXPERIMENT IS NOT OVER YET. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PATH THIS STORY CAN TAKE. I WONDER IF YOU CAN FIND IT? IF YOU DO, I'M SURE YOU WILL FIND IT, VERY, VERY, INTERESTING."
"UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
MY
DELTARUNE."
5/?
Weird route time!
At this point I am still mostly unsure as to how the weird route will go, but I have a couple of ideas.
If Dess is the knight then it might go something like this.
Kris and Noelle, after nearly drowning, fall under hometown to the primordial darkness that the dark fountains spew out. There Kris and Noelle will explore while fighting against various dark creatures (black shard is really helpful here). As the two explore they find random bits of lore. They may find notes from UNUSED, Dess's belongings, stuff that Kris and Noelle lost that they forgot they even had.
After wandering through the darkness following clues, they find themselves below the shelter. The see Undyne, and possibly Asgore. Here we see exactly what Asgore finds. More of Dess's belongings, and a journal detailing how Dess became the knight and what they've been doing. The Knight comes back and sees the two of them. Noelle can barley recognize her, but she knows it's dess. The knight, seeing how much noelle had changed can barely recognize her, but she knows. Noelle tells dess what happpen and she is PISSED at Kris and the Player. This leads to a secret boss fight against a superpowered knight. They will Swoon Kris, but only down Noelle. If you manage to beat them, you are given a choice. You can have Noelle use snowgrave, or have Kris finish them off. If you let Kris kill the knight, you get the weapon BLACK KNIFE, which basically oneshots most enemies and bosses in the game and will actually kill them. If you have Noelle kill her, snowgrave now only costs 50TP. After the battle Kris will breakdown but the choice box with proceed appears again. But it's Noelle that says it. She remarks that if felt like someone else was talking through her. It happens again, she says she should feel scared, but instead its exciting, you both say again and again until Kris stops shaking. And then they move one like nothing happened.
Whether they fight the knight or not they will eventually find themselves right below castle town. Noelle wants to go up there to "get stronger". Kris tries to resist, but their attempts are futile, everyone in castle town is either frozen or killed with the BLACK KNIFE. Susie and Ralsei appear and Susie demands an explanation. Meanwhile Ralsei is trying to thaw out the frozen darkners to no avail. Noelle's says that they were just getting stronger, and wonders why she caries so much about these fake people. Susie furious initiates the fight seen at the end of the normal route. Except this time Kris and Noelle are willing to fight, and they can actually kill Susie. Noelle is laughing like a maniac, Ralsei wonders how everything could have gone so wrong. He wonders if this all could have been avoided if he stay with Kris in Cyber City. But its too late now. Noelle has become made with power and begins encasing the entire dark world in ice. Kris and Ralsei slowly freeze solid, and once she comes to. Noelle is left to wander a world completely covered in ice and snow, you as the soul are now tied to Noelle, but she is much to powerful for you to control. So Noelle wanders the wasteland search for the next enemy to freeze.
The game closes and when you reopen it, the save slot you got the weird route on is frozen solid, that save slot is now locked in every chapter, you can't delete or save over it (without going in to the game files)
If all three save slots are frozen you get this message
"REMARKABLE, ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE. YOUR ABILITY TO CHANGE FATE HOLDS NO BOUNDS. AND YET, THIS WAS THE PATH YOU CHOSE TO PERUSE. TO FREEZE EVERYTHING IN PERPETUITY.
NOT EVEN I HAVE THE POWER TO UNDO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I GUESS THAT MEANS THE EXPERIMENT IS OVER. I MUST SAY I DID NOT EXPECT THESE RESULTS, BUT THAT IS THE RISK YOU RUN WHEN DOING SCIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL MEET AGAIN, BUT I HOPE YOU ENJOYED OUR TIME TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I HAVE.
GOODBYE
MY
DELTARUNE
W.D. GASTER.
6/?
Another another way the story could pan out is something like this.
Noelle ends up absorbing Kris's soul, and the two fuse a being like Chara and Asriel. They then wake up either in the shelter or on the other side of the lake as the Roaring Knight. As the knight they have power, the power to do almost anything. Kris and Noelle as the Knight go further out of bounds, further into the darkness, so that they can find Dess. They end up straying so far that they loop around back to the beginning. Not Chapter 1, Chapter 0
Chapter 0- The day Dess disappeared.
As the knight you get the chance to see hometown before the incident. You can't interact with any but you get to see what things were like.
You go to the section of hometown that gets taped up in the future. Their you see Dess and young Kris, hanging out in the forest, probably trying to summon a demon. Young Kris unknowingly creates a dark fountain, Dess and Kris get trapped inside. You as the knight follow them into another dark world. It's a seemingly endless forest. You see Dess and young Kris move through the forest, moving in the background to protect them. In order to progress you have to follow the right path, Dess and Noelle seem to know most of the way, based on their own knowledge of the forest around their home, but eventually the path becomes so twisted that even they become lost. That's is when young Kris and Dess see a tail, and the tail guides them through the forest, Noelle pushes to move forward, Kris is reluctant but you proceed anyway. Eventually you all follow the tail to it's destination, but it was not leading you to the dark fountain, it was leading you to its den.
Someone talks the two of them from behind a tree, Dess is cautious but young Kris approaches the tree. You don't see what happens, but you hear the sounds of a soul being ripped out and then shattered. Then you hear a soul being put back in.
Kris reappears, with a blank expression on their face. With the knife they used to create the dark world in hand, they cuts Dess open like Christmas present. Dess bleeds out, and Kris face suddenly changes and they start to freak out. Noelle can't believe her eyes, the reason Dess disappears was because Kris made a dark world and killed her there? With their souls fused she feel the guilt and sorrow that Kris feels. A part of her wants to kill Kris right then and there, but she knows that Kris was being controlled by something else, that whatever that man did, they're why everything is the way it is now. The Knight jumps in to grab young kris, but they are stopped by an army of FRIENDS attacks them. A boss fight where you play as the knight and fight the cat army ensues. After the battle, the Knight grabs young kris as they sob and jumps right to the dark fountain. The knight tries to seal the fountain as kris would but it's not working. Suddenly they see the soul shine bright from young Kris's chest and it seals the dark fountain. The dark world disappears, Dess's body is nowhere to be found, young kris is crying in their arms, they aren't sure what to do. They hear Asgore approaching, and the knight quickly ducks into hiding. From there a series of cut scenes play describing what happen afterward. Time passes, the knight is hiding away and they get an idea. They know from Berdly a lightner who dies in the dark world may not be completely dead in the light world. There's a chance that Dess is still alive, they won't know for sure until they find her. The knight gets into contact with Carol, they explain that they want to help find her daughter, they just need make sure no one gets to the shelter.. Carol would do just about anything to find Dess and agrees to help. They then go to Kris, they need their help to seal the dark fountain when the find Dess, and to keep the soul occupied. Kris feeling guilty agrees.
Afterward, late at night, the Knight sneaks into the school, now with more maneuverability after reaching an agreement with Carol. They go to unused classroom and create a dark fountain. The sun rises, Toriel wakes Kris up for school today, its Thursday morning, the beginning of chapter one.
This is the Kriselle/Amalgam Knight version of chapter 7b
And also what I think happened to Dess.
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
3/?
Depending on your actions through the game one of two things will happen.
If you did not recruit every npc and defeat every secret boss, Susie will fight the party in castle town. She will do everything in her power to stop you, some of the darkners you recruited will fight against you, others will help you. Eventually you will reach the fountain where you and Susie will face off for the fate of the worlds. She makes it clear that she cares about the dark world more than her own life, she is willing to die for it, and if she has to is willing to kill for it. As long as she lives, you won't make it past her.
But your party, Kris, Ralsei, and maybe Noelle, they don't want to fight Susie. Kris loves Susie as a friend, and might have a crush on them and Noelle loves Susie just as much if not more. The only Ralsei is willing to do what needs to be done, and even he is hesitant. Susie helped Ralsei out of his shell, helped him become his own person. To end the life of not only one of the heroes of prophecy but one of your first friends, it might be too much for him.
In the end, no one on your side is willing to fight, and words mean little, you can only dodge and heal until you run out of hp. This is a fight that you can't not win, you either lose, or become locked in an eternal stalemate. When the battle final ends, there is no way to stop the roaring, and even as everything is lost in darkness, Susie refuses to let go.
A message from the first person you talked to when you first opened the game. "IT SEEMS WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE. HONESTLY I AM DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. I WAS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER WHILE THIS STORY IS LOST IN THE DARK, YOURS IS NOT. IF YOU WISH, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, TRY TO REACH THE ENDING WE BOTH SEEK, MY DELTARUNE."
This is the normal ending of deltarune, but its not really an ending, the story just can't progress past this point. But if you are willing to dig deeper the true ending can be attained.
4/?
If the player was able to recruit every enemy, defeat every secret boss, and spared everyone that fought against you on the way to seal the castle town dark fountain. When you reach Susie at the fountain, all of the darkners come to your side. Everyone helping you, blocking her attacks, healing you, and telling Susie that she needs to let go. It is only when everyone's voices are together that she relents. She breaks down in tears, she loves the dark world and everyone in it so much, she can't imagine life without them anymore. Everyone reassures her, You still friends in the light world. You have Kris and Noelle, Berdly and Toriel, Asgore and everyone else in hometown. Everyone down here will still be with you, even if we can't move or talk on our own, we will still be with you in the light world, you're not alone. With this encouagement, Susie is prepared to say the dark world goodbye. You get a chance to talk to everyone one last time, and before you go to seal the fountain, Ralsei hugs Susie and Kris and reminds them "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark."
The fountain is sealed, the roaring is stopped, the prophecy is fulfilled. Everything goes on as normal. Kris and Susie finally finish their group project with help from Noelle and Berdly. Asgore after escaping from the shelter, was able to prove himself innocent after the roaring gave him the evidence he needed. The Dreemurs and the Holidays find out exactly what happened to Dess. Asriel finally comes home from college.
(crap I forgot. In chapter 6 after you defeat the knight you find out their true identity. I currently think its one of two options I will explain later. You also make it into the shelter and rescue Asgore and Undyne, any anyone else that might be taken in chapter 6. You also find out what happened to dess and what happened that day. Its also revealed to everyone that Kris and Carol were working with knight and why that is)
We cut to an undetermined amount of time later. Susie is showing Kris the book she finished writing, its a story about all of their adventures, but she can't think of a name. A choice box appears with some option, but the soul is there, the text box just moves forward and Kris tells Susie she should call it Deltarune. She then says she regrets asking them, and calls it "The Dragon's light" (or something idk may she calls it the $!$! squad adventures).
The credits roll and we receive a message. "EXCELLENT. TRULY "EXCELLENT. I KNEW CALLING YOU WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE. YOU CHANGED THE FATE OF THIS WORLD FOR THE BETTER. MY COMMENDATIONS."
"ALTHOUGH, THIS EXPERIMENT IS NOT OVER YET. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PATH THIS STORY CAN TAKE. I WONDER IF YOU CAN FIND IT? IF YOU DO, I'M SURE YOU WILL FIND IT, VERY, VERY, INTERESTING."
"UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
MY
DELTARUNE."
5/?
Weird route time!
At this point I am still mostly unsure as to how the weird route will go, but I have a couple of ideas.
If Dess is the knight then it might go something like this.
Kris and Noelle, after nearly drowning, fall under hometown to the primordial darkness that the dark fountains spew out. There Kris and Noelle will explore while fighting against various dark creatures (black shard is really helpful here). As the two explore they find random bits of lore. They may find notes from UNUSED, Dess's belongings, stuff that Kris and Noelle lost that they forgot they even had.
After wandering through the darkness following clues, they find themselves below the shelter. The see Undyne, and possibly Asgore. Here we see exactly what Asgore finds. More of Dess's belongings, and a journal detailing how Dess became the knight and what they've been doing. The Knight comes back and sees the two of them. Noelle can barley recognize her, but she knows it's dess. The knight, seeing how much noelle had changed can barely recognize her, but she knows. Noelle tells dess what happpen and she is PISSED at Kris and the Player. This leads to a secret boss fight against a superpowered knight. They will Swoon Kris, but only down Noelle. If you manage to beat them, you are given a choice. You can have Noelle use snowgrave, or have Kris finish them off. If you let Kris kill the knight, you get the weapon BLACK KNIFE, which basically oneshots most enemies and bosses in the game and will actually kill them. If you have Noelle kill her, snowgrave now only costs 50TP. After the battle Kris will breakdown but the choice box with proceed appears again. But it's Noelle that says it. She remarks that if felt like someone else was talking through her. It happens again, she says she should feel scared, but instead its exciting, you both say again and again until Kris stops shaking. And then they move one like nothing happened.
Whether they fight the knight or not they will eventually find themselves right below castle town. Noelle wants to go up there to "get stronger". Kris tries to resist, but their attempts are futile, everyone in castle town is either frozen or killed with the BLACK KNIFE. Susie and Ralsei appear and Susie demands an explanation. Meanwhile Ralsei is trying to thaw out the frozen darkners to no avail. Noelle's says that they were just getting stronger, and wonders why she caries so much about these fake people. Susie furious initiates the fight seen at the end of the normal route. Except this time Kris and Noelle are willing to fight, and they can actually kill Susie. Noelle is laughing like a maniac, Ralsei wonders how everything could have gone so wrong. He wonders if this all could have been avoided if he stay with Kris in Cyber City. But its too late now. Noelle has become made with power and begins encasing the entire dark world in ice. Kris and Ralsei slowly freeze solid, and once she comes to. Noelle is left to wander a world completely covered in ice and snow, you as the soul are now tied to Noelle, but she is much to powerful for you to control. So Noelle wanders the wasteland search for the next enemy to freeze.
The game closes and when you reopen it, the save slot you got the weird route on is frozen solid, that save slot is now locked in every chapter, you can't delete or save over it (without going in to the game files)
If all three save slots are frozen you get this message
"REMARKABLE, ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE. YOUR ABILITY TO CHANGE FATE HOLDS NO BOUNDS. AND YET, THIS WAS THE PATH YOU CHOSE TO PERUSE. TO FREEZE EVERYTHING IN PERPETUITY.
NOT EVEN I HAVE THE POWER TO UNDO WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. I GUESS THAT MEANS THE EXPERIMENT IS OVER. I MUST SAY I DID NOT EXPECT THESE RESULTS, BUT THAT IS THE RISK YOU RUN WHEN DOING SCIENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL MEET AGAIN, BUT I HOPE YOU ENJOYED OUR TIME TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I HAVE.
GOODBYE
MY
DELTARUNE
W.D. GASTER.
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
3/?
Depending on your actions through the game one of two things will happen.
If you did not recruit every npc and defeat every secret boss, Susie will fight the party in castle town. She will do everything in her power to stop you, some of the darkners you recruited will fight against you, others will help you. Eventually you will reach the fountain where you and Susie will face off for the fate of the worlds. She makes it clear that she cares about the dark world more than her own life, she is willing to die for it, and if she has to is willing to kill for it. As long as she lives, you won't make it past her.
But your party, Kris, Ralsei, and maybe Noelle, they don't want to fight Susie. Kris loves Susie as a friend, and might have a crush on them and Noelle loves Susie just as much if not more. The only Ralsei is willing to do what needs to be done, and even he is hesitant. Susie helped Ralsei out of his shell, helped him become his own person. To end the life of not only one of the heroes of prophecy but one of your first friends, it might be too much for him.
In the end, no one on your side is willing to fight, and words mean little, you can only dodge and heal until you run out of hp. This is a fight that you can't not win, you either lose, or become locked in an eternal stalemate. When the battle final ends, there is no way to stop the roaring, and even as everything is lost in darkness, Susie refuses to let go.
A message from the first person you talked to when you first opened the game. "IT SEEMS WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE. HONESTLY I AM DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. I WAS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER WHILE THIS STORY IS LOST IN THE DARK, YOURS IS NOT. IF YOU WISH, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, TRY TO REACH THE ENDING WE BOTH SEEK, MY DELTARUNE."
This is the normal ending of deltarune, but its not really an ending, the story just can't progress past this point. But if you are willing to dig deeper the true ending can be attained.
4/?
If the player was able to recruit every enemy, defeat every secret boss, and spared everyone that fought against you on the way to seal the castle town dark fountain. When you reach Susie at the fountain, all of the darkners come to your side. Everyone helping you, blocking her attacks, healing you, and telling Susie that she needs to let go. It is only when everyone's voices are together that she relents. She breaks down in tears, she loves the dark world and everyone in it so much, she can't imagine life without them anymore. Everyone reassures her, You still friends in the light world. You have Kris and Noelle, Berdly and Toriel, Asgore and everyone else in hometown. Everyone down here will still be with you, even if we can't move or talk on our own, we will still be with you in the light world, you're not alone. With this encouagement, Susie is prepared to say the dark world goodbye. You get a chance to talk to everyone one last time, and before you go to seal the fountain, Ralsei hugs Susie and Kris and reminds them "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark."
The fountain is sealed, the roaring is stopped, the prophecy is fulfilled. Everything goes on as normal. Kris and Susie finally finish their group project with help from Noelle and Berdly. Asgore after escaping from the shelter, was able to prove himself innocent after the roaring gave him the evidence he needed. The Dreemurs and the Holidays find out exactly what happened to Dess. Asriel finally comes home from college.
(crap I forgot. In chapter 6 after you defeat the knight you find out their true identity. I currently think its one of two options I will explain later. You also make it into the shelter and rescue Asgore and Undyne, any anyone else that might be taken in chapter 6. You also find out what happened to dess and what happened that day. Its also revealed to everyone that Kris and Carol were working with knight and why that is)
We cut to an undetermined amount of time later. Susie is showing Kris the book she finished writing, its a story about all of their adventures, but she can't think of a name. A choice box appears with some option, but the soul is there, the text box just moves forward and Kris tells Susie she should call it Deltarune. She then says she regrets asking them, and calls it "The Dragon's light" (or something idk may she calls it the $!$! squad adventures).
The credits roll and we receive a message. "EXCELLENT. TRULY "EXCELLENT. I KNEW CALLING YOU WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE. YOU CHANGED THE FATE OF THIS WORLD FOR THE BETTER. MY COMMENDATIONS."
"ALTHOUGH, THIS EXPERIMENT IS NOT OVER YET. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER PATH THIS STORY CAN TAKE. I WONDER IF YOU CAN FIND IT? IF YOU DO, I'M SURE YOU WILL FIND IT, VERY, VERY, INTERESTING."
"UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN.
MY
DELTARUNE."
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
3/?
Depending on your actions through the game one of two things will happen.
If you did not recruit every npc and defeat every secret boss, Susie will fight the party in castle town. She will do everything in her power to stop you, some of the darkners you recruited will fight against you, others will help you. Eventually you will reach the fountain where you and Susie will face off for the fate of the worlds. She makes it clear that she cares about the dark world more than her own life, she is willing to die for it, and if she has to is willing to kill for it. As long as she lives, you won't make it past her.
But your party, Kris, Ralsei, and maybe Noelle, they don't want to fight Susie. Kris loves Susie as a friend, and might have a crush on them and Noelle loves Susie just as much if not more. The only Ralsei is willing to do what needs to be done, and even he is hesitant. Susie helped Ralsei out of his shell, helped him become his own person. To end the life of not only one of the heroes of prophecy but one of your first friends, it might be too much for him.
In the end, no one on your side is willing to fight, and words mean little, you can only dodge and heal until you run out of hp. This is a fight that you can't not win, you either lose, or become locked in an eternal stalemate. When the battle final ends, there is no way to stop the roaring, and even as everything is lost in darkness, Susie refuses to let go.
A message from the first person you talked to when you first opened the game. "IT SEEMS WE HAVE REACHED AN IMPASSE. HONESTLY I AM DISAPPOINTED, I THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE FATE OF THIS WORLD. I WAS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER WHILE THIS STORY IS LOST IN THE DARK, YOURS IS NOT. IF YOU WISH, AND I HOPE YOU DO, YOU CAN TRY AGAIN, TRY TO REACH THE ENDING WE BOTH SEEK, MY DELTARUNE."
This is the normal ending of deltarune, but its not really an ending, the story just can't progress past this point. But if you are willing to dig deeper the true ending can be attained.
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
2/?
I suspect that the deltarune will have three main routes, a normal/casual route, the weird route/side b, and a true ending route.
Chapter 6 will be pretty much the same between the normal and true ending route. I think that instead of one big dark world, Kris and or the knight will create a bunch of smaller dark worlds that the heroes will quickly run through, but more would keep popping up. The chapter will end with Knight rematch but they will make one more fountain and the Roaring will starts and that will end of the chapter.
For Chapter 7 I image there will be little exploration, mostly cut scenes and titan fights. By the end most of the prophecy has come to pass and the thing that Susie and Ralsei have been trying to avoid this whole time will be faced.
Ralsei tells us that the prophecy demands that for the worlds to be saved, every dark fountain, including the one in castle town, must be sealed and the light and dark worlds will be permanently separated. Susie being so attached to the dark world is staunchly against this, and it is at this point that the casual route and main route split.
How I think Deltarune will end (1/?)
Obviously spoilers and theorizing ahead.
So we learn a lot in chapter 5. So far we know that:
Kris can't go long without the soul
The Shadow crystals are made of lost dreams.
There are a total of 5 SC and 5 Eggs and we got the last ones in chapter 5.
Jockington grew the beard from the prophecy
Rudy is still in bad condition and is probably worse after the fall.
Asriel and Dess were a thing.
Suselle is officially a thing. (Outside of weird route)
The menu is diegetic
There was at least one dark fountain before chapter 1 (besides castle town)
Flowers gain unique forms in dark worlds.
Something is happening below home town
Cats like protein, and are relentless hunters
Noelle might join the heroes in chapters 6 and 7
Ralsei has fire magic
Flowery, and possibly the other human flowers, could set their own stats.
The knight was able to ignore flowery's fake stats
Ralsei is strongly against flowery maxing out his stats and giving the gang infinite money
Ralsei feels that he needs to hold himself to some set of rules or else everything will fall apart
Ralsei is very concerned about Susie and the prophecy
Asgore has a hard telling of Ralsei is a monster or not, he also thinks that he looks the way his does to appeal to kris
We know the police chief's shelter code
Susie considers the Dark world to be her home
The weird route, or side B skips most of chapter 5 and all of chapter 6. Some portions of chapter 7 will probably be skipped too.
No one seems to know what is on the other side of the lake
Holidays are “full of surprises”
There are also many things that were not outright confirmed but are theorized or implied to be true.
The Shadow crystals will fuse into the pure crystal, and can be combined with the thorn ring to make the twisted sword.
Friend is not one entity but an army of cats wielded by someone (probably gaster)
Friends hunt after eggs and egg like objects (pipis)
The egg man and spamton are hiding from Friend.
Goner npc killed Onion, he also asked for gold instead of dollars.
The note in the shed behind Sans and Papyrus's house in undertale is the punch card that Sans asked Susie to draw their friends on.
Sans (and maybe papyrus) came from deltarune to undertale.
Sans gave Kris bread to follow them in side B.
Ralsei is specifically against things that break the balance of the game.
Ralsei is trans (or a trans allegory)
Ralsei's may be able to change his stats like flowery
Ralsei's body might be an artificial or constructed form to make them more appealing to Kris and or the player.
Ralsei may not like the role he is placed in.
Kris also likes Susie
Overall while a lot of things are still shrouded in mystery we did see learn a ton, enough to where I have an idea of how Chapters 6 and 7 will go.
the reason usa birth rates going down is because we have a whole generation of women whose sexual awakening was Sans undertale and none of the men want to wear jorts and drink ketchup and go Er er er
What I think most people got wrong about UNDERTALE
I'm not sure if you can consider this a a theory, more of my interpretation of the story.
(Spoilers For undertale and deltarune chapter 1 i guess) So...
Remember when everyone was arguing about whether Chara was evil or not, if they were responsible for the Genocide route (there might be some people who are still arguing), whether it was Chara or the player that's to blame? Well, I think both sides of the argument were looking at things the wrong way. I think the player is supposed to be Chara.
In order to explain I present "THE DIAGRAM".
If you can't read the chicken scratch I made in paint, don't worry I'll explain.
In Deltarune, there are three distinct entities related to player. The actual Player (red soul) the Vessel (grey kid) and Kris (the one that eats moss). At the very beginning of Deltarune, the player is directed to create a vessel, a body for themselves so they can interact with the game world. This vessel was meant to be your body, it would have been completely you. The vessel ends up discarded and the player is forced to take control of Kris. Through out chapter 1 everything is hunky dory, until the end of chapter one, where Kris rips the red soul (you) out of their body so that they can do what they please unimpeded, to show that Kris and the player are two separate entities. This is all surface level stuff most people understand this. Although more subtle I think this dynamic is what happens in undertale.
In undertale you name the fallen human, most people playing the game for the first time would use their name, or the name of one of their OCs, and again, everything is hunky dory, until you arrive in new home. This is where the player learns the story of the first fallen human and Asriel. Most players would get confused, if the fallen human died, how are they here now? This question is answered in the true pacifist ending, where Asriel laments that the human standing before them is not the one they knew. You find out that the person you have been playing as this whole time is actually named frisk, and the fallen human that you named died "a long time ago".
So Frisk and the first fallen human are different people, OK, simple enough, but then why do you play as frisk and not the first fallen human? that's the one you named shouldn't you play as them? I think you do play as the fallen human, or at least, what's left of them.
Here's where things get messy, and even I am not 100% about this. But I believe that, throughout the entirety of undertale, you are playing as the first human, and are possessing frisk through their determination. (from here on I'm gonna say Chara because its faster)
Chara was the character you were supposed to be in undertale, that's why you name them. Chara is the Link, Ness, Cloud, Red, etc of Undertale, they are your avatar. And every avatar needs a back story, such is the tale between Chara and Asriel. But in said backstory, Chara dies. Now this is a problem because how do you play a game where the player character is already dead? So the game can't start, until frisk, the eighth human, falls into the underground.
You, as Chara wake up when Frisk first falls down, it is their determination that wakes you up. You play the game controlling frisk up to the end of the game you watch the credits, and Flowey asks if you, not frisk, you, could get a better ending, or if was true pacifist, that you don't reset and let frisk and the other monsters have a happy ending. But you, being the curious scamp you are, reset, and go for a different ending.
This time you kill everyone, and after beating sans after who knows how many attempts, you come face to face with Chara, or whatever you named them. Chara talks about how confused they were that they woke up after their plan failed, about how your guidance led them down the violent path, how every time you felt good watching the numbers go up, that was them, and asking if you are ready to destroy this empty world and move on to the next. Most people, and understandably so, believe that is is Chara talking to the player, but what if this scene is not Chara talking to you, but You, as Chara talking to frisk. If Chara represents the player, why would they be talking to themselves, but if instead it was the body that they've been inhabiting this whole time, that would make a bit more sense.
Or, if you find the final cut scene hard to believe that their talking to anyone but you, it could be interpreted that reaching love 20 gave Chara the power to wrest themselves free from your control and becoming their own person, a la Kris ripping you out of their chest.
You are (or were) Chara, everything you did as the player, was Chara, everying that that Chara did, was you. Did Chara kill everyone or did the player, both of you did. Who pressed the reset button. Both of you pressed it. You are Chara and Chara represents you.
So in summary, In deltarune, you as the player are a different entity from Kris, you had a designated body but it was lost. In Undertale, I think Chara serves a role similar to the vessel, but died before the start of the game, and was only reawakened when frisk fell, and you used their body instead. You were playing as Chara, Chara controlled frisk, and Frisk's determination let all of this happen. I think this is what Toby was going for, but people didn't get it, so he made it extra clear in deltarune
Extra: Does this mean frisk is the narrator, idk. Does this make frisk evil, I don't think so. What's the red text, could be frisk or Chara. Did Frisk die when the fell, maybe, but probably not.
This theory kinda assumes or suggests that there is something akin to deltarune theorized DEVICE in undertale, I don't have an explanation for that, as far as the game is concerned, you play as a ghost kid, possessing another kid.
Some people have gone their whole lives not doing the toothpaste words project in school and it shows.
What the fuck is toothpaste words project?
WELL LIL TIM TIM, IMMA EDUCATE YOU.
in class, each student was given a bottle of toothpaste, and told to squeeze out every SINGLE DROP OF IT.
Easy right?
Then the teacher says, "okay put it all back in the bottle"
Fucking. Impossible.
So, the only thing the students can do is clean all of the paste off their desk, some have no problem, some struggle.
When the project is done, the teacher drops some knowledge on all the students.
"think of this when speaking or doing certain things to people, cause once it's out there, you cannot take it back.
All you can do is make amends and clean up your mistakes, some will be easy, some will be hard"
That lil Tim Tim.
Is the Toothpaste Words Project.
If America refuses to institute universal healthcare, could we do universal health insurance.
Something like, its a insurance plan that everyone is opted into by default and after paying your deductible, the government would pay for your health care. And the good thing about this would be that, because it's comes from the federal government, every medical institution in the U.S would be in network. So you would never have to worry about needing to pay out of pocket to see a specialist. And if you wanted, you could still get a private insurance, which now has to complete with the state and would hopefully not screw you over as much.
Seems like a good compromise to me
Idea for an Avatars Au (not the blue people)
In this universe in the generations after Korra, the abilities to bend was becoming less and less common to the point only a third of the world population were benders. This was something that people noticed was happening but no one really had a plan for it. The then Avatar tried to do something akin to what avatar Korra did to restore the Air benders but it went horribly wrong. A plague ravaged the land that only affected benders. Most would die, but the few that survived would lose their bending forever. Because of this people blamed the avatar and they were forced to withdraw from the world and were never seen again. But now benders were effectively extinct, and a new avatar never awakened.
Thousands of years later, the Elemental age is ancient history. No new benders or avatars have appeared, and many doubt that humans were ever able to bend the elements. And with no avatar, the spirit world has been cut off and long forgotten. their world is quite similar to ours. Technology stagnated as humanity had to restructure their entire society and economy with no benders.
Then a child was born, and they were quite strange. They often spoke of imaginary friends and monsters they would meet in their dreams, and would sometimes appear in reality. And they felt that they had something important to do but not what it was. This person also had a friend, that was super into history and truly believed that humans once had the power to control the elements and were dead set on proving it to the world. (and maybe unlocking their bending ability too)
One day this person was out with their friend, who dragged them along to look for artifacts of the elemental age. It goes the same as how it goes, mostly nothing with the occasionally scrap that was vaguely hinted to the art of bending. When they get into a dangerous situation that could spell the end for one if not both of them. Coincidentally, the long dormant spirit Ravaa was near by and they felt the very miniscule amount of bender blood within this person and were able to attach themselves to them.
This person immediately activates the avatar state and rescues themselves and their friend with long forgotten elemental power.
A new avatar is born, and Ravaa communicates to them that they must succeed where the previous avatar failed as the world is so unbalanced that it is on the brink of total annihilation.
I just had the weirdest dream.
So I wake up and fall out of my bed. It's bright outside and all the clocks are flashing like they were unplugged. I check the time on my phone and it says it's 1 am. I'm confused as how is bright at 1 am but look and see the apocalypse outside, and not just that but there are super heroes. I walk out of the room I was in and now I'm in some circus\grade ball looking place. Everything is fine inside but it's chaos outside and when people walk past curtains they seem to be vaporized. I here something about the inside being the past and outside being the present or future. I turn and there's a woman welcoming me and she hands me candle, and I have to keep the flame lit like in the one episode of atla, I fail a couple times. Then I'm directed to a platform that feels very video gamey. It starts to move down but stops and I feel like I'm close to waking up, but I stay still at it starts moving again. Then I'm playing a 3rd person vr sonic game that I control with my feet. It's looks like sonic frontiers but on the PS3 and with more colors. And it's actually really fun. After the level it's says it was just a demo and to learn more go to some website. Sisters at work or editors at work or something. Also gooseworx was there voicing pomni in the advertisement.
I'm writing this down because I don't want to forget and also I actually want to play the sonic game again.
Narcissus never ascended to become Nartransssus. Narcissus died incomplete.
Narcissus rejected everyone due to being arrogant about his beauty, and was enamored/feel in love with his reflection at looked at it until he died.
Nartranssus desired love and would take basically anyone, but they felt they were too ugly to love. They avoided their reflection at all cost as they only saw the face of a disgusting monster.
But a god comes along and finds them, sobbing. The god with divine knowledge, knows that the "monster" was just a mask that was forced upon Nartranssus at birth. The god helps them remove the mask, it's agonizingly slow, but the god reassures them that the result is worth it. Eventually the mask comes off, and after some hesitation, Nartranssus sees their true face. And after truly seeing themselves for the first time, they finally know why people like looking at themselves in the mirror.
Wow you saw this in pm Seymour’s server and thought I was @writing-prompt-s huh. Genuinely impressive though keep it up bestie
Narcissus never ascended to become Nartransssus. Narcissus died incomplete.
Narcissus rejected everyone due to being arrogant about his beauty, and was enamored/feel in love with his reflection at looked at it until he died.
Nartranssus desired love and would take basically anyone, but they felt they were too ugly to love. They avoided their reflection at all cost as they only saw the face of a disgusting monster.
But a god comes along and finds them, sobbing. The god with divine knowledge, knows that the "monster" was just a mask that was forced upon Nartranssus at birth. The god helps them remove the mask, it's agonizingly slow, but the god reassures them that the result is worth it. Eventually the mask comes off, and after some hesitation, Nartranssus sees their true face. And after truly seeing themselves for the first time, they finally know why people like looking at themselves in the mirror.